Until it isn't!

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2016/04/26/junior-doctors-england-stage-historic-strike/83532684/

I'm sure our government would manage it must better, just like they do with education!

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BCBS is awesome. Was in the hospital for 3 days with shingles...bill was over 16 grand and we paid 500 OOP.

Success!

And who gives a shit about doctors in England striking?

More good stuff from Great Britain's government:

http://www.iflscience.com/editors-blog/ ... r-research

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and thats how it should work! You pay in, you get covered and get good care.

Even if you cant pay in, you can do something...clean the bathrooms at the park!

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2k/yr from 200 million people... if we all paid into a non-profit government insurance pool instead of a for-profit free market like we do now, there would be 400 bil to spend every year. thats $412k/yr per EVERY DOCTOR in the us. sure, they have supply costs and overheads but i think they could manage

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The young didn't sign up n providers bailed, everyone I know with obamacare loved it for the first year til all the providers bailed.

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The vast majority like the healthcare system. Pointing out that that it is not perfect and saying see doesn't work! Not and especially effective argument.

As for education, universal government led education has been a bad thing? When did this happen?

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We gonna do this now?

The system is failing and being mismanaged and no one is happy about it.

The doctors strike is just a symptom.

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It's more than not perfect. It has serious issues long term and ironically one of the major thoughts is that private insurance is going to have to be much more of a focus there.
Our world rankings also suck with that and the system is pretty mismanaged.

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My understanding is the strike is part and parcel of a reaction by folks in the medical field who find themselves feeling disconcerted because of an apparent significant push to privatize the system ... what better way that to destroy the existing infrastructure than by underpaying and understaffing, point to what a grand failure it is, sell it off for a profit, and hooray.

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somebody explain to me how we set up an insurance plan that people don't have to join until they need major medical care.

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That would be one way to look at it though it seems to be a convenient excuse.

The result is still the same though.

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IDK but I am presently waiting to buy car insurance until after I wreck my car.

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The problem is that the bill should not have been $16k to begin with...it's that high because "insurance pays for it."

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View it like the list price at Kohls.

That may be the price but no one is paying it.

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Do you want private healthcare where the company tells you what will and will not cover with zero input from you
or do you want government run healthcare, where you (I'll say it -supposedly) can have your voice heard by voting out anyone who tries to limit coverage?

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Exactly

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Yeah, "voting out" for specific issues happens all the time.

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I'm genuinely curious. How did shingles necessitate a three day stay in the hospital?

I also wonder how much of the $16K was (really) to cover the sales & marketing costs of healthcare, pharma, etc.. Given that much more private $$$ is spent on sales/marketing vs. actual medical research, (since much of the ground level research is funded by the federal govt) I'd kind of like to see this obscene free market issue addressed before we go down this tired, clichéd road again.

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Exactly. On a government run non profit insurance pool, that bill would be 5k and the doctors still get paid the same.

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Was not given an antiviral to start. Big mistake. I had a antibiotic and an antiviral IV going for 3 days. 3rd day I had spots on my chest (diffused shingles) which meant I had to be put in ICU until I was released.. Lots of bloodwork.

I hope you have a good lawer.

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That's why I put the supposedly in there!

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JAMA's (?) recent study claims that now the third highest cause of death is medical malpractice. One of the first things they noted was the misdiagnosis of symptoms, followed by the improper use of antibiotics vs. antiviral drugs. I really hope you have a good lawer.

I guess this study is related to the basis for Seacrest's resuscitation of the anti-vax thread

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We aren't exposed to the actual costs of healthcare, but on the flip side there isn't any genuine competition between insurance companies or healthcare systems as they are all exempt from anti-trust laws. It kind of "is what it is." The ACA doesn't make anything broadly better, either.

On the topic of "limiting" coverage....that's a hallmark of universal healthcare systems, rationing must take place to conserve resources and control costs. Thus you have your waiting (and waiting and waiting) lists for small procedures/tests as well as life or death ones. Plus U.H. systems often times don't get access to the latest drugs or treatments or devices. But they get cheaper drug costs on the whole.

Pro's and Con's to weigh.

I'm sure there is a hybrid system that would actually make sense and benefit the people as a whole but that will be sometime down the line.

Read yesterday Allen West thought the big ACA bombshell comes end of October in skyrocketing premium hikes.

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If nothing else, the ACA should have made the public angrier about the plain collusion between insurance companies & health care systems, but it didn't do that either.

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Public is too worried about what bathroom someone chooses to piss in to be concerned with trivial stuff like the cost of their healthcare. People are dumb.

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That's an excellent point, problem was that the ACA itself was shrouded in bullshit, obfuscated and hustled through Congress in a criminal way. We were told we wouldn't know what was in it until it passed. The time to be pissed was before the law was passed, but rational voices were drowned out by the Republicans and brow beaten by Democrats. It's all plain as day now....but it's here and isn't going anywhere.

The abridged version is 925 pages or thereabouts. I've tried to read it when I fly for work...no go.