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No one is saying the Cubs should be able to do whatever they want. it is not like they are doing anything illegal to expand. Property is for sale, they buy it and expand. They have every right to do that.


That isn't what they're doing though. It's more like your next door neighbor demanding to open a beer garden in his backyard. I'm sure you wouldn't like that.

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Cubs are asking for a liquor license like 50 times the size of the next largest handed out by the city. They are asking to do whatever they want no doubt about it.


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RFDC wrote:
No one is saying the Cubs should be able to do whatever they want. it is not like they are doing anything illegal to expand. Property is for sale, they buy it and expand. They have every right to do that.
The locals also have the right to object to things they are doing if they feel they are not or shouldn't be allowed to do it.

The Cubs are the ones attempting to do something they were not previously allowed to do. Why are we mad at the neighbors for fighting it?

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PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2016 2:22 pm 
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The Ricketts family has done more in the past several years to improve that area than anyone by far.


Improve it for who? Douchebags from Winnetka?

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No one is saying the Cubs should be able to do whatever they want. it is not like they are doing anything illegal to expand. Property is for sale, they buy it and expand. They have every right to do that.
The locals also have the right to object to things they are doing if they feel they are not or shouldn't be allowed to do it.

The Cubs are the ones attempting to do something they were not previously allowed to do. Why are we mad at the neighbors for fighting it?

Do we know the neighbors are fighting it? Or is an alderman fighting on behalf of small number of constituents who happen to be tavern owners?


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I need a clarification. Are we talking about the real neighbors that live there? Like a little down the street? Or are these the commercial enterprises immediately surrounding the park that compete with the Cubs for beer and merchandise sales?

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Cubs are asking for a liquor license like 50 times the size of the next largest handed out by the city. They are asking to do whatever they want no doubt about it.
Maybe they're just trying to outdraw the Sox again.

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Kirkwood wrote:
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RFDC wrote:
No one is saying the Cubs should be able to do whatever they want. it is not like they are doing anything illegal to expand. Property is for sale, they buy it and expand. They have every right to do that.
The locals also have the right to object to things they are doing if they feel they are not or shouldn't be allowed to do it.

The Cubs are the ones attempting to do something they were not previously allowed to do. Why are we mad at the neighbors for fighting it?

Do we know the neighbors are fighting it? Or is an alderman fighting on behalf of small number of constituents who happen to be tavern owners?


Do you feel wealthier people should have more votes?

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Kirkwood wrote:
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RFDC wrote:
No one is saying the Cubs should be able to do whatever they want. it is not like they are doing anything illegal to expand. Property is for sale, they buy it and expand. They have every right to do that.
The locals also have the right to object to things they are doing if they feel they are not or shouldn't be allowed to do it.

The Cubs are the ones attempting to do something they were not previously allowed to do. Why are we mad at the neighbors for fighting it?

Do we know the neighbors are fighting it? Or is an alderman fighting on behalf of small number of constituents who happen to be tavern owners?
Does it matter?

They all get a voice. Let the city sort out who they will side with(It will be the Cubs because they are rich).

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I need a clarification. Are we talking about the real neighbors that live there? Like a little down the street? Or are these the commercial enterprises immediately surrounding the park that compete with the Cubs for beer and merchandise sales?


What difference does that make?

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Poor Joan Cusack. She didn't sign up for this .

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I need a clarification. Are we talking about the real neighbors that live there? Like a little down the street? Or are these the commercial enterprises immediately surrounding the park that compete with the Cubs for beer and merchandise sales?


What difference does that make?



I have more sympathy for people living their being against expansion then the owner of bar x, y or z just losing money.

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pittmike wrote:
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I need a clarification. Are we talking about the real neighbors that live there? Like a little down the street? Or are these the commercial enterprises immediately surrounding the park that compete with the Cubs for beer and merchandise sales?


What difference does that make?



I have more sympathy for people living their being against expansion then the owner of bar x, y or z just losing money.


Eventually, the richest guy will own everything. That's where we're headed.

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Can you guys wait to soak up those wonderful, summertime laid back vibes at Wrigley? Why you'll be taken back to the innocence of childhood as you step around puddles of vomit while douchebags grab your girlfriend's ass under the glow of the WINTRUST sign.


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I like the new faux-old time facade they've put on the park. Nostalgia for something that never was.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
The difference here with the "You moved there and deal with it" is that when a lot of these people moved there Wrigley was just a baseball stadium and not a massive multipurpose complex that extends far beyond the walls of the stadium.


What a bunch of horse shit. How many people still live in the neighborhood that were there before the rooftops became big business? The area's bars and rooftops have combined with the stadium to make a massive multipurpose complex that has been operating for decades.

Now the Cubs want to maximize revenue by making some cool enhancements to the neighborhood...including a hotel? Fucking awesome!

Fuck Tunney and the other assholes that have spent decades trying to block shit from happening.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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I need a clarification. Are we talking about the real neighbors that live there? Like a little down the street? Or are these the commercial enterprises immediately surrounding the park that compete with the Cubs for beer and merchandise sales?


What difference does that make?



I have more sympathy for people living their being against expansion then the owner of bar x, y or z just losing money.


Eventually, the richest guy will own everything. That's where we're headed.

Cry me a river. If a business offers a good product with a fair price they'll be fine.

Why isn't Wrigley at full capacity 2 hours before 1st pitch? It's open and they serve beer!

No one is forcing people to go to the plaza to drink beer or eat food.

All this crying is too much.


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Can you guys wait to soak up those wonderful, summertime laid back vibes at Wrigley? Why you'll be taken back to the innocence of childhood as you step around puddles of vomit while douchebags grab your girlfriend's ass under the glow of the WINTRUST sign.

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Every dollar the Ricketts family takes in, is that much more they can put into the product on the field. When the ballpark is finished, along with the plaza and hotel, they will just be raking it in and the payroll may well be in the Dodgers range, as they have to pay out to keep guys like Bryant in the fold as well as signing top free agents. The money bar owners make will not help put a better product on the field, so it's easy for me to want the Ricketts family to make that dollar instead.

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What a bunch of horse shit. How many people still live in the neighborhood that were there before the rooftops became big business? The area's bars and rooftops have combined with the stadium to make a massive multipurpose complex that has been operating for decades.
A lot of them have been around a lot longer than the Ricketts. Wouldn't buying the Cubs invalidate the claim the same way buying/renting a condo would? I'm sure plenty of them live in old buildings too.

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The Ricketts family has done more in the past several years to improve that area than anyone by far.


Improve it for who? Douchebags from Winnetka?


Improved for you. You're there more than any of us.

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No one is saying the Cubs should be able to do whatever they want. it is not like they are doing anything illegal to expand. Property is for sale, they buy it and expand. They have every right to do that.


That isn't what they're doing though. It's more like your next door neighbor demanding to open a beer garden in his backyard. I'm sure you wouldn't like that.


It's actually nothing like this at all. It's more like having a beer garden open til 9pm...but it's surrounded by beer gardens open til 2am or later...the 9pm beer garden wants to stay open til 11pm now...the surrounding beer gardens have a hissy fit.

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What a bunch of horse shit. How many people still live in the neighborhood that were there before the rooftops became big business? The area's bars and rooftops have combined with the stadium to make a massive multipurpose complex that has been operating for decades.
A lot of them have been around a lot longer than the Ricketts. Wouldn't buying the Cubs invalidate the claim the same way buying/renting a condo would? I'm sure plenty of them live in old buildings too.


Do you really think it will impact the neighborhood, other than to divert dollars previously taken in by bar owners, back to the Ricketts family instead? It's not like they are going to be suddenly bringing in 50,000 fans, rather than 40,000. The ballpark is still going to be just over 40,000 with standing room. So there will be approximately the same number of people drinking in Wrigleyville. It's just a matter of where they drink and who gets those dollars. That is it. Period.

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America wrote:
Can you guys wait to soak up those wonderful, summertime laid back vibes at Wrigley? Why you'll be taken back to the innocence of childhood as you step around puddles of vomit while douchebags grab your girlfriend's ass under the glow of the WINTRUST sign.


Sure you're talking about Wrigleyville? It's more likely a guy will grab your a$$.

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A lot of them have been around a lot longer than the Ricketts. Wouldn't buying the Cubs invalidate the claim the same way buying/renting a condo would? I'm sure plenty of them live in old buildings too.



This makes no sense.

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Do you really think it will impact the neighborhood, other than to divert dollars previously taken in by bar owners, back to the Ricketts family instead? It's not like they are going to be suddenly bringing in 50,000 fans, rather than 40,000. The ballpark is still going to be just over 40,000 with standing room. So there will be approximately the same number of people drinking in Wrigleyville. It's just a matter of where they drink and who gets those dollars. That is it. Period.
Yes it will impact the neighborhood. Didn't you just wax poetic about how much the neighborhood is changing because of the Cubs?

If it isn't going to change anything then why are the Cubs trying to do it? :lol:

I don't live in the neighborhood either and never will. It sounds like a fun thing to do and I probably will go to it at some point and enjoy it.

It just doesn't mean I think the people who are going to be affected by it every single day are wrong for not wanting to just open up the doors for the Cubs to do whatever they want.

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The Ricketts family has done more in the past several years to improve that area than anyone by far.


Improve it for who? Douchebags from Winnetka?


Improved for you. You're there more than any of us.

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If you live in the area and have new streets, sidewalks, curbs, street lights, added security, parks for the kids, a skating rink in the winter, movies in the park.....yeah, those things are all kind of nice. it doesn't do a lot for guys like me that live in Winnetka, except to make it a nicer neighborhood to walk through and visit. but I would think for people that live there, these are nice things.

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A lot of them have been around a lot longer than the Ricketts. Wouldn't buying the Cubs invalidate the claim the same way buying/renting a condo would? I'm sure plenty of them live in old buildings too.



This makes no sense.
Sure it does.

People are saying "You bought by Wrigley Field. Deal with it". The same should be true for the people that bought Wrigley Field. It's inconsistent to act like the Ricketts buying the Cubs doesn't reset the "Deal with it" clock but buying a condo does.

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Every dollar the Ricketts family takes in, is that much more they can put into the product on the field. When the ballpark is finished, along with the plaza and hotel, they will just be raking it in and the payroll may well be in the Dodgers range, as they have to pay out to keep guys like Bryant in the fold as well as signing top free agents. The money bar owners make will not help put a better product on the field, so it's easy for me to want the Ricketts family to make that dollar instead.


Are you 100% certain the Rickett's family doesn't have some sub corporation running the plaza and hotel? They will need to hide/siphon some revenue for the family and all that. Similar to the Trib having the Cubs "losing" money?

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The Cubs are doing things to try and keep people in the neighborhood longer after games and attract patrons to the area 365 days a year with the hotel and museum or whatever. There will likely be a net gain by all the businesses in the area.

Do I think it's families living in the neighborhood that are being the squeaky wheel on this? Not one little bit.

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