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Consider this your quadrennial reminder that VP selection means pretty much jack shit when it comes to swaying an individual state, at least because of said nominee being from that state.

Every time I open this thread and see something stupid about someone being able to deliver a state or region of the country, I'm just going to quote this. I don't care how many times I have to do it.


For someone to actually believe that a VP candidate from Ohio woukdn't bring more Ohio votes to his ticket than a VP candidate from any other state is just plain stupid.


Especially a popular governor who was just reelected by a HUUUGE margin.

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PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2016 4:50 pm 
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I think it just depends on the situation and the candidates.

This year, there is no way that a guy like Kasich would not help a candidate in Ohio.

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Ok, let's play a game. Name the last time a VP candidate helped swing a state.

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Ok, let's play a game. Name the last time a VP candidate helped swing a state.

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So in your opinion Kasich would not bring more votes to the GOP candidate in Ohio?

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Ok, let's play a game. Name the last time a VP candidate helped swing a state.

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Name a popular governor who didn't deliver his state? Most are senators.

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Ok, let's play a game. Name the last time a VP candidate helped swing a state.

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So in your opinion Kasich would not bring more votes to the GOP candidate in Ohio?

Not enough to make a difference in the outcome of the winner in that or any other state.

The guy didn't even win a majority of the votes in the primary of the state where he is so beloved. Sure he might give Trump some extra votes, but let's not act like he's going to be a political force of nature and single handedly deliver states for Trump. Such people end up on the top of the ticket, not the bottom.

If Trump wins Ohio, it will say far more about what the voters think about Trump and Hillary.


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Ok, let's play a game. Name the last time a VP candidate helped swing a state.

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So in your opinion Kasich would not bring more votes to the GOP candidate in Ohio?


Despite having a machine and knowing where the voters are.

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lipidquadcab wrote:
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Ok, let's play a game. Name the last time a VP candidate helped swing a state.

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So in your opinion Kasich would not bring more votes to the GOP candidate in Ohio?

Not enough to make a difference in the outcome of the winner in that or any other state.

The guy didn't even win a majority of the votes in the primary of the state where he is so beloved. Sure he might give Trump some extra votes, but let's not act like he's going to be a political force of nature and single handedly deliver states for Trump. Such people end up on the top of the ticket, not the bottom.

If Trump wins Ohio, it will say far more about what the voters think about Trump and Hillary.

In general I agree with you. But I think in a year such as this where it appears a state like Ohio is going to be extremely tight, a guy like Kasich could make a difference in the outcome.

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dunno if this has been noted up thread or elsewhere here at CSFMB, but this would appear to knock Christie out of the VP slot:

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/arc ... on/481896/

likely that means Chief of Staff, should Don win the White House.

Clever gambit by Barbara/Bush Family. Their guy on the inside will be recommending hires to President Trump. Watch for a lot Bush Too admin assistant / undersecretary types to get jobs in a possible Trump Administration


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Spiro Agnew?

Yeah, those other 510 electoral votes Nixon got in '72 wouldn't have meant anything without Maryland's 10. :lol:


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Hussra wrote:
dunno if this has been noted up thread or elsewhere here at CSFMB, but this would appear to knock Christie out of the VP slot:

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/arc ... on/481896/

likely that means Chief of Staff, should Don win the White House.

Remember when Cheney was the head of the committee to find W's running mate?


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I could see Kasich swinging voters (or rather getting disaffected Nevertrumpers back in line) through some coded messaging about how Trump will be a loud figurehead while Kasich will be the adult in the room getting things done, like a cross between Dick Cheney and Jimmy Stewart.

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Ok, let's play a game. Name the last time a VP candidate helped swing a state.

I'll hang up and listen for my answer.

So in your opinion Kasich would not bring more votes to the GOP candidate in Ohio?

Not enough to make a difference in the outcome of the winner in that or any other state.

The guy didn't even win a majority of the votes in the primary of the state where he is so beloved. Sure he might give Trump some extra votes, but let's not act like he's going to be a political force of nature and single handedly deliver states for Trump. Such people end up on the top of the ticket, not the bottom.

If Trump wins Ohio, it will say far more about what the voters think about Trump and Hillary.


He got 64% of the vote in a reelection. There hasn't been a VP candidate like him. He would be overqualified based on past selections.

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Spiro Agnew?

Yeah, those other 510 electoral votes Nixon got in '72 wouldn't have meant anything without Maryland's 10. :lol:


Nah, they carried Maryland in 1972

1968, the year Agnew failed to deliver his home state to the ticket he was on, was much closer:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_St ... tion,_1968

Incumbents with any sort of positive approval rating could trot out an Artichoke named 'Dave' for the VP and still win, in most cases.

Agnew had been elected Governor in 1966 and so was the sitting Governor of Maryland when he and Nixon failed to carry Maryland in 1968--maybe the voters didn't like his get elected and move on routine.


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Ok, let's play a game. Name the last time a VP candidate helped swing a state.

I'll hang up and listen for my answer.


Name a popular governor who didn't deliver his state? Most are senators.


Senators and Congresspersons in general seem to be the popular pick for VP. I suppose the whole "President of the Senate" thing might explain that a bit--VP's job then, in theory, should be to be the Administration's point man on Capitol Hill.

Kasich brings both the popular governor of a swing state + long history of working on Capitol Hill to the ticket.

I like it. Would be the ultimate politco call to tap Kasich. Trump flips the script by flipping his own script and doing what a typical politico would do here and pick Kasich. Or something.

Also, Kasich's from Western Pennsylvania originally. Penn's in play. Maybe Trump could re-animate Joe Pa to endorse him and take Pennsylvania and Ohio.


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Sure, it was probably nothing more than his own irrelevance all along, but I always found it interesting that Trump spared Kasich from the haymakers that Lindsey Graham, Lyin' Ted, Low Energy Jeb!, and Little Marco took. I figured he and his people knew they would eventually have to make a conciliatory gesture to the establishment if this thing went all the way to the convention, and best for it to be the one most people considered sane.

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Yeah, the only thing I recall Trump ribbing Kasich about was Kasich's Brad Pitt in Ocean's 11 tendency to be shoveling food into his maw any time he appeared on CNN/Fox/MSNBC coverage of him; which given that Kasich isn't Chris Christie sized, can be easily played off as friendly "bro-hazing" by Trump should Kasich end up on the ticket. Trump/Kasich could even make it a running joke on the campaign trail.


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Yeah, the only thing I recall Trump ribbing Kasich about was Kasich's Brad Pitt in Ocean's 11 tendency to be shoveling food into his maw any time he appeared on CNN/Fox/MSNBC coverage of him; which given that Kasich isn't Chris Christie sized, can be easily played off as friendly "bro-hazing" by Trump should Kasich end up on the ticket. Trump/Kasich could even make it a running joke on the campaign trail.


Kasich teamed up with Cruz and Kasich really dislikes Trump.

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Yeah, the only thing I recall Trump ribbing Kasich about was Kasich's Brad Pitt in Ocean's 11 tendency to be shoveling food into his maw any time he appeared on CNN/Fox/MSNBC coverage of him; which given that Kasich isn't Chris Christie sized, can be easily played off as friendly "bro-hazing" by Trump should Kasich end up on the ticket. Trump/Kasich could even make it a running joke on the campaign trail.


Kasich teamed up with Cruz and Kasich really dislikes Trump.


:lol:

Teamed up?


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Bush I didn't like Reagan; Gore didn't like Clinton; LBJ hated JFK and his family. These things are more known now, with contemporary candidates; thanks to cable news and the internet; but still politics/ strange bedfellows.

Other than Christie, doubt any of the possibilities for VP are going to be huge Trump fans before getting to be on the ticket. Huckabee and Carly were the others who went to Trump's debate-boycott thing in Iowa. But Carly's HUGELY unlikely, imo, for all manner of reasons.


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PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2016 7:21 pm 
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Yeah, the only thing I recall Trump ribbing Kasich about was Kasich's Brad Pitt in Ocean's 11 tendency to be shoveling food into his maw any time he appeared on CNN/Fox/MSNBC coverage of him; which given that Kasich isn't Chris Christie sized, can be easily played off as friendly "bro-hazing" by Trump should Kasich end up on the ticket. Trump/Kasich could even make it a running joke on the campaign trail.


Kasich teamed up with Cruz and Kasich really dislikes Trump.


:lol:

Teamed up?

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Nas wrote:
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Yeah, the only thing I recall Trump ribbing Kasich about was Kasich's Brad Pitt in Ocean's 11 tendency to be shoveling food into his maw any time he appeared on CNN/Fox/MSNBC coverage of him; which given that Kasich isn't Chris Christie sized, can be easily played off as friendly "bro-hazing" by Trump should Kasich end up on the ticket. Trump/Kasich could even make it a running joke on the campaign trail.


Kasich teamed up with Cruz and Kasich really dislikes Trump.


:lol:

Teamed up?

Maybe you should get a TV


:lol: Okay, psycho.

Kasich kinda sorta pulling out of Indiana and Cruz kinda sorta not putting much effort into Nebraska and Oregon isn't isn't exactly what I'd call "Teaming Up" it wasn't exactly like they were Creed and Balboa working together to defeat Clubber Lang.

Another one falls for the hysterical, sensationalist media narrative.


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PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2016 7:29 pm 
Ahhhh yes. The old "psycho" for daring to ask one of the board dipshits if they actually get any real facts outside of their little make believe world. (yawn) Get some new material.


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Ahhhh yes. The old "psycho" for daring to ask one of the board dipshits if they actually get any real facts outside of their little make believe world. (yawn) Get some new material.


Here is the fact, jacko, they didn't "Team Up" (oh brother) you fell for the media bait...hook line and sinker.

It was such a great combo, such a strong "Team Up" that after Kasich said he "relocate" assets to the west he went on interviews saying that Indiana voters should definitely still vote for him.

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Nas wrote:
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Yeah, the only thing I recall Trump ribbing Kasich about was Kasich's Brad Pitt in Ocean's 11 tendency to be shoveling food into his maw any time he appeared on CNN/Fox/MSNBC coverage of him; which given that Kasich isn't Chris Christie sized, can be easily played off as friendly "bro-hazing" by Trump should Kasich end up on the ticket. Trump/Kasich could even make it a running joke on the campaign trail.


Kasich teamed up with Cruz and Kasich really dislikes Trump.


:lol:

Teamed up?


:lol: :lol: Yeah it didn't really work out

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PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2016 7:39 pm 
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Ahhhh yes. The old "psycho" for daring to ask one of the board dipshits if they actually get any real facts outside of their little make believe world. (yawn) Get some new material.


Here is the fact, jacko, they didn't "Team Up" (oh brother) you fell for the media bait...hook line and sinker.

It was such a great combo, such a strong "Team Up" that after Kasich said he "relocate" assets to the west he went on interviews saying that Indiana voters should definitely still vote for him.

Boy, like Godzilla and Mothra fighting MegaloDON.

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Ok, let's play a game. Name the last time a VP candidate helped swing a state.

I'll hang up and listen for my answer.


It happens in every presidential election.


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The country was saved from President Dukakis when Dan Quayle delivered Indiana for Bush in '88. [not really]


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Ok, let's play a game. Name the last time a VP candidate helped swing a state.

I'll hang up and listen for my answer.


It happens in every presidential election.


Which state did Paul Ryan swing? Sarah Palin? Joe Biden?

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