It is currently Mon Feb 24, 2025 10:56 pm

All times are UTC - 6 hours [ DST ]




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 652 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22  Next
Author Message
 Post subject: Re: Bernie Sanders
PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2016 4:29 pm 
Offline
100000 CLUB
User avatar

Joined: Tue Mar 29, 2005 8:06 pm
Posts: 81466
pizza_Place: 773-684-2222
Edward Dickman wrote:
There might just be some fireworks at the DNC. I'm hoping my guy Bernie and his supporters raise hell.


Why? They lost. Even if you change the rules they lose.

_________________
Be well

GO BEARS!!!


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Bernie Sanders
PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2016 5:08 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Dec 07, 2015 6:08 pm
Posts: 3717
Location: East of Eden
pizza_Place: Vito and Nick's
Nas wrote:
Edward Dickman wrote:
There might just be some fireworks at the DNC. I'm hoping my guy Bernie and his supporters raise hell.


Why? They lost. Even if you change the rules they lose.

I just wish Hillary stood for something. Or that she had a clue about what social class is.

_________________
rogers park bryan wrote:
This registered sex offender I regularly converse with on the internet just said something really stupid


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Bernie Sanders
PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2016 5:22 pm 
Offline
100000 CLUB
User avatar

Joined: Tue Mar 29, 2005 8:06 pm
Posts: 81466
pizza_Place: 773-684-2222
formerlyknownas wrote:
Nas wrote:
Edward Dickman wrote:
There might just be some fireworks at the DNC. I'm hoping my guy Bernie and his supporters raise hell.


Why? They lost. Even if you change the rules they lose.

I just wish Hillary stood for something. Or that she had a clue about what social class is.


I hope you are wrong

_________________
Be well

GO BEARS!!!


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Bernie Sanders
PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2016 5:35 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Dec 07, 2015 6:08 pm
Posts: 3717
Location: East of Eden
pizza_Place: Vito and Nick's
Nas wrote:
formerlyknownas wrote:
Nas wrote:
Edward Dickman wrote:
There might just be some fireworks at the DNC. I'm hoping my guy Bernie and his supporters raise hell.


Why? They lost. Even if you change the rules they lose.

I just wish Hillary stood for something. Or that she had a clue about what social class is.


I hope you are wrong

Me too. I have to vote for her, though.

_________________
rogers park bryan wrote:
This registered sex offender I regularly converse with on the internet just said something really stupid


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Bernie Sanders
PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2016 5:38 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Nov 16, 2006 6:29 pm
Posts: 56758
pizza_Place: Lou Malnati's
Changing the rules, like they did on the fly at the Nevada convention to make sure Hillary won in spite of herself and her lazy-ass no-showing delegates.

_________________
Molly Lambert wrote:
The future holds the possibility to be great or terrible, and since it has not yet occurred it remains simultaneously both.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Bernie Sanders
PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2016 5:45 pm 
Offline
100000 CLUB
User avatar

Joined: Tue Mar 29, 2005 8:06 pm
Posts: 81466
pizza_Place: 773-684-2222
Curious Hair wrote:
Changing the rules, like they did on the fly at the Nevada convention to make sure Hillary won in spite of herself and her lazy-ass no-showing delegates.


No they didn't. The rules changed after 2008. Hillary was never going to lose Nevada. She beat Obama too because she knew the system. Nothing changed.

_________________
Be well

GO BEARS!!!


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Bernie Sanders
PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2016 11:01 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Mar 30, 2016 10:39 pm
Posts: 379
Location: Florida
pizza_Place: Dickman's
I'm a Bernie guy. Many Bernie supporters hate Hillary. Alot. When Hillary gets to the 2382 delegates necessary to win the dem nominstiin, will Bernie throw his support to Hillary and tell his supporters to vote for her? I will vote for her, but I would anticipate that many Bernie supporters wont vote for Hills.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Bernie Sanders
PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2016 11:32 pm 
Offline
100000 CLUB
User avatar

Joined: Tue Mar 29, 2005 8:06 pm
Posts: 81466
pizza_Place: 773-684-2222
Bernie isn't a nice guy by all accounts but he's still a politician. I imagine he'll put on a good enough show and bring over nearly all of his supporters. Hillary is lucky to not be running against a Kasich.

_________________
Be well

GO BEARS!!!


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Bernie Sanders
PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2016 7:23 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jun 21, 2006 6:57 pm
Posts: 93660
Location: To the left of my post
Nas wrote:
Bernie isn't a nice guy by all accounts but he's still a politician. I imagine he'll put on a good enough show and bring over nearly all of his supporters. Hillary is lucky to not be running against a Kasich.
I'm starting to think that Sanders true end goal is the fracture of the Democratic Party. If you really think about it, his whole campaign has been an attack on the Democratic Party and he seems to be doubling down on those attacks. I'm starting to believe that his "political revolution" is about getting young people to leave the Democratic Party down the line and become Socialists(I know, he was only a Socialist for half his life. He's now a Democratic Socialist).

Quite honestly, he may think the best course of action to get that done is for Donald Trump to be elected President. Hillary is going to be an average to above average President like Obama, and most people are going to go about the next 8 years doing just fine with some highs and some lows, and then we'll remember Bernie like we do Rand Paul and other ideologues that don't really do much besides stir a discussion. However, if Trump gets elected, and he is the disaster he probably would be(until he gets impeached) you might get young people so fired up that they keep up the good fight for the ideas of Bernie past the election. It would be like a more extreme version of the emotional fights against Bush that galvanized a lot of people who suddenly got very silent when Obama basically did the same things in different ways.

So, it's an interesting choice for Bernie. The only way to have a lasting impact is to destroy Hillary Clinton. You can't be the "political revolution" guy and then at the end say "Yeah, the person I used as the example of why we need a political revolution is cool and you should vote for her" and stay relevant.

_________________
You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Bernie Sanders
PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2016 7:27 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon May 02, 2011 4:29 pm
Posts: 40942
Location: Everywhere
pizza_Place: giordanos
Its possible Brick. We will see if he is allowed if that is indeed what he wants to do. The media would have to decide between status quo or covering a major change in our state of the union, if you also consider Trump blowing up stuff on the other side.

_________________
Elections have consequences.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Bernie Sanders
PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2016 8:20 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Feb 17, 2005 2:35 pm
Posts: 83011
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Nas wrote:
Bernie isn't a nice guy by all accounts but he's still a politician. I imagine he'll put on a good enough show and bring over nearly all of his supporters. Hillary is lucky to not be running against a Kasich.
I'm starting to think that Sanders true end goal is the fracture of the Democratic Party. If you really think about it, his whole campaign has been an attack on the Democratic Party and he seems to be doubling down on those attacks. I'm starting to believe that his "political revolution" is about getting young people to leave the Democratic Party down the line and become Socialists(I know, he was only a Socialist for half his life. He's now a Democratic Socialist)..


Truth.

There are a few social movements going on right now that I suspect are being either overtly or covertly pushed by socialists and international communists. Sorry to drop some Mc Carthyism so early in the morning.

_________________
O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Bernie Sanders
PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2016 8:24 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun Jan 30, 2011 10:15 am
Posts: 27591
pizza_Place: nick n vito's
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Nas wrote:
Bernie isn't a nice guy by all accounts but he's still a politician. I imagine he'll put on a good enough show and bring over nearly all of his supporters. Hillary is lucky to not be running against a Kasich.
I'm starting to think that Sanders true end goal is the fracture of the Democratic Party. If you really think about it, his whole campaign has been an attack on the Democratic Party and he seems to be doubling down on those attacks. I'm starting to believe that his "political revolution" is about getting young people to leave the Democratic Party down the line and become Socialists(I know, he was only a Socialist for half his life. He's now a Democratic Socialist).

Quite honestly, he may think the best course of action to get that done is for Donald Trump to be elected President. Hillary is going to be an average to above average President like Obama, and most people are going to go about the next 8 years doing just fine with some highs and some lows, and then we'll remember Bernie like we do Rand Paul and other ideologues that don't really do much besides stir a discussion. However, if Trump gets elected, and he is the disaster he probably would be(until he gets impeached) you might get young people so fired up that they keep up the good fight for the ideas of Bernie past the election. It would be like a more extreme version of the emotional fights against Bush that galvanized a lot of people who suddenly got very silent when Obama basically did the same things in different ways.

So, it's an interesting choice for Bernie. The only way to have a lasting impact is to destroy Hillary Clinton. You can't be the "political revolution" guy and then at the end say "Yeah, the person I used as the example of why we need a political revolution is cool and you should vote for her" and stay relevant.






I don't think so, but its possible.. Most of us Bernie Backers are not party affiliated, we don't like dems or Republicans.. Clinton is in forva very rude awakening if she thinks his supporters are going to support her if Bernie concedes or doesn't run as an Indy.

_________________
The Original Kid Cairo wrote:
Laurence Holmes is a fucking weirdo, a nerd in denial, and a wannabe. Not a very good radio host either.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Bernie Sanders
PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2016 8:26 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jun 21, 2006 6:57 pm
Posts: 93660
Location: To the left of my post
312player wrote:
Most of us Bernie Backers are not party affiliated
In that case the Democratic Party was right to shut down Bernie.

_________________
You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Bernie Sanders
PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2016 8:30 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun Jan 30, 2011 10:15 am
Posts: 27591
pizza_Place: nick n vito's
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
312player wrote:
Most of us Bernie Backers are not party affiliated
In that case the Democratic Party was right to shut down Bernie.




Dirty politics is the reason why we aren't supporting either party, so they really fucked themselves going forward with young voters and Hillary v Trump is a cointoss..she could very possibly get beat by a reality TV clown.

_________________
The Original Kid Cairo wrote:
Laurence Holmes is a fucking weirdo, a nerd in denial, and a wannabe. Not a very good radio host either.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Bernie Sanders
PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2016 8:31 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jun 21, 2006 6:57 pm
Posts: 93660
Location: To the left of my post
312player wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
312player wrote:
Most of us Bernie Backers are not party affiliated
In that case the Democratic Party was right to shut down Bernie.




Dirty politics is the reason why we aren't supporting either party, so they really fucked themselves going forward with young voters and Hillary v Trump is a cointoss..she could very possibly get beat by a reality TV clown.
When did you stop being a Democrat?

_________________
You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Bernie Sanders
PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2016 8:34 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun Jan 30, 2011 10:15 am
Posts: 27591
pizza_Place: nick n vito's
I was never a dem, but have chose the " lesser of two evils" in the past..those days are done, there is no difference between Hillary and Jeb..both were bought n paid for..I'm writing Bernie in and let the chips fall where they may.

_________________
The Original Kid Cairo wrote:
Laurence Holmes is a fucking weirdo, a nerd in denial, and a wannabe. Not a very good radio host either.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Bernie Sanders
PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2016 8:43 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jun 21, 2006 6:57 pm
Posts: 93660
Location: To the left of my post
312player wrote:
I was never a dem, but have chose the " lesser of two evils" in the past..those days are done, there is no difference between Hillary and Jeb..both were bought n paid for..I'm writing Bernie in and let the chips fall where they may.
That's why the Democratic Party really doesn't care about you though. If a most of the Bernie supporters aren't even Democrats then they should shut him down. If Bernie wants to take all those people and start his own party then he should.

_________________
You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Bernie Sanders
PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2016 8:54 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Nov 05, 2015 2:39 pm
Posts: 19525
pizza_Place: Lou Malnati's
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
That's why the Democratic Party really doesn't care about you though. If a most of the Bernie supporters aren't even Democrats then they should shut him down. If Bernie wants to take all those people and start his own party then he should.


Or maybe Bernie wants to win. Why did Hilary hang on so long in 2008? Supposedly was waiting for a video scandal from the Rev. Wright Church to show up. Bernie could be waiting for the FBI investigation to blow-up.

And the Democratic Party should care about Bernie voters. Otherwise they will not win a general.

_________________
Why are only 14 percent of black CPS 11th-graders proficient in English?

The Missing Link wrote:
For instance they were never taught that Columbus was a slave owner.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Bernie Sanders
PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2016 9:06 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Jun 26, 2008 8:22 am
Posts: 15198
pizza_Place: Wha Happen?
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Nas wrote:
Bernie isn't a nice guy by all accounts but he's still a politician. I imagine he'll put on a good enough show and bring over nearly all of his supporters. Hillary is lucky to not be running against a Kasich.
I'm starting to think that Sanders true end goal is the fracture of the Democratic Party. If you really think about it, his whole campaign has been an attack on the Democratic Party and he seems to be doubling down on those attacks. I'm starting to believe that his "political revolution" is about getting young people to leave the Democratic Party down the line and become Socialists(I know, he was only a Socialist for half his life. He's now a Democratic Socialist).

Quite honestly, he may think the best course of action to get that done is for Donald Trump to be elected President. Hillary is going to be an average to above average President like Obama, and most people are going to go about the next 8 years doing just fine with some highs and some lows, and then we'll remember Bernie like we do Rand Paul and other ideologues that don't really do much besides stir a discussion. However, if Trump gets elected, and he is the disaster he probably would be(until he gets impeached) you might get young people so fired up that they keep up the good fight for the ideas of Bernie past the election. It would be like a more extreme version of the emotional fights against Bush that galvanized a lot of people who suddenly got very silent when Obama basically did the same things in different ways.

So, it's an interesting choice for Bernie. The only way to have a lasting impact is to destroy Hillary Clinton. You can't be the "political revolution" guy and then at the end say "Yeah, the person I used as the example of why we need a political revolution is cool and you should vote for her" and stay relevant.


that's a pretty dumb thought considering he could run for President as an independent and give Trump a better chance, but he will not do that. Trump stands NO chance to win the presidency without a Bernie run.

_________________
Ба́бушка гада́ла, да на́двое сказа́ла—то ли до́ждик, то ли снег, то ли бу́дет, то ли нет.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Bernie Sanders
PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2016 9:08 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jun 21, 2006 6:57 pm
Posts: 93660
Location: To the left of my post
City of Fools wrote:
that's a pretty dumb thought considering he could run for President as an independent and give Trump a better chance, but he will not do that. Trump stands NO chance to win the presidency without a Bernie run.
That turns him into an enemy though of pretty much everyone but his die hard supporters. He will literally be blamed for Trump being the President.

_________________
You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Bernie Sanders
PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2016 9:10 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun Jan 30, 2011 10:15 am
Posts: 27591
pizza_Place: nick n vito's
Bernie destroys Trump in the polls, Hillary is neck n neck with him.

_________________
The Original Kid Cairo wrote:
Laurence Holmes is a fucking weirdo, a nerd in denial, and a wannabe. Not a very good radio host either.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Bernie Sanders
PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2016 9:18 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon May 02, 2011 4:29 pm
Posts: 40942
Location: Everywhere
pizza_Place: giordanos
City of Fools wrote:
that's a pretty dumb thought considering he could run for President as an independent and give Trump a better chance, but he will not do that. Trump stands NO chance to win the presidency without a Bernie run.


I post this as someone not supporting anyone. That is where I am at right now. But you are so sure in all of your posts about this. Yet Trump somehow proves everyone wrong at every turn. I watched his Fox interview last night. That is not a guy that thinks he will lose, wants to lose or is not going to pull anything to win.

_________________
Elections have consequences.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Bernie Sanders
PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2016 9:20 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Jun 22, 2006 3:55 pm
Posts: 33244
Location: Wrigley
pizza_Place: Warren Buffet of Cock
Maybe we need Bernie, Trump, Hillary, and some run of the mill Republican to all go for the Presidency. Then we can have 30% of the electorate decide which of these bad choices is worthy of further destroying America.

_________________
Hawaii (fuck) You


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Bernie Sanders
PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2016 9:37 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Jul 13, 2006 1:25 pm
Posts: 27055
Trump is the personification of the movie idiocracy and back to the future 2 combined.

_________________
the world will always the world. your entire existence is defined by your response.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Bernie Sanders
PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2016 10:59 am 
Offline
100000 CLUB
User avatar

Joined: Tue Mar 29, 2005 8:06 pm
Posts: 81466
pizza_Place: 773-684-2222
denisdman wrote:
Maybe we need Bernie, Trump, Hillary, and some run of the mill Republican to all go for the Presidency. Then we can have 30% of the electorate decide which of these bad choices is worthy of further destroying America.


The House would decide then.

_________________
Be well

GO BEARS!!!


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Bernie Sanders
PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2016 11:15 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Nov 05, 2015 2:39 pm
Posts: 19525
pizza_Place: Lou Malnati's
Nas wrote:
denisdman wrote:
Maybe we need Bernie, Trump, Hillary, and some run of the mill Republican to all go for the Presidency. Then we can have 30% of the electorate decide which of these bad choices is worthy of further destroying America.


The House would decide then.


What rule is this? Could still easily have an electoral winner. They just would not have as many popular votes.

_________________
Why are only 14 percent of black CPS 11th-graders proficient in English?

The Missing Link wrote:
For instance they were never taught that Columbus was a slave owner.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Bernie Sanders
PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2016 11:20 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Apr 14, 2011 7:56 am
Posts: 32234
Location: A sterile, homogeneous suburb
pizza_Place: Pizza Cucina
Rick, help me out here.

How exactly do you determine six months before the president is even decided that she will be an "average to above average president, just like Obama"? Wouldn't that be based almost entirely of one's own ideology and values? Not all people's ideology falls in line with the Republocrats. In fact, most people's doesn't. They are just told that there is no other option.

_________________
Curious Hair wrote:
I'm a big dumb shitlib baby


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Bernie Sanders
PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2016 11:21 am 
Offline
100000 CLUB
User avatar

Joined: Tue Mar 29, 2005 8:06 pm
Posts: 81466
pizza_Place: 773-684-2222
WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
Nas wrote:
denisdman wrote:
Maybe we need Bernie, Trump, Hillary, and some run of the mill Republican to all go for the Presidency. Then we can have 30% of the electorate decide which of these bad choices is worthy of further destroying America.


The House would decide then.


What rule is this? Could still easily have an electoral winner. They just would not have as many popular votes.


If the vote is split fairly evenly there is no chance someone will get to 270 with 3 or 4 people in the race. If no one gets to 270 the House will select a president from the 3 or 4 candidates. Republicans would LOVE that. That's why it really has to be a 2 party system.

_________________
Be well

GO BEARS!!!


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Bernie Sanders
PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2016 11:28 am 
Offline
Site Admin
User avatar

Joined: Sun Apr 04, 2010 10:00 am
Posts: 80573
Location: Rogers Park, USA
pizza_Place: JB Alberto's
https://newrepublic.com/article/129433/ ... dnt-matter

_________________
Freedom is our Strength.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Bernie Sanders
PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2016 11:33 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Nov 05, 2015 2:39 pm
Posts: 19525
pizza_Place: Lou Malnati's
Nas wrote:
If the vote is split fairly evenly there is no chance someone will get to 270 with 3 or 4 people in the race. If no one gets to 270 the House will select a president from the 3 or 4 candidates. Republicans would LOVE that. That's why it really has to be a 2 party system.


Doesn't matter if the percentages are diluted, just who is carrying the states. If Sanders and Clinton ran, Trump would likely win. If it was Sanders, Clinton, Trump and Cruz then likely Clinton. Only way it would work for the House is if Sanders took a bunch of states to keep Clinton from 270 while Trump also fell short.



Would need to form coalition governments if it was not two party. Seems like it works in Europe.

_________________
Why are only 14 percent of black CPS 11th-graders proficient in English?

The Missing Link wrote:
For instance they were never taught that Columbus was a slave owner.


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 652 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22  Next

All times are UTC - 6 hours [ DST ]


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 28 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group