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PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2016 10:18 pm 
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He knows he's part of the greatest team in history. He'll probably take huge discount just to be a Cub.

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He knows he's part of the greatest team in history. He'll probably take huge discount just to be a Cub.

Which is why we're only talking $30M a year and not $50M a year.

Along with being the greatest pitcher currently in the game going through one of the greatest stretches in the history of the game, he is a .900 OPS hitter in 2016.


And David Ross currently has a higher OBP than Bryce Harper. :shock: :shock:

I know, right!

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He's awesome. I hope he can dominate like this in October


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If this continues, I can't see how he won't ask for 5-7 years at $30M a year. He can say he compares to Kershaw, Grienke and Baumgartner.

Nobody compares to Madbum, sorry.


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If this continues, I can't see how he won't ask for 5-7 years at $30M a year. He can say he compares to Kershaw, Grienke and Baumgartner.

Nobody compares to Madbum, sorry.


Since Arrieta won the Cy Young last season and had better numbers and is now the only pitcher in the N.L. with 4 wins and an ERA below 1.00.....I think it makes more sense to say nobody currently compares to Arrieta.

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If this continues, I can't see how he won't ask for 5-7 years at $30M a year. He can say he compares to Kershaw, Grienke and Baumgartner.

Nobody compares to Madbum, sorry.


Since Arrieta won the Cy Young last season and had better numbers and is now the only pitcher in the N.L. with 4 wins and an ERA below 1.00.....I think it makes more sense to say nobody currently compares to Arrieta.

Compare playoff resumes and get back to me. Last I checked Arrieta didn't do so hot when it really mattered, aside from some silly play-in game.


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If this continues, I can't see how he won't ask for 5-7 years at $30M a year. He can say he compares to Kershaw, Grienke and Baumgartner.

Nobody compares to Madbum, sorry.


Since Arrieta won the Cy Young last season and had better numbers and is now the only pitcher in the N.L. with 4 wins and an ERA below 1.00.....I think it makes more sense to say nobody currently compares to Arrieta.

Compare playoff resumes and get back to me. Last I checked Arrieta didn't do so hot when it really mattered, aside from some silly play-in game.



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Crystal Lake Hoffy wrote:
If this continues, I can't see how he won't ask for 5-7 years at $30M a year. He can say he compares to Kershaw, Grienke and Baumgartner.

Nobody compares to Madbum, sorry.


Since Arrieta won the Cy Young last season and had better numbers and is now the only pitcher in the N.L. with 4 wins and an ERA below 1.00.....I think it makes more sense to say nobody currently compares to Arrieta.

Compare playoff resumes and get back to me. Last I checked Arrieta didn't do so hot when it really mattered, aside from some silly play-in game.

Aside from a single make it or break it game?
Weird.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2016 11:16 pm 
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He did look human against the Cards and Mets.

Hope he can carry the dominance into October


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America wrote:
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America wrote:
Crystal Lake Hoffy wrote:
If this continues, I can't see how he won't ask for 5-7 years at $30M a year. He can say he compares to Kershaw, Grienke and Baumgartner.

Nobody compares to Madbum, sorry.


Since Arrieta won the Cy Young last season and had better numbers and is now the only pitcher in the N.L. with 4 wins and an ERA below 1.00.....I think it makes more sense to say nobody currently compares to Arrieta.

Compare playoff resumes and get back to me. Last I checked Arrieta didn't do so hot when it really mattered, aside from some silly play-in game.


The Wild card was a crucial game. He dominated in it. If they don't win that game, the season would have ended. He dominated. He also won game 3 of the NLDS VS Wacha and the Cardinals. Not as dominant, but good enough to win. By the time he faced the Mets in the NLCS he was out of gas, having gone almost 100 more innings in 2015 than 2014. Over the past year though, there is no doubt, Arrieta has been the best. Period.

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Elmhurst Steve wrote:
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Nobody compares to Madbum, sorry.


Since Arrieta won the Cy Young last season and had better numbers and is now the only pitcher in the N.L. with 4 wins and an ERA below 1.00.....I think it makes more sense to say nobody currently compares to Arrieta.

Compare playoff resumes and get back to me. Last I checked Arrieta didn't do so hot when it really mattered, aside from some silly play-in game.


The Wild card was a crucial game. He dominated in it. If they don't win that game, the season would have ended. He dominated. He also won game 3 of the NLDS VS Wacha and the Cardinals. Not as dominant, but good enough to win. By the time he faced the Mets in the NLCS he was out of gas, having gone almost 100 more innings in 2015 than 2014. Over the past year though, there is no doubt, Arrieta has been the best. Period.

Ever wonder HOW he threw 100 more innings?

The Cubs season ended anyways. No title, no pennant, nobody cares. NL WC PLAY-IN GAME MVP JAKE ARRIETA, doesn't quite match up with what Bumgarner did against the Royals in 2014.


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Are you saying that you have to be on PEDs to go from pitching under 100 innings to pitching close to or over 100 innings?

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America wrote:

Ever wonder HOW he threw 100 more innings?

The Cubs season ended anyways. No title, no pennant, nobody cares. NL WC PLAY-IN GAME MVP JAKE ARRIETA, doesn't quite match up with what Bumgarner did against the Royals in 2014.


2014......I compared what each has done in the past year. I guess you want to go further back in history, because the more recent history does not support your argument. Look at 2015 Jake was better. look at this season, Jake is better.

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America wrote:
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If this continues, I can't see how he won't ask for 5-7 years at $30M a year. He can say he compares to Kershaw, Grienke and Baumgartner.

Nobody compares to Madbum, sorry.


Since Arrieta won the Cy Young last season and had better numbers and is now the only pitcher in the N.L. with 4 wins and an ERA below 1.00.....I think it makes more sense to say nobody currently compares to Arrieta.

Compare playoff resumes and get back to me. Last I checked Arrieta didn't do so hot when it really mattered, aside from some silly play-in game.

You're out last hope America. God bless you and godspeed.

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Wasn't the hang-up this Spring the years offered?

I believe he wanted 7 and the Cub don't want to go past 6.


I think Boras' last quote is that every Cy Young of recent vintage has gotten no less than 7 years

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Wasn't the hang-up this Spring the years offered?

I believe he wanted 7 and the Cub don't want to go past 6.

:lol: I love pro athletes. As if that last year is the difference between a worry free retirement and living paycheck to paycheck.


I'm not hacking on you specifically but I love ham and egger fans who don't understand the value of 30 million extra dollars.

View it from this perspective: if its no big deal, than the organization is the side that is in the superior position to absorb the cost. I really don't even fault a player for fighting for an extra million. That is a lot of money.

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I say Ricketts goes and talks to Jake 1 on 1 without the agents and cuts a deal!


I wouldn't trust Ricketts to win that negotiation.

JR, which is who you are referencing, negotiates like that for sport.

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No negotiating will take place until this season has ended as agreed upon by the Cubs and Arrieta's agent. So this thread is pointless till then. Just let the season play out and then it can begin.

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No negotiating will take place until this season has ended as agreed upon by the Cubs and Arrieta's agent. So this thread is pointless till then. Just let the season play out and then it can begin.

Jake Arrieta will have a World Series Wins clause in his contract. He has every reason to want to get the contract done now.

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No negotiating will take place until this season has ended as agreed upon by the Cubs and Arrieta's agent. So this thread is pointless till then. Just let the season play out and then it can begin.

You understand I'm not Scott Boras or Theo right?

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No negotiating will take place until this season has ended as agreed upon by the Cubs and Arrieta's agent. So this thread is pointless till then. Just let the season play out and then it can begin.

You understand I'm not Scott Boras or Theo right?


No, you are the guy from Chicago's Best

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I'd milk him for this year and next, and then let some other sucker give him the $200 million.


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I'd milk him for this year and next, and then let some other sucker give him the $200 million.





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I'd milk him for this year and next, and then let some other sucker give him the $200 million.


Agreed


I can see waiting till the end of next season. but if he has 3 straight season's like last year and what he has done so far in 2016, of course I want them to retain him. He's the kind of dominant pitcher that can help win championships. If it means a couple years at the end of a deal that you wind up regretting, it's okay if before those years come you win titles. But waiting till the end of 2017....I wouldn't consider that foolish. Risky, because Boras will surely be looking to break the bank by shopping him to all teams, but not foolish, in that it mitigates concerns about injury and decline.

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The possible injury scenario is why I'd be interested in signing a long term deal sooner rather than later if I'm Arrieta. Guaranteed 5/150 security would be pretty nice instead of risking injury or shitty performance hurting me 2 years from now .

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The possible injury scenario is why I'd be interested in signing a long term deal sooner rather than later if I'm Arrieta. Guaranteed 5/150 security would be pretty nice instead of risking injury or shitty performance hurting me 2 years from now .


That's reasonable and why guys like Scottie Pippen made less in his career than he could have. Boras loves to have his players get to free agency and drive the price up to the max. Get teams in a bidding frenzy that gets out of control. 150 million should be enough for several lifetimes, so why the need for another 50 or more? But most guys always want just a little bit more....

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