Wrigley Field sucks. Getting to Wrigley Field sucks. Their beer selection sucks. The food sucks. The only redeeming quality of going to a game at Wrigley is pre-game beers and Buffalo Wing pizza at Yak-zies.

If I were a Cubs fan, I'd make multiple pilgrimages to Milwaukee to see them play. Parking is great, plus, tailgating.

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I think in the long run, if a person or group has the money to construct their own ballpark, they are better off in the long run. But if the person or group lacks the funds to finance the construction of a new park, they have to accept that while they will save hundreds of millions perhaps in construction costs, they will also make less money in the long run. But the initial cost of building a ballpark today is so great, that the city should really be giving the Cubs a few breaks. Chicago is raking in huge amounts, based on not only tickets, but taxes from all the establishments around Wrigley that would not be raking in the dollars if the Cubs had moved to Rosemont.

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Go Cubs!!!!

Thank you for continuing to explain it!

Saving me a lot of time.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

The Wrigley experience just gets better and better...actually!



Going up to a game in Milwaukee is also a treat. Really nice stadium up there. Though it still can be a pain in the ass to get in and out of with traffic and road construction. Once you think you're in...then you have to deal with the stupid parking lot situation. If you could get up there early enough to get set up for tailgating and could wait until the lot was empty to leave, then you'd have a pretty good experience.

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The pure essence of a Sox fan

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"That's what the internet is for. Slandering others anonymously." Banky
“Been that way since one monkey looked at the sun and told the other monkey ‘He said for you to give me your fuckin’ share.’”

If Steve posts "in the long run" again, he is going to have to start paying the estate of Glenn Frey.

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I agree about Milwaukee. I like miller Park a lot. Especially in April, May and September, when it's likely to be cool and might rain. That roof is pretty nice to have on rainy cool nights. The tailgating is cool and people are usually real friendly. the food is good and the concourses are nice and wide. I have gone to dozens of games there.

But Wrigley Field is better than ever and will get better still over the next year and a half-2 years, when it's done. The food is better these days and I get to the park way early to watch batting practice, so getting there is not a real problem, as I am there well before traffic gets bad. it's beautiful ballpark, where fans are closer to the field than is the case in most parks. Can't understand why teams want wide areas between the foul lines and the seats, when they could have more good seats there instead?

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Go Cubs!!!!

Once you explain to us what point you are trying to make instead of posting in ltg-style circles of nonsense, then maybe we can finally end this horseshit.

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Not a mult.

The Cubs benefit from owning Wrigley Field rather than playing in a city/state owned facility.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

AND??????????

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Not a mult.

Read the thread.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

That isn't true. When the State must bear all costs while all revenues are funneled to the tenant that's a fantastic deal.

Under the White Sox model all the renovations currently underway at Wrigley would be paid for by the State with nearly all revenue deposited in the Ricketts pocket. Pretty sweet deal if you ask me.

Their.....not thier beer garden. So tell me how (besides the bar owners) closing the beer garden at 11pm rather than 9pm, will negatively impact the Wrigleyville neighborhood. Also, I have been to U.S. Cellular a couple dozen times, including the 2nd game in the Boston series in the ALDS series in 2005 where Iguchi hit the 3 run homer after the Graffanino error. I am not speaking as someone who has never been in that neighborhood. I always worry whether or not my car will be broken into when I have gone there, especially during night games. it's a shitty area. If you don't think so, it's because your standards are low, not because it's not lousy.

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Go Cubs!!!!

I would personally buy Wrigley Field for $1 right now, take on all outstanding debt on it, and give them the EXACT same deal the White Sox have. Would the Ricketts accept my proposal?

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

If you think your car had a better chance of being broken into while it's parked at US Cellular field than it does near Wrigley or at a Metra station, it has nothing to do with standards. It very simply has to do with you being a complete dumbass.

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And I find it curious that suburbanites think their shitty opinions on City of Chicago zoning issues matter even a little bit.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Matthew, Tulsi, and Don

Besides the fact that your mastery of the obvious is not exclusive to the Cubs in the world of Pro Sports, but it has nothing to do with the Molotov cocktail of a shitpost that America threw up to start it off.

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Not a mult.

You're both right in different ways. Yes, the Sox got a great deal from the state and saved hundreds of millions on building a new ballpark and yes, they have paid very little of the profits back to the state, due to a ridiculous attendance clause that allows them to have substantially reduced rent, based on poor attendance. BUT the Cubs would not get such a break, because they get nearly twice the fans at their games. because their attendance is so much better, having their own park and keeping all the money, is better for them in the long run (just for you Frank).

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Go Cubs!!!!

Let's not kid ourselves. This issue breaks down with Cub fans wanting Ricketts to be the richest man in the world because they believe that will help this hapless franchise win the World Series they fantasize about. There are no other considerations in their minds.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Matthew, Tulsi, and Don

No question.

The Cubs will now occupy Wrigley without having to pay rent for the next 17 years. You are also liable for all future renovations, taxes, and maintenance with token revenue routed your way.

Plus all ticket revenue, concessions, merchandise, media rights and parking revenue is Cubs exclusive.

No brainer

Read the thread.

There are people currently arguing against my "mastery of the obvious".

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

I'll pay for that with other events and concerts and the huge per ticket fees the Cubs would owe me for this year when they have massive attendance numbers.

So, just to be clear, you believe that Ricketts would have been smart to sell Wrigley Field and get a good deal on rent the day he bought the team?

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

I feel like I am a bit more qualified (I might have said entitled, but that would have just invited problems) than the average suburban fan, to broach this subject. My Great-Grandfather bought a 2 flat at 3833 N. Clark St. (across the street from where Nuts on Clark is now) and my Grandparents lived there after my Great- Grandparents passed as did my Mother, before she married my Father. I grew up going to lots of games there. Lived there myself for a bit over a year, while renovating the first floor flat at one point. I know the neighborhood. I still know many of the neighbors there and stop to say hello before or after a game. I played on softball team that were sponsored by the neighborhood bar (then Joe's Piano man) and went to the Metro to see musical acts. The neighborhood is like a 2nd home and I wish my Mother had not sold the building, or I would have maintained it and kept it in the family for as long as I lived. I love the effect the Ricketts are having on that neighborhood. Sure, it will ultimately just make them even richer and that is their motivation. But it's made the neighborhood better and they have made the team better. It's all good.

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Go Cubs!!!!

You should have stayed if you wanted your opinion to matter. Your family sold their building but you still seem to think you should have the same or more input than the people you sold it to.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Matthew, Tulsi, and Don

I read the thread just fine. Your original stance of "poor Wrigleyville souls are being infringed on by the big bad Cub OrganIZation, even though we should have seen this coming 35 years ago" somehow morphed into "Cubs benefit from owning their ballpark and surrounding property" as being the point, but your second point really has nothing to do with the first point in this instance.

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Not a mult.

Another fine post by Steve.

The offshoot of the Cubs being good is more Steve Cubs posts which sort of makes me want them to be shitty again .

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Proud member of the white guy grievance committee

It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

I wasn't the one who made the link to the White Sox.

Maybe read the thread again to see it.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

You're not alone.

Did.Not.Happen.

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