Okay, let me be more clear ......I think the Ricketts family has done a lot to improve the area the ballpark is in and that should be lauded. How do you think having people drink in a beer garden that is part of the new plaza, will negatively impact the neighborhood, when there will be approximately the same number of people drinking in the neighborhood? There will just be some drinking in the beer garden, that otherwise would be drinking in a bar. No real difference to the neighborhood, except the bar owners, who realize slightly lower profits.

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Go Cubs!!!!

They own it all, along with most of the rooftop buildings now.

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Go Cubs!!!!

some bars will close.

far be it from me to make a dumb Cubs versus Sox post...I hate those, but

Cubs-Screw over a neighborhood
Sox-Screw over an entire state of taxpayers

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Ба́бушка гада́ла, да на́двое сказа́ла—то ли до́ждик, то ли снег, то ли бу́дет, то ли нет.

Well, you succeeded.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Will this thirty year old story ever end? None of the main actors are particularly likable nor are virtually any of them innocents. Hell, most are downright repugnant imo. At the core this is still just a question of who can fleece willing Cub fans & local businesses the most.

I actually keep waiting for the CTA to start with a special Addison/Clark surcharge(if they haven't already). Want to go to go home from a Cub game, fine. Put your card in and watch an extra $0.25-.50 get deducted. Following the leaders, it would seem.

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There are only two examples of infinity: The universe and human stupidity and I'm not sure about the universe.

The Ricketts have jumped through every hoop thrown in front of them. I'm sure they came into this with their eyes wide open to the existing roadblocks and resistance from within and without. It's all part of the game. Do I still think it's shitty? I do. Do I think what the Ricketts are doing will be good for the overall game and neighborhood experience? Yes, I do.

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I feel bad for the regulars on that Irving 80 bus after a Cubs game. They look so resigned to their fate of riding with drunk Cubs fans.

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Hawaii (fuck) You

So, please allow me to retort.

1. You DON'T think the costs won't reach the entire state in tax increases one way or the other?

2. 2005.

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There are only two examples of infinity: The universe and human stupidity and I'm not sure about the universe.

They always do.

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You ignored or misunderstood my point. Are you sure the Rickett's are using only one Cubs bucket to collect all their revenue? Will all that money be used on the Cubs?

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Elections have consequences.

So true. The Cubs got ZERO dollars to build their new replica ballpark, while the Sox extorted the state to build and maintain their park at taxpayer expense. Illinois should have told Reinsdorf to go ahead and move to Florida. But instead, it made a bad deal. Now people complain when the Cubs are trying to find revenue streams to help finance the construction.

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Go Cubs!!!!

Why do we act like the Ricketts are victims because they have to follow the same protocols that any of us would have to go through?

Should the city of Chicago on the day that the ink was dry on the purchase of the Cubs have said "Hey Ricketts family, you know all those rules and regulations and all the rights of objection by others? Just forget about those. You can do whatever you want".

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

I can promise you that the city of Chicago and/or State Of Illinois would have bought Wrigley Field for $1 and offered the Cubs the exact same deal the Sox have.

Heck, I'm pretty sure Nas, Seacrest, and JORR would have bought Wrigley Field for $1 and offered the Cubs the same deal the Sox have.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

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Of course not. Money will go towards reconstruction of the ballpark, construction of the hotel and plaza, as well as the on field product. But lets say 10 cents of every dollar can go towards the on field product....that's 10 cents more than the bar owner is putting towards the on field product.

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Go Cubs!!!!

Not at all the same deal...

Huh?

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

it just happens to be a frustration of mine. It won't happen again.

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Ба́бушка гада́ла, да на́двое сказа́ла—то ли до́ждик, то ли снег, то ли бу́дет, то ли нет.

Your proposal would be analogous to State of Illinois purchasing Old Comiskey for $1 and then renting to the White Sox.

A Cubs equivalent to Sox current situation would be a brand new Wrigley Field financed by taxpayers. The Cubs would then have to pay a well below-market rent rate. Then a series of renovations a decade afters its construction equaling a 3rd of it's original cost at taxpayer expense.

I find it curious how concerned Sox fans are, about anything the Ricketts family wants to do around Wrigley Field. Sox fans are not likely to go to Wrigley often, if at all, yet they are just concerned for the welfare of the citizenry I guess. Or......could it be, they are just against anything that might help the Ricketts family make more money, for fear it may translate into more payroll dollars available to even further improve the team??? I think that may just be a BINGO!!

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Go Cubs!!!!

I said the "same deal as the Sox got" which would either be a new stadium or a renovated Wrigley Field.

There is a reason that keeping Wrigley Field linked directly to the ownership of the Cubs was vital to the deal. The Cubs make MORE money by owning their stadium.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Many go to Wrigely far more times than Sox Park.

BRick's comprehension of the simple is really slipping lately.

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Not a mult.

It would never really work out similarly anyway, as the Sox have gotten greatly discounted rent at the ballpark the state built at taxpayer expense, due to having attendance at a level low enough to qualify for a greatly discounted rate in several seasons. The Cubs attendance would never be low enough these days to get such a deal. Also, the state doesn't have liquid funds sufficient to build a ballpark now, as it did then. If that same situation rose today, Rahm would probably tell jerry to enjoy the Florida weather.

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Go Cubs!!!!

You just explained why the Cubs benefit from not having the same deal as the White Sox. Thanks!

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Is this true? Frank, JORR, America and other Sox fans.....chime in on this.


I can easily understand any fan preferring Wrigley Field (The Shrine) and the ambiance of Wrigleyville, to U.S. cellular and the awful neighborhood it sits it.

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Go Cubs!!!!

Wrigley Field sucks. It's like an NFL game, looks great on TV but is terrible going in person. The last game I went to at Wrigley, Soriano was still on the Nationals and hit a couple of homers off Kerry Wood.

You are wrong, as usual, about Bridgeport, and the Cubs closing thier beer garden at 9pm.

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