Oh ok. So why would they be afraid?

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If the reason why trans people shouldn't be allowed to use a bathroom is because an unspecified number of children might feel some unspecified level of discomfort, and might ask questions about why a trans person is using a bathroom then that's not a compelling argument.

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Why has no one considered people pretending to be transgender? Some are saying there should be no assumption a transgender is a predator. Under newer rules though how does one stop a true predator from posing as on and doing bad in a bathroom.

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Because that's a retarded argument.

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It's not an argument at all and you used a slur so apologize. I merely wondered how one could stop a determined real predator.

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Elections have consequences.

You know the answer to your question because the logic can be applied to anything. How can we stop a determined murderer?

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I'm all for making all facilities co-ed. Would eliminate all these problems and irrational fears.

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Because young girls would naturally feel uncomfortable sharing facilities with a grown man.

Ask a few of them.

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Seacrest, Juice's comment above basically asked the same thing and was better articulated. I chose to respond to that post. Feel free to read my response.

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That's not an argument, it's a real question that should be considered.

Just ask the Catholic Church. Real predators dressed up as priests for years.

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You keep trying to turn questions and real answers into an argument. Where an argument doesn't exist.

Keep telling people they are retarded while you prattle on about articulation. Feel free to practice what you preach.

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Europe is like that. I don't think I'd like it. I say single rooms.

Ok. Why do we let people who pretend not be murderers murder people. Why aren't we doing anything to protect ourselves from these people? That's a question. Please answer it.

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I'm not one for doing something, usually restricting someone else, in favor of something "the children" might see, that was just an avenue the discussion went down. What about normal people? I guarantee you there are plenty, plenty of people you can find that will say they would be uncomfortable doing their thing with an opposite-sexed transsexual in the same bathroom. Can't they be comfortable, too?

And you know what would solve all of this? Defining bathroom use by sex. Not "gender", not "gender identity", but sex. For ~99% of the human population, sex is unambiguous, even for transsexuals, and thus 99% of the population would know which bathroom was for their use if they knew "men" meant "male sex" and "ladies" meant "female sex". Defining it as the way someone chooses to "present" that day, to the even possible detriment of everyone/anyone else is the height of lunacy and regressive dogma from the left.

That, and let's stop pretending gender dysphoria isn't a psychological condition treatable only by hormones and surgery. Christ, how anyone passes that through their brain matter without questioning it is simultaneously infuriating and terrifying. And yes, I'm saying that the legions of qualified medical professionals that agree with HRT and GRS as a course of treatment are subject to the same societal pressures, and have access to the same echo chambers as the "1 in 5" loons.

We don't fully understand gender dysphoria, and to pretend we've got it all figured out and just have to hack up the sex organs of these people and shame others into letting anyone that "presents" as their sex into bathrooms with them, completely closing off other avenues of treatment and villainizing anyone that asks "what if it's this?" is stupid, and it's a very dangerous mode of thinking.

Everything related to these issues comes down to one fairly simple question: do we treat transgender people like human beings or do we treat them as outcasts? It's not really a lot more complicated than that. Any other discussion points are obviously ancillary.

Edited.

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What exactly is a normal person and why are their comfort levels more valuable than an "abnormal" person? Is a normal person a Christian or a Muslim? If someone has a dependency on alcohol are they normal or abnormal? Who defines what is normal and why? If you're taking the position that a "normal" person's viewpoint should be given precedence surely you can articulate why that should be.

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The terms "human being" and "outcast" in this usage are so obviously biased as to not warrant a response. The real question is "when do we [society at large] mean 'sex' and when do we mean 'gender identity'?" As far as I am aware, gender identity is a new concept--now forced, slammed, and jammed in wherever people please--but when I was raised, and when many people in this country were, as well, the delineation between "men" and "women" was always been based on biological sex, not some self-determined construct that can change from day to day or on how any one person "presents".

No. You're equivocating like a motherfucker. Words having definitions and meanings and the term human being and outcast had no bias there. I meant them as they are intended to be used. The fact that you're in such denial about that simple question and have to try to change definitions of words and phrases speaks volumes to how you view transgender people. I've said on here that I think it's weird as fuck and don't understand it(the idea of being transgender), but not understanding someone's behavior and way of life doesn't somehow preclude you from treating them with respect. Automatically associating them with child molesting predators is probably a terrible way to start a dialogue on this.

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Autism is a fairly new concept. The "fairly new concept" thing is largely irrelevent in context in which you're presenting it - a psychological condition or whatever the appropriate term is. Like I said, all these discussion points are ancillary. Let's start the conversation at the base line of treating transgender people like human beings. Human beings meaning like you and I and anyone else would more or less like to be treated in public. There's no bias in that phrase so probably just drop that dumbass detour of the conversation.

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I think you've just defined abnormal for Spiral Stairs.

Seriously, if the issue is "respect", there are far more people whose feelings are being disrespected by allowing the opposite sex in to their bathroom. Doesn't Spaulding deserve respect too? Nobody is trying to stop a transgendered person from relieving himself/herself.

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Why do you feel that asking a person with a cock to use the men's room and one with a pussy to use the women's is failing to treat anyone like a human being?

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just build a third bathroom, name it "enter at own risk" and be done with it.

This is the question I want to have answered. Unless I missed it most people in this thread have not questioned, dismissed or demanded a transgender not live their life as they see fit. It seemed a pretty clear topic about bathrooms only that of course people complicate. Is it dehumanizing or disrespectful to make the line of when you cross into the opposite rest room when you have your genitals changed rather than the person that just says I feel like a girl/boy this school year?

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It seems pretty obvious to me why trans people feel using a bathroom not aligned with their gender would feel dehumanizing or even dangerous.

If a man dressed as a woman went to a Phillies game and used the men's room they are not exactly going to be welcomed with open arms.

I don't get transgender people, I think it's odd but I also don't give a flying fuck where they want to piss and shit.

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This is an excellent point.

It needs to be taken one step further. What happens if terrorists start pretending to be transgender to blow up bathrooms? What if serial killers start pretending to be transgender to kill people in bathrooms?

The only thing keeping bathrooms safe right now is the fact that it is a small crime to enter if you are of the opposite gender. It's probably impossible to count the number of times that someone said "I want to be a predator but I also don't want to get in trouble for entering a bathroom so I'm going to give up on that goal".

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Maybe trans should do a better job of it so people wouldn't notice them.

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You don't "get them" because they're not normal, so you can drop the pretense that you're not clear on what normal is.

Like you, I don't care where anyone pisses or shits. As long as it's not on my floor or my couch. But there are obviously many people that do care. I see guys in the men's room all the time that piss in a stall, which I find odd. Obviously they have issues pissing at the urinal next to me. I'm sure we have more than one or two members of this form who simply are incapable of shitting in a public restroom. This is a very personal thing. I'll ask again, why is the man wearing a dress entitled to more comfort than Spaulding? And do you really think Spaulding is a bigot because she would be uncomfortable walking into the ladies' room and seeing Sharon Needles with her cock out?

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That's an oversimplification ..nobody is throwing tomatoes at them and beating them in the streets, if you have a dick, stay out of the girls washroom.

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