I'm probably doing this wrong...

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Congrats to CSFMB for getting media to finally discuss the Arrieta PEDs connection:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/co ... /83551730/

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q= ... TrjgEnUuhg

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Somewhere Right now, Beardown is smiling...

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It was something I took notice of too. Not the first time a discussion here was followed by an article in the paper.

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Where there is smoke there is fire. If a player's name appears in the same headline as "PEDs" that about wraps it up. That other major leaguers around the game think he's on roids? To deny it now would be like denying gravity.

Now that he has come out against it, he is 100% clean as per the Frank Thomas rule.


Unless it's possible for a player to say they are against it but still use PEDs

too much pot killing the brain cells RPB.

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Ever tried to make fire with a bow saw? lots of times you can produce smoke without producing an ember capable of starting a fire. If the wood is too wet, you can produce lots of smoke, but never produce a fire. So sometimes where there is smoke, there is no fire. this is one of those times. Jake has stated that he considers it a compliment that some players suspect he might be juicing, because they cannot fathom his level of performance. I will choose to just accept Sox fan's baseless accusations compliments to Jake as well.

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God you're an asshole

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I'm going to bounce from the spot for awhile but I will be back at some point to argue with you about this hoops stuff again. Playoffs have been great this season. See ya up the road.

I'm out.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Definitely possible for players to say they are against it but still use. No doubt.

Difference between Thomas and Arrieta is that Hurt never got accused of PED use by other players.

Oh, I doubt that's the case. But either way. I dont care what they take.

Uh, no

And your issue would be with the Sox fans who use "he was always against steroids" as proof of Frank's innocence.

Its probably not pot though, Sox fans are more into Meth from what I hear.

Frank was the first and only loud proponent of steroid testing amongst the players. The MLPA wanted him to shut it. People called him a whiner. He was not accused of using PEDs in any way. There was no circumstantial evidence against him. He was under no pressure to do/say anything. Making a big scene at the time did him absolutely no good in an environment in love with Sammy and McGwire, etc.

But of course it could have been yet another intricate ruse by that known diabolical genius Frank Thomas. He always had the media and fans wrapped around his finger with his smooth talking ways.

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And why was Frank so angry about steroid use?

"I probably lost more than anybody else in that steroid era,'' says Thomas, a two-time MVP. "I could have had more MVPs, bigger contracts, things that I deserved.''

A true baseball patriot.

Nobody ever said Frank wasn't selfish, just that he wasn't a juicer.

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Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Matthew, Tulsi, and Don

my point exactly. a complete moron and you people think he masterminded this intricate plot to prove he wasn't on steroids.

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Is Chris Sale on PED's


No

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I have no idea how Chris Sale has stayed healthy, but I dont know many steroids users who are over 6'6 and weigh like 175 lbs. My Sox pick for roids user is old Melkeroo who's back to his San Francisco Giants ways.

There is no doubt Frank would have had at least one more MVP

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Roids don't necessarily make you bigger. For example...Roger Clemens, and others, were able to be workout fiends when their bodies should have been wearing down. He was able to keep his muscle mass and keep his healing factors running at a higher than natural level. He was able to pitch at an extremely high level and maintain the workload of a much younger bodied pitcher. Steroids allowed him to avoid breaking down and accelerated his recovery between starts.

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Roger Clemens was a monster.

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Well, that was the original use of steroids, for recovery from injury. So recovery from muscle stress would be aided, so using them might make sense if they were not tested so often. I don't blame any athlete that wants to give themselves and their team a better chance for success by whatever means. If it's eating right, exercise programs, better sleep, sensory deprivation chambers, sports therapists or steroids/ HGH use. But you don't see guys hitting 50 homers commonly anymore. Nor do we see 40 year old pitchers dominating regularly. Because the testing is regular enough.

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We do see a player who couldnt hack it for the Orioles turn his entire career around at age 30, go on an historic run of dominance and then get accused by other MLB players of PED use. Dont have to be Sherlock fucking Holmes to get to the bottom of this mystery.

No, you just need to see that Chris Bosio changed his delivery and he was dominant in 2014, his first season with the Cubs as a result. s soon as he made the changes in his delivery, he was able to consistently locate his pitches better. he always had great stuff. He just lacked command. He's just continued to dominate and get better over his time with the Cubs and Bosio. Hammel has had far greater success with the Cubs than elsewhere too. He too is pitching at a level this season that he has never been at before. He was very good in the first half of 2014 and 2015, competing for a spot on the All-Star team many believed. But he has never been as good as this year previously. Maybe you should accuse him of being on the juice too.

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Sure there was. He was a lot better than his peers.

That is the same circumstantial evidence against Arrieta.

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"IF" you were right, that would be a first and I am also sure the line to get whatever he is taking would be longer than a free big mac day downtown Chicago.

Would also then wonder why Jake isnt throwing 100 MPH? or even above 95 this year. His starts this year have shown a decrease in speed? I am aware pure velocity is not the only thing that makes a pitcher, but if he has this new strength, why wouldnt he be throwing harder...or is that part of the conspiracy?

His out pitches are result of movement. Sinker, Slider, Curve. His fastball just isnt his primary out pitch, but one would think a guy using should be throwing harder?

http://www.fangraphs.com/pitchfxo.aspx?playerid=4153&position=P&pitch=SI

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“Been that way since one monkey looked at the sun and told the other monkey ‘He said for you to give me your fuckin’ share.’”

Accusations by other MLB players is not circumstantial evidence.

His velocity increased across the board when he came to the Cubs. It's one of the most compelling reasons to suspect his PED use.