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 Post subject: Re: Bernie Sanders
PostPosted: Wed May 04, 2016 9:18 am 
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I just didn't like some of the policies of Bernie but you do really have to question him as a person given some of those red flags from earlier in his life.

What red flags are you talking about?
Did you read the article?

Im reading it now but you and I have different ideas on what constitutes a red flag, so I want to know what you are referring to


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 Post subject: Re: Bernie Sanders
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Im reading it now but you and I have different ideas on what constitutes a red flag, so I want to know what you are referring to
I think you'll see when you read the article. You can then tell me if any of the things mentioned are red flags to you too.

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 Post subject: Re: Bernie Sanders
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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Im reading it now but you and I have different ideas on what constitutes a red flag, so I want to know what you are referring to
I think you'll see when you read the article. You can then tell me if any of the things mentioned are red flags to you too.


The American people would hate him. Trump would brand him as Joseph Stalin by election day. Bernie isn't a fighter either.

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 Post subject: Re: Bernie Sanders
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Im reading it now but you and I have different ideas on what constitutes a red flag, so I want to know what you are referring to
I think you'll see when you read the article. You can then tell me if any of the things mentioned are red flags to you too.

Or you could just say what bothers you and makes you question him as a person.

The sexual stuff seems weird. I havent read the article linked to that though. Not sure if that's legit or a huge reach by a Clinton supporter.

Other than that, Im not sure. Are you taking issue with the pro socialist and communist stuff? I mean that's pretty well known, so I dont think its that


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 Post subject: Re: Bernie Sanders
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rogers park bryan wrote:
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Im reading it now but you and I have different ideas on what constitutes a red flag, so I want to know what you are referring to
I think you'll see when you read the article. You can then tell me if any of the things mentioned are red flags to you too.

Or you could just say what bothers you and makes you question him as a person.

The sexual stuff seems weird. I havent read the article linked to that though. Not sure if that's legit or a huge reach by a Clinton supporter.

Other than that, Im not sure. Are you taking issue with the pro socialist and communist stuff? I mean that's pretty well known, so I dont think its that
Well, I guess we have different ideas on what constitutes a red flag then.

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 Post subject: Re: Bernie Sanders
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You're being more difficult than usual.

You said there are red flags that make you question him as a person. Why the problem with listing them?


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 Post subject: Re: Bernie Sanders
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You're being more difficult than usual.

You said there are red flags that make you question him as a person. Why the problem with listing them?
I know how it will go.

I'll say something like "His support and admiration for dictators who are pretty horrible with civil rights" and strongly restrict the freedom of the citizens of the country and then you'll say "Eh, not a big deal".

Then I'd talk about all the strange essays he wrote in the 70s that even anti-vaxxers would look at and laugh about and you'd say "Well, he isn't talking about that now".

But, mostly, it's because you aren't a Bernie supporter either so there really isn't much of a point to it.

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 Post subject: Re: Bernie Sanders
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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You're being more difficult than usual.

You said there are red flags that make you question him as a person. Why the problem with listing them?
I know how it will go.

I'll say something like "His support and admiration for dictators who are pretty horrible with civil rights" and strongly restrict the freedom of the citizens of the country and then you'll say "Eh, not a big deal".

Then I'd talk about all the strange essays he wrote in the 70s that even anti-vaxxers would look at and laugh about and you'd say "Well, he isn't talking about that now".

But, mostly, it's because you aren't a Bernie supporter either so there really isn't much of a point to it.

I support Bernie as a person and Senator, just not for President.

Im sorry that this election cycle has made you afraid to share your opinions.


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 Post subject: Re: Bernie Sanders
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Im sorry that this election cycle has made you afraid to share your opinions.
Honestly, if his support and admiration for dictators and human rights abusers is not a red flag to you then clearly you are not going to accept anything I say about him.

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 Post subject: Re: Bernie Sanders
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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Im sorry that this election cycle has made you afraid to share your opinions.
Honestly, if his support and admiration for dictators and human rights abusers is not a red flag to you then clearly you are not going to accept anything I say about him.


It's the one thing I don't like about him - his foreign policy is no different that any other wonk in DC.

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 Post subject: Re: Bernie Sanders
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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Im sorry that this election cycle has made you afraid to share your opinions.
Honestly, if his support and admiration for dictators and human rights abusers is not a red flag to you then clearly you are not going to accept anything I say about him.





Still grinding that axe I see, name ANY politician and I will show you an article supporting a foreign scumbag.

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 Post subject: Re: Bernie Sanders
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Im sorry that this election cycle has made you afraid to share your opinions.
Honestly, if his support and admiration for dictators and human rights abusers is not a red flag to you then clearly you are not going to accept anything I say about him.


He's a communist at heart.

Big fan of death squads and totalitarianism.


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 Post subject: Re: Bernie Sanders
PostPosted: Wed May 04, 2016 10:02 am 
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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Im sorry that this election cycle has made you afraid to share your opinions.
Honestly, if his support and admiration for dictators and human rights abusers is not a red flag to you then clearly you are not going to accept anything I say about him.

Im pretty open to people's ideas. Im not quick to dismiss.

I do not endorse dictators that abuse human rights. If Bernie is saying or said that, then I disagree with him.

If he's just endorsing certain economic policies of those dictators while acknowledging the human rights issues, that's a different story.


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 Post subject: Re: Bernie Sanders
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rogers park bryan wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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Im sorry that this election cycle has made you afraid to share your opinions.
Honestly, if his support and admiration for dictators and human rights abusers is not a red flag to you then clearly you are not going to accept anything I say about him.

Im pretty open to people's ideas. Im not quick to dismiss.

I do not endorse dictators that abuse human rights. If Bernie is saying or said that, then I disagree with him.

If he's just endorsing certain economic policies of those dictators while acknowledging the human rights issues, that's a different story.
:lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Bernie Sanders
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rogers park bryan wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Im sorry that this election cycle has made you afraid to share your opinions.
Honestly, if his support and admiration for dictators and human rights abusers is not a red flag to you then clearly you are not going to accept anything I say about him.

Im pretty open to people's ideas. Im not quick to dismiss.

I do not endorse dictators that abuse human rights. If Bernie is saying or said that, then I disagree with him.

If he's just endorsing certain economic policies of those dictators while acknowledging the human rights issues, that's a different story.


I don't think you can draw that distinction, though. Often times those economic policies and human rights/social policies are linked.

You can't admire Stalin for his countless failed 5 year plans and then ignore the catastrophic damage they did to his people.


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 Post subject: Re: Bernie Sanders
PostPosted: Wed May 04, 2016 10:11 am 
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SomeGuy wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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Im sorry that this election cycle has made you afraid to share your opinions.
Honestly, if his support and admiration for dictators and human rights abusers is not a red flag to you then clearly you are not going to accept anything I say about him.

Im pretty open to people's ideas. Im not quick to dismiss.

I do not endorse dictators that abuse human rights. If Bernie is saying or said that, then I disagree with him.

If he's just endorsing certain economic policies of those dictators while acknowledging the human rights issues, that's a different story.


I don't think you can draw that distinction, though. Often times those economic policies and human rights/social policies are linked.

You can't admire Stalin for his countless failed 5 year plans and then ignore the catastrophic damage they did to his people.

Nice response.

Im not sure he's actually praising dictators though. That article said young people in China and Cuba, I didnt take that to mean the people running the country.


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 Post subject: Re: Bernie Sanders
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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Im sorry that this election cycle has made you afraid to share your opinions.
Honestly, if his support and admiration for dictators and human rights abusers is not a red flag to you then clearly you are not going to accept anything I say about him.

Im pretty open to people's ideas. Im not quick to dismiss.

I do not endorse dictators that abuse human rights. If Bernie is saying or said that, then I disagree with him.

If he's just endorsing certain economic policies of those dictators while acknowledging the human rights issues, that's a different story.
:lol:

:lol: Yea, see you are the dismissive one. Dont project your issues on to me please.

See Someguy's post for a rational response to what I said.


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 Post subject: Re: Bernie Sanders
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Im sorry that this election cycle has made you afraid to share your opinions.
Honestly, if his support and admiration for dictators and human rights abusers is not a red flag to you then clearly you are not going to accept anything I say about him.


It's the one thing I don't like about him - his foreign policy is no different that any other wonk in DC.



Actually, it's quite a bit different than Clinton's. Here's a good article:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... story.html

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 Post subject: Re: Bernie Sanders
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Im not sure he's actually praising dictators though. That article said young people in China and Cuba, I didnt take that to mean the people running the country.
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/272485-sanders-defends-past-praise-of-fidel-castro
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wl-BV8vrLDU
https://www.buzzfeed.com/meganapper/sanders-in-1985-sandinista-leader-impressive-castro-totally?utm_term=.rg032M3W0#.caWOlNO26

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 Post subject: Re: Bernie Sanders
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:lol: Yea, see you are the dismissive one. Dont project your issues on to me please.

See Someguy's post for a rational response to what I said.
I laughed because you did exactly what I predicted.

Yeah, he praised ruthless dictators guilty of major human rights violations, but he was only praising the GOOD things they do. :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Bernie Sanders
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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:lol: Yea, see you are the dismissive one. Dont project your issues on to me please.

See Someguy's post for a rational response to what I said.
I laughed because you did exactly what I predicted.

Yeah, he praised ruthless dictators guilty of major human rights violations, but he was only praising the GOOD things they do. :lol:

That's not what you said. You said Id say "eh, no big deal"

Not close. I literally said that I completely disagree with him if he supports dictators. If on the other hand, he said that socialism is not a bad word, I wouldnt rake him over the coals and act like he's supporting Stalin.

You posted the smilie, as you often do, to appear like you won or have some sort of upper hand. You didnt and you dont. You do lead the board in non sensical smilies, though.


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 Post subject: Re: Bernie Sanders
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Im not sure he's actually praising dictators though. That article said young people in China and Cuba, I didnt take that to mean the people running the country.
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/272485-sanders-defends-past-praise-of-fidel-castro
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wl-BV8vrLDU
https://www.buzzfeed.com/meganapper/sanders-in-1985-sandinista-leader-impressive-castro-totally?utm_term=.rg032M3W0#.caWOlNO26

So after all that, you answer the original very simple question.

Yes, that is concerning.

See how easy that was?


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 Post subject: Re: Bernie Sanders
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Rick is full of shit.

http://m.democracynow.org/stories/16061

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 Post subject: Re: Bernie Sanders
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rogers park bryan wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Im not sure he's actually praising dictators though. That article said young people in China and Cuba, I didnt take that to mean the people running the country.
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/272485-sanders-defends-past-praise-of-fidel-castro
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wl-BV8vrLDU
https://www.buzzfeed.com/meganapper/sanders-in-1985-sandinista-leader-impressive-castro-totally?utm_term=.rg032M3W0#.caWOlNO26

So after all that, you answer the original very simple question.

Yes, that is concerning.

See how easy that was?
Could have been even easier if you had just accepted my answer at the start.

Though, we agree now so it's all good!

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What is so funny? Your girl supports some of the most brutal dictators in the world-√ fact

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What is so funny? Your girl supports some of the most brutal dictators in the world-√ fact


It's un-American to call Obama a brutal dictator.


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What is so funny? Your girl supports some of the most brutal dictators in the world-√ fact
Because she won't boycott Israel?

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 Post subject: Re: Bernie Sanders
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Hillary has a bigger lead than Trump buy Bernie still won't drop out. He clearly supports Trump.

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It's going to be a woman or Christie.

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