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PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 6:54 pm 
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btw he had a former star us attorney on his team. at least one.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 7:00 pm 
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I hope this cocksucker takes it up the ass every day in prison.


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Wow...the victim that was extorting money from him is now suing for the balance he hasn't received yet!

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The ends justify the means, a pervert and hypocritical pos was exposed and publicly shamed.


Damn right.


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I hope this cocksucker takes it up the ass every day in prison.

I'm not sure Denny would consider that a "punishment".

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 11:23 pm 
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I hope this cocksucker takes it up the ass every day in prison.

I'm not sure Denny would consider that a "punishment".


Yea, I assumed that he was a giver not a taker.


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talk about judicial overreach. poor guy. maybe Hillary can give him a pardon.

Hillary can't give him a hardon--he likes guys. It's kind of cool of you to consider that, though.

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I'm just glad this guy ain't coaching your children in rasslin or you 20 years ago... He's a bad and dangerous man to children..the more people than know the better..agree to disagree.


Disagree all you want. You are wrong.

The means are what makes the US the US


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far be it from me to defend a sexual predator, but the sentence is complete bs for the crime of bank fraud. This isn't getting Al Capone for tax evasion. This is getting Al Capone for jay walking.


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He is being sentenced for lying.

If he had said, I banged kids while I was a teacher and am now paying them off, he would not have been in any trouble.

So you see what the government did: they are bootstrapping the sexual crime onto a rather innocuous crime of lying to an investigator.



312 is not wrong, for once. And Hastert wasn't sentenced for bank fraud either.

Nor was he sentenced for lying.

And prior bad acts are considered in sentencing everyday at 26th and Cal and many other places. Just ask Julie DiCaro.

If he was sentenced for being a child molester, then you would see his conviction overturned. Which we all know won't happen. His prior bad acts were properly considered in his sentencing because they were directly related to the present day crime.

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good dolphin wrote:
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I'm just glad this guy ain't coaching your children in rasslin or you 20 years ago... He's a bad and dangerous man to children..the more people than know the better..agree to disagree.


Disagree all you want. You are wrong.

The means are what makes the US the US


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far be it from me to defend a sexual predator, but the sentence is complete bs for the crime of bank fraud. This isn't getting Al Capone for tax evasion. This is getting Al Capone for jay walking.


good dolphin wrote:
He is being sentenced for lying.

If he had said, I banged kids while I was a teacher and am now paying them off, he would not have been in any trouble.

So you see what the government did: they are bootstrapping the sexual crime onto a rather innocuous crime of lying to an investigator.



312 is not wrong, for once. And Hastert wasn't sentenced for bank fraud either.

Nor was he sentenced for lying.

And prior bad acts are considered in sentencing everyday at 26th and Cal and many other places. Just ask Julie DiCaro.

If he was sentenced for being a child molester, then you would see his conviction overturned. Which we all know won't happen. His prior bad acts were properly considered in his sentencing because they were directly related to the present day crime.


Thanks for the education on sentencing hearings. You seem to think I've argued that the information is not allowable in a sentencing hearing.

Tell us for what crime he was convicted.

His molesting is tangentially related to the crime. If it was directly related to the crime he would have been charged in state court with any number of sexual assault charges. He was not for technical reasons. However the law doesn't ask why he was circumventing the reporting laws, only whether he was intentionally circumventing them. If he was circumventing them to pay for his dying mother's casket, it would not have mattered in whether he broke the law.

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judges should be given moderate discretion in any case. that's why they are judges.

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Seacrest wrote:
312 is not wrong, for once. And Hastert wasn't sentenced for bank fraud either.

Nor was he sentenced for lying.

And prior bad acts are considered in sentencing everyday at 26th and Cal and many other places. Just ask Julie DiCaro.

If he was sentenced for being a child molester, then you would see his conviction overturned. Which we all know won't happen. His prior bad acts were properly considered in his sentencing because they were directly related to the present day crime.


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Thanks for the education on sentencing hearings. You seem to think I've argued that the information is not allowable in a sentencing hearing.

Tell us for what crime he was convicted.

His molesting is tangentially related to the crime. If it was directly related to the crime he would have been charged in state court with any number of sexual assault charges. He was not for technical reasons. However the law doesn't ask why he was circumventing the reporting laws, only whether he was intentionally circumventing them. If he was circumventing them to pay for his dying mother's casket, it would not have mattered in whether he broke the law.


He was convicted for structuring.

His structuring was directly related to his trying to hide his sexual abuse. Which makes the abuse a real event to be considered in his sentencing.

The statute of limitations on the molestation ran out years ago. No technicality there.

The mom's casket reason is not even close to what Hastert did. It's a fallacy of composition rolled into a red herring.

Dennis Hastert marshaled the Patriot Act through the House. He was a major factor in it becoming law.

He knowingly broke that law 106 times. He could have gotten five years. He got 15 months. The actions of the US attorneys office in only asking for six months is inexcusable.

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You tell em crest. problem was US attorney was helping cronies on hasterts legal team.

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You tell em crest. problem was US attorney was helping cronies on hasterts legal team.


The politically connected defending the politically connected,

Blago is the only one in recent memory who didn't use a former US Attorney. Hell, George Ryan used two of them.

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He was convicted for structuring.

His structuring was directly related to his trying to hide his sexual abuse. Which makes the abuse a real event to be considered in his sentencing.



The structuring laws he "marshaled through" were intended to fight terrorism, so the fact that the underlying reason for his structuring had nothing to do with terrorism should have worked in his favor, not the opposite.

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He was convicted for structuring.

His structuring was directly related to his trying to hide his sexual abuse. Which makes the abuse a real event to be considered in his sentencing.



The structuring laws he "marshaled through" were intended to fight terrorism, so the fact that the underlying reason for his structuring had nothing to do with terrorism should have worked in his favor, not the opposite.



The Patriot Act covers more than structuring by terrorists. A fact that should have been known to the guy who actually passed the law.

And a fact that should have been considered and worked against the arrogant SOB who had the temerity to break laws he expected the peasants to follow.

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The Patriot Act covers more than structuring by terrorists. A fact that should have been known to the guy who actually passed the law.

And a fact that should have been considered and worked against the arrogant SOB who had the temerity to break laws he expected the peasants to follow.


It's been my opinion that the structuring laws are bad laws....if Hastert wants to take his own money and throw it into the ocean, that should be his right without having to explain to anyone. It's ironic (and perhaps just) that he was tripped up by his own law, but I'm in agreement with good dolphin on this.

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312 is not wrong, for once. And Hastert wasn't sentenced for bank fraud either.

Nor was he sentenced for lying.

And prior bad acts are considered in sentencing everyday at 26th and Cal and many other places. Just ask Julie DiCaro.

If he was sentenced for being a child molester, then you would see his conviction overturned. Which we all know won't happen. His prior bad acts were properly considered in his sentencing because they were directly related to the present day crime.


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Thanks for the education on sentencing hearings. You seem to think I've argued that the information is not allowable in a sentencing hearing.

Tell us for what crime he was convicted.

His molesting is tangentially related to the crime. If it was directly related to the crime he would have been charged in state court with any number of sexual assault charges. He was not for technical reasons. However the law doesn't ask why he was circumventing the reporting laws, only whether he was intentionally circumventing them. If he was circumventing them to pay for his dying mother's casket, it would not have mattered in whether he broke the law.


He was convicted for structuring.

His structuring was directly related to his trying to hide his sexual abuse. Which makes the abuse a real event to be considered in his sentencing.

The statute of limitations on the molestation ran out years ago. No technicality there.

The mom's casket reason is not even close to what Hastert did. It's a fallacy of composition rolled into a red herring.

Dennis Hastert marshaled the Patriot Act through the House. He was a major factor in it becoming law.

He knowingly broke that law 106 times. He could have gotten five years. He got 15 months. The actions of the US attorneys office in only asking for six months is inexcusable.


1. Statute of limitations most certainly is a technicality: But for the technical point of a statute running, he would have faced charges on the crime.

2. The law does not ask why a person "structures", only if he structured. The reason why is appurtenant, secondary or tangentially related. This is, of course, is the obvious and logical reason for me suggesting innocuous circumstances for the "structure" (the casket) would have been treated differently although the crime is the same.

He knowingly broke the law. I'm perfectly fine with prosecution for that crime. If I thought he received the typical punishment for the crime he committed, you would have no word from me.

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Former speaker was handed down a 15 month prison sentence today for bank fraud related to hush-money he paid to boys he sexually abused as a high school teacher and wrestling coach.

It sickens me that the national media has refused to cover this story at all, even though Hastert was second in line to the Presidency as Speaker and was one of the longest serving Speakers ever. If I remember correctly, it was Hastert that got the Iraqi War resolution passed in the House.

What about interrogating and investigating him during the time he was Speaker? How many boys did he sexually abuse then? I guess we'll never know, cause such an investigation might expose other dirty D.C. politicians.

Another Illinois politician added to the "Wall of Shame" along with Blago, Ryan and Rostenkowski.


far be it from me to defend a sexual predator, but the sentence is complete bs for the crime of bank fraud. This isn't getting Al Capone for tax evasion. This is getting Al Capone for jay walking.


Plus it appeared that the prosecution had proposed 6 months. When these types of laws are used to squeeze the powerless and--more importantly, the innocent--they suck. But when powerful trash like "Coach" gets stung it's hard to argue with the result.

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He was convicted for structuring.

His structuring was directly related to his trying to hide his sexual abuse. Which makes the abuse a real event to be considered in his sentencing.



The structuring laws he "marshaled through" were intended to fight terrorism, so the fact that the underlying reason for his structuring had nothing to do with terrorism should have worked in his favor, not the opposite.





Terrorism? Nah...that's a smoke screen.

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You gotta love liars...I mean Lawyers here defending a POS like Hastert.


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Hopefully there is some "jailhouse justice".

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He will be in some bullshit medical facility, there will be no justice unfortunately.

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Dan Rostenkowski? Don't think he was Speaker. Probably didn't wanna give up being Chairman of House Ways and Means. Speaker would've been a demotion for the Alderman/Congressman in that regard.

Jim Wright end up in jail? or his flunkies took the fall for him.

Spiro Agnew was given the resign and plead guilty or end up in prison choice.


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He will be in some bullshit medical facility, there will be no justice unfortunately.


Yes, for his bullshit medical conditions. The judge should have sentenced him to 10,000 hours of very public, very menial community service.

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He was convicted for structuring.


I'm pretty sure that's incorrect. As dolphin stated above, the conviction was for lying to a federal official.

In any case, the structuring law is being abused here. Not as bad as in this case though:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/05 ... -laws.html

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He was convicted for structuring.


I'm pretty sure that's incorrect. As dolphin stated above, the conviction was for lying to a federal official.

In any case, the structuring law is being abused here. Not as bad as in this case though:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/05 ... -laws.html



It's correct.

The obstruction charges were dropped.

Dolphin was correct when he said you shouldn't lie to the feds. I have two relatives that found out the hard way.

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Is that what happened here?

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Fed max sentence for structuring is five years. what exactly do you have to do to get five years?

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