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And you can lay off talking about physical appearance. We met, remember? You said (oddly) that I was the only one that "wore a jock" which you meant as a compliment. (little gay, but I dont judge)

and you're not even the old guy you play on this board. People here think you're like 80

So just chill the fuck out, Walt

So we agree there was no major velocity spike. I don't get it, your point is he now over throws a curve ball?

Arrieta minimum velocities:

Season Pitch minVel
2013 FA 86.4
2014 FA 89.9
2015 FA 90
2016 FA 91.2

Pitch minVel
2013 SL 79.2
2014 SL 84.5
2015 SL 82.9
2016 SL 85.8

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Turd knows Arietta is right handed. Everyone reading that knows what he meant.

Between this and your complete misunderstanding of Mully and Kasper's discussion, Im starting to worry about you.[/quote]
their discussion did not included that it was that it was the best trade in baseball???? How much money you have Short Round? You didn't even hear it did you?[/quote]
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And you can lay off talking about physical appearance. We met, remember? You said (oddly) that I was the only one that "wore a jock" which you meant as a compliment. (little gay, but I dont judge)

and you're not even the old guy you play on this board. People here think you're like 80

So just chill the fuck out, Walt[/quote]
sensitive

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slider max velocities.

Season Pitch maxVel
2010 SL 89.6
2011 SL 90.5
2012 SL 92.4
2013 SL 92.2
2014 SL 93
2015 SL 95.5

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[
Arrieta has actually seen an uptick in velocity with the Cubs. His fastball velocity jumped about 1 mph. He's throwing his cutter about 3 mph harder than his slider in Baltimore. And even his curveball has seen a 2 mph bump. Cutters tend to be late-career pitch additions, so it is interesting to see Arrieta add the pitch in his late-20s and also still see an increase in his velocity across the board. Perhaps that won't continue. But for at least one season, Arrieta pitched better than he ever did in Baltimore -- by far.[/quote]

So the article I posted had him sitting between 92-98... When will i see this uptick and a 99-100 mph fastball. Everything I have ever seen said mid 90's fastball. That is still what he is at.

And big surprise his cutter is 3MPH faster than the slider, its a different fucking pitch.[/quote]
no shit[/quote]

So we agree there was no major velocity spike. I don't get it, your point is he now over throws a curve ball?[/quote]
what then is Hatchetman posting

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So the article I posted had him sitting between 92-98... When will i see this uptick and a 99-100 mph fastball. Everything I have ever seen said mid 90's fastball. That is still what he is at.

And big surprise his cutter is 3MPH faster than the slider, its a different fucking pitch.[/quote]
no shit[/quote]

So we agree there was no major velocity spike. I don't get it, your point is he now over throws a curve ball?[/quote]
what then is Hatchetman posting[/quote]

Cherry picked stats to make it appear he is roided up. I'll post some counters.

So you are going to cherry pick some different stats?

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Here are Jakes min, max, and average fastball while in the majors. Screw the min/max values for small sample size or a hot gun. I'm basing everything off the last column, average velocity. I don't see the smoking gun for him that you want. The only pitch that increased in velocity the year he became a cub was slider. Everything else was +/- 1 MPH per year. That doesn't seem like a PED bump.

Season Pitch Pitches minVel maxVel Vel
2010 FA 543 87.4 96.3 92.8
2011 FA 911 87.4 95.5 92.3
2012 FA 661 87.7 96 93.3
2013 FA 357 86.4 96.4 93.7
2014 FA 519 89.9 95.8 93.4
2015 FA 537 90 97.2 94.4
2016 FA 111 91.2 95.9 93.9
Total FA 3639 86.4 97.2 93.2

His curve ball with the Cubs has averaged within 1 MPH of his 2013.
Season Pitch Pitches minVel maxVel Vel
2010 CU 250 72.1 82 76.6
2011 CU 323 73.4 81.2 77.5
2012 CU 311 73.4 82.8 78.6
2013 CU 190 77 83.2 80.2
2014 CU 429 75.8 83.1 79.1
2015 CU 531 76.3 88.3 80.7
2016 CU 47 78.2 86.5 80.8
Total CU 2081 72.1 88.3 79

His slider saw the biggest increase of 2MPH.
Season Pitch Pitches minVel maxVel Vel
2010 SL 225 79.3 89.6 84.6
2011 SL 333 81.4 90.5 86
2012 SL 291 82 92.4 87.4
2013 SL 174 79.2 92.2 88.3
2014 SL 699 84.5 93 89.3
2015 SL 989 82.9 95.5 90.3
2016 SL 95 85.8 92.1 88.8
Total SL 2806 79.2 95.5 88.6

no shit[/quote]

So we agree there was no major velocity spike. I don't get it, your point is he now over throws a curve ball?[/quote]
what then is Hatchetman posting[/quote]

Cherry picked stats to make it appear he is roided up. I'll post some counters.[/quote]
so figures don't lie but liars can figure

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Perhaps giving a larger sample size that his fastest and slowest pitch each year, yes.

This is stupid. Players all over have agreed that since Arrieta's rookie year, he has had exceptional stuff and his fastball has REMAINED in the mid 90's. The major change has only been in his ability to command his pitches. That happened when Bosio altered his delivery.

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So... the answer is yes, right? After hearing both arguments for 10+ pages here, it would take a jury like 7 minutes to bring back a guilty verdict.

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his slider went from 85 in 2010-11 to 90 in 2014-15.

The only other guy to accomplish anything like that in the past decade is Kershaw. 150 or so guys in sample set.

2 did it.

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The answer is "Case dismissed due to a total lack of credible evidence".

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he is larger than any bearded pro wrestler in history.

he hits 450 foot home runs.

all totally normal.

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You're right. What is less than circumstantial?

Inadmissible? Non-existent?

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Boy you Saber-nerds got me fucked up......is Hatchet or Turd right or does IMU or RPB have other stats

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Yeah, Turd Ferguson did make a compelling case by posting all of these stats that indicate that his velocity went up on just about every pitch. His strong argument in agreement with Hatchetman basically locked it down for me.

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Educate yourself: http://ftw.usatoday.com/2015/08/chicago ... rioles-mlb

Are you accusing Kershaw of steroids as well? Damn. Spray to all fields.

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I was never a pitcher, but I believe its typically not a max effort pitch. You throw it toward effectiveness. Also it could be explained by our very own Walt's link where he stated he quoted a Baltimore message board saying he added a cut fastball with the cubs. The cutter is thrown at a speed between a slider and fast ball. PitchFX may counting those as sliders, there isn't a category for cut fastball.

Hey Turd,
Can you post the pitchfx of a pitcher you think did start using steroids?

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you know any of these things in isolation you can explain away. eveybody was coming up with excuses for why guys were all of a sudden hitting 60 homers too.

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Well, there is. But folks cannot agree on slider versus cutter.

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I don't its up for debate that he is improved on the Cubs. I also don't think adding or subtracting 1 MPH a year is earth shattering. The offseason isn't there where he packed on 30 pounds of muscle and added 4MPH to his fastball. Not sure what more you want.

didn't Sale pitch a gem last night

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if you see the needle prick, you must convict

I was busy watching the team with the best record in Baseball win yet again. But I saw where they won and Sale gave up 1 earned run on 4 hits through 8 innings. Like the Sox are 2nd to the Cubs in record, attendance and popularity, Sale is just not quite up to Arrieta's level. But 2nd best is just what you have to settle for....

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They did not have the best record in baseball when you were watching them yesterday.

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