Your Phillies game thought is a good point. I am not sure I even have a stand on it anyway. I am just bouncing stuff around. At least you called me retarded and are not a sarcastic ass like Brick. Any thoughts on why the special separate bathroom is seen as not a solution?

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"Normal" is set by society though, and that can change over time or be variable among other societies.

At one point, it wasn't normal for women to wear pants or suits either. At one point, it was normal for men to wear long flowing white wigs.

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To Catch a Transgendered Predator...could be a big comeback for Chris Hansen

I'm just gonna take a wild guess that men who think they're women will never be "normal".

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It'll ALWAYS be normal for a man to have a dick.

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Why?

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Yeah, fashion trends throughout history have a lot in common with the mentally Ill and body mutilation.

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Are you ok with plastic surgery and tattoos? Are those people mentally ill?

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Because it would be the effective end of the human race. Ignoring biology doesn't change the fact that it's a fact.

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I would never get plastic surgery, I'm not a fan, tattoos are hardly body mutilation.

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There are societies that have more than two genders though and they seem to avoid annihilation.

It's just like the question "When did you decide that you were straight?". I don't remember ever doing it. It just happened. I also don't ever remember deciding that I identified as a man.

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gay guys have dicks and can readily use the men's room and no one cares.

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Are you ok if other people get plastic surgery?

And yes, tattoos are body mutilation too.

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This isn't about a third and/or fourth gender. This is about people who believe they were assigned the wrong body.

And yeah, I understand you naturally developed into a straight man just like a gay man naturally developed the way he did. You both may have been born that way or familial and societal inputs may have caused you to develop the way you did. Or it could be a combination of both. We don't really know for sure. I understand it wasn't a choice. The fact is, both of you are men, though. If you believe you're something else, you have a problem.

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Why can't that be true?

While it is certainly more extreme, people go to great lengths to "fix" the body they were born with. It may be hair color, or breast size, or nose shape, or even actual birth defects that get "fixed". How we are born is clearly not 100% perfect and we don't question when someone wants to defy genetics to be the person they feel they should be. This is probably the most extreme example of it but it doesn't necessarily make it wrong.

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I'm not sure what you are asking, I wouldn't get plastic surgery, I have no problem with women getting ass or breast implants..I find it unattractive but its their body and they can butcher it how they see fit..but if you have a dick, use the men's room, don't creep the girls out in their restroom..I don't think that's too much to ask.

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Nobody here said it was wrong to dress up like a woman. Nobody cares.

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So then you agree with those that say that being transgender is a choice they make because of a way they feel? Also, in your examples none of those people impose those feelings of their bodies on others i.e. the bathroom. Jorr's question goes unanswered as well. Why is a transgender's feeling more important than Spaulding's?

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Basically, you seem to be requesting a redefinition of the words "man" and "woman".

And I never said it was "wrong". It's just a more extreme example of a mental disorder like cutting. Do you think people get plastic surgery or tattoos because they are 100% mentally healthy and well-adjusted?

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Doing something about it is a choice. I'm not so sure that it is a choice to have feelings that way though. I don't remember ever making the choice that I was a man.
Sure they do. If I was offended by nose jobs would it suddenly become wrong to get one?

Let's use another example here. Let's say that a person was uncomfortable seeing two men kiss in public. Now, I think they should be allowed to kiss in public. That doesn't mean that their feelings are more important. It just means that they have the right to do so even if it makes someone else uncomfortable.

The bathroom situation is similar. Transgendered people need a place to use the bathroom. They are going to use the bathroom in which they identify.

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Everything needs to be safe space except the place were we do our most private business. Modern times!

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Two men kissing in a public space is not likely the same place Spaulding lowers her pants to pee. I think anyway?

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you're a stall peeper aren't you

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I'm going to bounce from the spot for awhile but I will be back at some point to argue with you about this hoops stuff again. Playoffs have been great this season. See ya up the road.

I'm out.

We are talking about gender roles and not just XY chromosomes.

If someone feels that they can better represent their true selves then I say go for it.

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I really dont know what to say about all this.


Maybe we should separate bathrooms by age

It depends how you look at it. It's still a public bathroom.

The answer may be for Spaulding, to avoid being uncomfortable, to instead use the family bathrooms.

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I'm a live and let live guy. I don't care what anyone does as long as it doesn't affect me. But I think Juice's has laid out a good case on why reassignment surgery isn't a great idea. If a man could have his junk lopped off and ride happily off into the sunset as a woman, what kind of monster would disagree with that? Unfortunately, that isn't usually how it works.

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