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Cruz/Fiorina?

I don't understand this at all. She got something like 7% of the vote and none of those people went off and voted for Trump. So what is the point of naming her now?

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I truly believe that most Americans would prefer to be ruled by a king with power being handed down locally to a noble class.

No question. We're peasants at heart.

Not only is this 1776% true, but it seems like the people who claim to love America the most are the ones most desirous of a monarchy


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Curious Hair wrote:
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I truly believe that most Americans would prefer to be ruled by a king with power being handed down locally to a noble class.

No question. We're peasants at heart.

Not only is this 1776% true, but it seems like the people who claim to love America the most are the ones most desirous of a monarchy


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I don't worry about it because Drumpf ain't winning the White House.


If I were a betting man I would put my money on him.

well, I thought "Hillary won't continue Bill's policies" was an all-timer, but the trolling train keeps topping itself.

No rational human being expects Trump to win the presidency. Even his supporters don't really think he's going to win. Because he's not. Never. Ever. Ever.

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rogers park bryan wrote:
Curious Hair wrote:
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I truly believe that most Americans would prefer to be ruled by a king with power being handed down locally to a noble class.

No question. We're peasants at heart.

Not only is this 1776% true, but it seems like the people who claim to love America the most are the ones most desirous of a monarchy


Shots fired at Rick!
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Look like he ripped off Christine O'Donnell.

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Did Donald Trump Really Take Advantage Of A 9/11 Recovery Program To Make Money?
BY ANDREW HUSBAND • 5/19/2016

Donald Trump‘s name has always been associated with money. Not so much because the New York real-estate mogul is awash in an endless sea of cash, per se, but due to the fact that the pursuit of money is what his personal branding has always been about. Hell, he even turned it into a successful reality-TV show on NBC, which is now led by fellow celebrity-turned-politician Arnold Schwarzenegger. This is especially the case now that Trump has become the presumed Republican presidential nominee, but for reasons more critical than not. That’s because Trump hasn’t released his tax returns to the public yet, and it seems he has no intention of doing so before the November elections. This has many Republicans worried, and even more Democrats feeling triumphant.

Between reports that Trump hasn’t given much to charity, but that his presidential campaign has banked some serious change (despite boasts about self-funding his efforts), the Donald’s biggest talking point has always been his money. According to a recently resurfaced story by the New York Daily News, however, the Republican candidate’s many interviews and speeches have neglected to include the time he made $150,000 off a federal program designed to help small businesses recover after 9/11. Seeing as how Trump isn’t the biggest fan of the word “small,” it’s easy to joke about why he may have forgotten to mention this particular bit of trivia.

Per the NYDN‘s original 2006 story, Trump was one of several “tycoons and huge corporations that received federal 9/11 recovery grants earmarked by Congress for small businesses.” Smaller holdings of massive companies like “Dell Inc., Morgan Stanley, The AXA Group and the Bank of China” were among those who received grants intended for small businesses without massive corporate structures to use as financial cushions in times of loss or need.

One couldn’t tell from ESDC records, for example, that “40 Wall Street LLC” is owned by Trump… But the ESDC’s rules transformed Trump into a small-business man. His company collected a $150,000 grant for losses at 40 Wall St. The grant application describes the corporation through which Trump owns that building as having 28 employees and $26.


As the NYDN investigation determined, the company’s application got it past the ESDC’s (Empire State Development Corp.) distinction between small and big businesses. The “28 employees” line cleared the maximum of 500, but the $26? 40 Wall Street LLC earned $8 million annually at the time, and the small business cutoff was $6 million.

“It’s really indefensible that this money went to big guys like Trump,” New York Rep. Jerry Nadler (D-Manhattan) told the NYDN. Nadler, who helped fund the initiative with his work in Congress, added: “It’s unfortunate because it meant a lot of the small businesses didn’t get that money.” Not only did a lot of small businesses in and around Manhattan not get the money, but many were utterly destroyed by the September 11 terrorist attacks. Not just on the day itself, but by the immediate economic fallout that the ESDC was set up to combat.

In addition to refusing to release his tax returns, Trump has also been called out by critics and watchdogs for two other recent financial dealings — his efforts with veterans, and the heavily litigated Trump University. Not to mention the website his people established to collect donations for wounded veterans reportedly funneling the money directly to the Donald J. Trump Foundation instead. To make matters worse, The Daily Beast recently pointed out that the potential Republican nominee held companies in places like Saudi Arabia, a country he blamed 9/11 on and tried to boycott.

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The Republican Party’s attempt to treat Donald Trump as a normal political candidate would be laughable were it not so perilous to the republic. If only he would mouth the party’s “conservative” principles, all would be well.

But of course the entire Trump phenomenon has nothing to do with policy or ideology. It has nothing to do with the Republican Party, either, except in its historic role as incubator of this singular threat to our democracy. Trump has transcended the party that produced him. His growing army of supporters no longer cares about the party. Because it did not immediately and fully embrace Trump, because a dwindling number of its political and intellectual leaders still resist him, the party is regarded with suspicion and even hostility by his followers. Their allegiance is to him and him alone.

And the source of allegiance? We’re supposed to believe that Trump’s support stems from economic stagnation or dislocation. Maybe some of it does. But what Trump offers his followers are not economic remedies — his proposals change daily. What he offers is an attitude, an aura of crude strength and machismo, a boasting disrespect for the niceties of the democratic culture that he claims, and his followers believe, has produced national weakness and incompetence. His incoherent and contradictory utterances have one thing in common: They provoke and play on feelings of resentment and disdain, intermingled with bits of fear, hatred and anger. His public discourse consists of attacking or ridiculing a wide range of “others” — Muslims, Hispanics, women, Chinese, Mexicans, Europeans, Arabs, immigrants, refugees — whom he depicts either as threats or as objects of derision. His program, such as it is, consists chiefly of promises to get tough with foreigners and people of nonwhite complexion. He will deport them, bar them, get them to knuckle under, make them pay up or make them shut up.


That this tough-guy, get-mad-and-get-even approach has gained him an increasingly large and enthusiastic following has probably surprised Trump as much as anyone else. Trump himself is simply and quite literally an egomaniac. But the phenomenon he has created and now leads has become something larger than him, and something far more dangerous.


Republican politicians marvel at how he has “tapped into” a hitherto unknown swath of the voting public. But what he has tapped into is what the founders most feared when they established the democratic republic: the popular passions unleashed, the “mobocracy.” Conservatives have been warning for decades about government suffocating liberty. But here is the other threat to liberty that Alexis de Tocqueville and the ancient philosophers warned about: that the people in a democracy, excited, angry and unconstrained, might run roughshod over even the institutions created to preserve their freedoms. As Alexander Hamilton watched the French Revolution unfold, he feared in America what he saw play out in France — that the unleashing of popular passions would lead not to greater democracy but to the arrival of a tyrant, riding to power on the shoulders of the people.

This phenomenon has arisen in other democratic and quasi-democratic countries over the past century, and it has generally been called “fascism.” Fascist movements, too, had no coherent ideology, no clear set of prescriptions for what ailed society. “National socialism” was a bundle of contradictions, united chiefly by what, and who, it opposed; fascism in Italy was anti-liberal, anti-democratic, anti-Marxist, anti-capitalist and anti-clerical. Successful fascism was not about policies but about the strongman, the leader (Il Duce, Der Führer), in whom could be entrusted the fate of the nation. Whatever the problem, he could fix it. Whatever the threat, internal or external, he could vanquish it, and it was unnecessary for him to explain how. Today, there is Putinism, which also has nothing to do with belief or policy but is about the tough man who single-handedly defends his people against all threats, foreign and domestic.

To understand how such movements take over a democracy, one only has to watch the Republican Party today. These movements play on all the fears, vanities, ambitions and insecurities that make up the human psyche. In democracies, at least for politicians, the only thing that matters is what the voters say they want — vox populi vox Dei. A mass political movement is thus a powerful and, to those who would oppose it, frightening weapon. When controlled and directed by a single leader, it can be aimed at whomever the leader chooses. If someone criticizes or opposes the leader, it doesn’t matter how popular or admired that person has been. He might be a famous war hero, but if the leader derides and ridicules his heroism, the followers laugh and jeer. He might be the highest-ranking elected guardian of the party’s most cherished principles. But if he hesitates to support the leader, he faces political death.


In such an environment, every political figure confronts a stark choice: Get right with the leader and his mass following or get run over. The human race in such circumstances breaks down into predictable categories — and democratic politicians are the most predictable. There are those whose ambition leads them to jump on the bandwagon. They praise the leader’s incoherent speeches as the beginning of wisdom, hoping he will reward them with a plum post in the new order. There are those who merely hope to survive. Their consciences won’t let them curry favor so shamelessly, so they mumble their pledges of support, like the victims in Stalin’s show trials, perhaps not realizing that the leader and his followers will get them in the end anyway.


A great number will simply kid themselves, refusing to admit that something very different from the usual politics is afoot. Let the storm pass, they insist, and then we can pick up the pieces, rebuild and get back to normal. Meanwhile, don’t alienate the leader’s mass following. After all, they are voters and will need to be brought back into the fold. As for Trump himself, let’s shape him, advise him, steer him in the right direction and, not incidentally, save our political skins.

What these people do not or will not see is that, once in power, Trump will owe them and their party nothing. He will have ridden to power despite the party, catapulted into the White House by a mass following devoted only to him. By then that following will have grown dramatically. Today, less than 5 percent of eligible voters have voted for Trump. But if he wins the election, his legions will likely comprise a majority of the nation. Imagine the power he would wield then. In addition to all that comes from being the leader of a mass following, he would also have the immense powers of the American presidency at his command: the Justice Department, the FBI, the intelligence services, the military. Who would dare to oppose him then? Certainly not a Republican Party that lay down before him even when he was comparatively weak. And is a man like Trump, with infinitely greater power in his hands, likely to become more humble, more judicious, more generous, less vengeful than he is today, than he has been his whole life? Does vast power un-corrupt?


This is how fascism comes to America, not with jackboots and salutes (although there have been salutes, and a whiff of violence) but with a television huckster, a phony billionaire, a textbook egomaniac “tapping into” popular resentments and insecurities, and with an entire national political party — out of ambition or blind party loyalty, or simply out of fear — falling into line behind him.


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Wow a totally original and plausible comparison of Donald Trump to Adolf Hitler! Never seen that before, you know it really makes you think.


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The Republican Party’s attempt to treat Donald Trump as a normal political candidate would be laughable were it not so perilous to the republic. If only he would mouth the party’s “conservative” principles, all would be well.

But of course the entire Trump phenomenon has nothing to do with policy or ideology. It has nothing to do with the Republican Party, either, except in its historic role as incubator of this singular threat to our democracy. Trump has transcended the party that produced him. His growing army of supporters no longer cares about the party. Because it did not immediately and fully embrace Trump, because a dwindling number of its political and intellectual leaders still resist him, the party is regarded with suspicion and even hostility by his followers. Their allegiance is to him and him alone.

And the source of allegiance? We’re supposed to believe that Trump’s support stems from economic stagnation or dislocation. Maybe some of it does. But what Trump offers his followers are not economic remedies — his proposals change daily. What he offers is an attitude, an aura of crude strength and machismo, a boasting disrespect for the niceties of the democratic culture that he claims, and his followers believe, has produced national weakness and incompetence. His incoherent and contradictory utterances have one thing in common: They provoke and play on feelings of resentment and disdain, intermingled with bits of fear, hatred and anger. His public discourse consists of attacking or ridiculing a wide range of “others” — Muslims, Hispanics, women, Chinese, Mexicans, Europeans, Arabs, immigrants, refugees — whom he depicts either as threats or as objects of derision. His program, such as it is, consists chiefly of promises to get tough with foreigners and people of nonwhite complexion. He will deport them, bar them, get them to knuckle under, make them pay up or make them shut up.


That this tough-guy, get-mad-and-get-even approach has gained him an increasingly large and enthusiastic following has probably surprised Trump as much as anyone else. Trump himself is simply and quite literally an egomaniac. But the phenomenon he has created and now leads has become something larger than him, and something far more dangerous.


Republican politicians marvel at how he has “tapped into” a hitherto unknown swath of the voting public. But what he has tapped into is what the founders most feared when they established the democratic republic: the popular passions unleashed, the “mobocracy.” Conservatives have been warning for decades about government suffocating liberty. But here is the other threat to liberty that Alexis de Tocqueville and the ancient philosophers warned about: that the people in a democracy, excited, angry and unconstrained, might run roughshod over even the institutions created to preserve their freedoms. As Alexander Hamilton watched the French Revolution unfold, he feared in America what he saw play out in France — that the unleashing of popular passions would lead not to greater democracy but to the arrival of a tyrant, riding to power on the shoulders of the people.

This phenomenon has arisen in other democratic and quasi-democratic countries over the past century, and it has generally been called “fascism.” Fascist movements, too, had no coherent ideology, no clear set of prescriptions for what ailed society. “National socialism” was a bundle of contradictions, united chiefly by what, and who, it opposed; fascism in Italy was anti-liberal, anti-democratic, anti-Marxist, anti-capitalist and anti-clerical. Successful fascism was not about policies but about the strongman, the leader (Il Duce, Der Führer), in whom could be entrusted the fate of the nation. Whatever the problem, he could fix it. Whatever the threat, internal or external, he could vanquish it, and it was unnecessary for him to explain how. Today, there is Putinism, which also has nothing to do with belief or policy but is about the tough man who single-handedly defends his people against all threats, foreign and domestic.

To understand how such movements take over a democracy, one only has to watch the Republican Party today. These movements play on all the fears, vanities, ambitions and insecurities that make up the human psyche. In democracies, at least for politicians, the only thing that matters is what the voters say they want — vox populi vox Dei. A mass political movement is thus a powerful and, to those who would oppose it, frightening weapon. When controlled and directed by a single leader, it can be aimed at whomever the leader chooses. If someone criticizes or opposes the leader, it doesn’t matter how popular or admired that person has been. He might be a famous war hero, but if the leader derides and ridicules his heroism, the followers laugh and jeer. He might be the highest-ranking elected guardian of the party’s most cherished principles. But if he hesitates to support the leader, he faces political death.


In such an environment, every political figure confronts a stark choice: Get right with the leader and his mass following or get run over. The human race in such circumstances breaks down into predictable categories — and democratic politicians are the most predictable. There are those whose ambition leads them to jump on the bandwagon. They praise the leader’s incoherent speeches as the beginning of wisdom, hoping he will reward them with a plum post in the new order. There are those who merely hope to survive. Their consciences won’t let them curry favor so shamelessly, so they mumble their pledges of support, like the victims in Stalin’s show trials, perhaps not realizing that the leader and his followers will get them in the end anyway.


A great number will simply kid themselves, refusing to admit that something very different from the usual politics is afoot. Let the storm pass, they insist, and then we can pick up the pieces, rebuild and get back to normal. Meanwhile, don’t alienate the leader’s mass following. After all, they are voters and will need to be brought back into the fold. As for Trump himself, let’s shape him, advise him, steer him in the right direction and, not incidentally, save our political skins.

What these people do not or will not see is that, once in power, Trump will owe them and their party nothing. He will have ridden to power despite the party, catapulted into the White House by a mass following devoted only to him. By then that following will have grown dramatically. Today, less than 5 percent of eligible voters have voted for Trump. But if he wins the election, his legions will likely comprise a majority of the nation. Imagine the power he would wield then. In addition to all that comes from being the leader of a mass following, he would also have the immense powers of the American presidency at his command: the Justice Department, the FBI, the intelligence services, the military. Who would dare to oppose him then? Certainly not a Republican Party that lay down before him even when he was comparatively weak. And is a man like Trump, with infinitely greater power in his hands, likely to become more humble, more judicious, more generous, less vengeful than he is today, than he has been his whole life? Does vast power un-corrupt?


This is how fascism comes to America, not with jackboots and salutes (although there have been salutes, and a whiff of violence) but with a television huckster, a phony billionaire, a textbook egomaniac “tapping into” popular resentments and insecurities, and with an entire national political party — out of ambition or blind party loyalty, or simply out of fear — falling into line behind him.

I don't think the author knows the meaning of fascism.

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That is a great line, isnt it?

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Neoconservatives may have killed lots of Americans and non-Americans alike, but Donald Trump killed the most important thing of all: The Discourse.

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Neoconservatives may have killed lots of Americans and non-Americans alike, but Donald Trump killed the most important thing of all: The Discourse.


Disagree. There never was actual discourse.

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Neoconservatives may have killed lots of Americans and non-Americans alike, but Donald Trump killed the most important thing of all: The Discourse.

The discourse of the last 30+ years needs to be summarily dispatched. If The Donald is the vehicle for its destruction, so be it. Good riddance.

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Did Donald Trump Really Take Advantage Of A 9/11 Recovery Program To Make Money?
BY ANDREW HUSBAND • 5/19/2016

Donald Trump‘s name has always been associated with money. Not so much because the New York real-estate mogul is awash in an endless sea of cash, per se, but due to the fact that the pursuit of money is what his personal branding has always been about. Hell, he even turned it into a successful reality-TV show on NBC, which is now led by fellow celebrity-turned-politician Arnold Schwarzenegger. This is especially the case now that Trump has become the presumed Republican presidential nominee, but for reasons more critical than not. That’s because Trump hasn’t released his tax returns to the public yet, and it seems he has no intention of doing so before the November elections. This has many Republicans worried, and even more Democrats feeling triumphant.

Between reports that Trump hasn’t given much to charity, but that his presidential campaign has banked some serious change (despite boasts about self-funding his efforts), the Donald’s biggest talking point has always been his money. According to a recently resurfaced story by the New York Daily News, however, the Republican candidate’s many interviews and speeches have neglected to include the time he made $150,000 off a federal program designed to help small businesses recover after 9/11. Seeing as how Trump isn’t the biggest fan of the word “small,” it’s easy to joke about why he may have forgotten to mention this particular bit of trivia.

Per the NYDN‘s original 2006 story, Trump was one of several “tycoons and huge corporations that received federal 9/11 recovery grants earmarked by Congress for small businesses.” Smaller holdings of massive companies like “Dell Inc., Morgan Stanley, The AXA Group and the Bank of China” were among those who received grants intended for small businesses without massive corporate structures to use as financial cushions in times of loss or need.

One couldn’t tell from ESDC records, for example, that “40 Wall Street LLC” is owned by Trump… But the ESDC’s rules transformed Trump into a small-business man. His company collected a $150,000 grant for losses at 40 Wall St. The grant application describes the corporation through which Trump owns that building as having 28 employees and $26.


As the NYDN investigation determined, the company’s application got it past the ESDC’s (Empire State Development Corp.) distinction between small and big businesses. The “28 employees” line cleared the maximum of 500, but the $26? 40 Wall Street LLC earned $8 million annually at the time, and the small business cutoff was $6 million.

“It’s really indefensible that this money went to big guys like Trump,” New York Rep. Jerry Nadler (D-Manhattan) told the NYDN. Nadler, who helped fund the initiative with his work in Congress, added: “It’s unfortunate because it meant a lot of the small businesses didn’t get that money.” Not only did a lot of small businesses in and around Manhattan not get the money, but many were utterly destroyed by the September 11 terrorist attacks. Not just on the day itself, but by the immediate economic fallout that the ESDC was set up to combat.

In addition to refusing to release his tax returns, Trump has also been called out by critics and watchdogs for two other recent financial dealings — his efforts with veterans, and the heavily litigated Trump University. Not to mention the website his people established to collect donations for wounded veterans reportedly funneling the money directly to the Donald J. Trump Foundation instead. To make matters worse, The Daily Beast recently pointed out that the potential Republican nominee held companies in places like Saudi Arabia, a country he blamed 9/11 on and tried to boycott.

(Via New York Daily News and The Daily Beast)


Isn't there someone running around the country saying she was a Senator that "Got" money for NY when they needed it to be rebuilt? What's her name again?

Would love Trump to say.."yeah, I got the money, because I give the Clintons $100K of it"

$2 Bill cash in the Clinton Foundation Fund. $2 BILL-EE-UN from people that just gave the Clintons money for no alleged reason.

Trump cant be President without repaying some favors and working with people, many that dont like him, but the line for the "programs" and "projects" to be funded will be around the block if Hillary gets in. I am not against the programs in concept, I am against the Government approving $20 Mill here, $15 mill there, for programs developed by "FRIENDS OF BILLARY" and 90% of that money stays with the friends.

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Did Donald Trump Really Take Advantage Of A 9/11 Recovery Program To Make Money?
BY ANDREW HUSBAND • 5/19/2016

Donald Trump‘s name has always been associated with money. Not so much because the New York real-estate mogul is awash in an endless sea of cash, per se, but due to the fact that the pursuit of money is what his personal branding has always been about. Hell, he even turned it into a successful reality-TV show on NBC, which is now led by fellow celebrity-turned-politician Arnold Schwarzenegger. This is especially the case now that Trump has become the presumed Republican presidential nominee, but for reasons more critical than not. That’s because Trump hasn’t released his tax returns to the public yet, and it seems he has no intention of doing so before the November elections. This has many Republicans worried, and even more Democrats feeling triumphant.

Between reports that Trump hasn’t given much to charity, but that his presidential campaign has banked some serious change (despite boasts about self-funding his efforts), the Donald’s biggest talking point has always been his money. According to a recently resurfaced story by the New York Daily News, however, the Republican candidate’s many interviews and speeches have neglected to include the time he made $150,000 off a federal program designed to help small businesses recover after 9/11. Seeing as how Trump isn’t the biggest fan of the word “small,” it’s easy to joke about why he may have forgotten to mention this particular bit of trivia.

Per the NYDN‘s original 2006 story, Trump was one of several “tycoons and huge corporations that received federal 9/11 recovery grants earmarked by Congress for small businesses.” Smaller holdings of massive companies like “Dell Inc., Morgan Stanley, The AXA Group and the Bank of China” were among those who received grants intended for small businesses without massive corporate structures to use as financial cushions in times of loss or need.

One couldn’t tell from ESDC records, for example, that “40 Wall Street LLC” is owned by Trump… But the ESDC’s rules transformed Trump into a small-business man. His company collected a $150,000 grant for losses at 40 Wall St. The grant application describes the corporation through which Trump owns that building as having 28 employees and $26.


As the NYDN investigation determined, the company’s application got it past the ESDC’s (Empire State Development Corp.) distinction between small and big businesses. The “28 employees” line cleared the maximum of 500, but the $26? 40 Wall Street LLC earned $8 million annually at the time, and the small business cutoff was $6 million.

“It’s really indefensible that this money went to big guys like Trump,” New York Rep. Jerry Nadler (D-Manhattan) told the NYDN. Nadler, who helped fund the initiative with his work in Congress, added: “It’s unfortunate because it meant a lot of the small businesses didn’t get that money.” Not only did a lot of small businesses in and around Manhattan not get the money, but many were utterly destroyed by the September 11 terrorist attacks. Not just on the day itself, but by the immediate economic fallout that the ESDC was set up to combat.

In addition to refusing to release his tax returns, Trump has also been called out by critics and watchdogs for two other recent financial dealings — his efforts with veterans, and the heavily litigated Trump University. Not to mention the website his people established to collect donations for wounded veterans reportedly funneling the money directly to the Donald J. Trump Foundation instead. To make matters worse, The Daily Beast recently pointed out that the potential Republican nominee held companies in places like Saudi Arabia, a country he blamed 9/11 on and tried to boycott.

(Via New York Daily News and The Daily Beast)


Isn't there someone running around the country saying she was a Senator that "Got" money for NY when they needed it to be rebuilt? What's her name again?

Would love Trump to say.."yeah, I got the money, because I give the Clintons $100K of it"

$2 Bill cash in the Clinton Foundation Fund. $2 BILL-EE-UN from people that just gave the Clintons money for no alleged reason.

Trump cant be President without repaying some favors and working with people, many that dont like him, but the line for the "programs" and "projects" to be funded will be around the block if Hillary gets in. I am not against the programs in concept, I am against the Government approving $20 Mill here, $15 mill there, for programs developed by "FRIENDS OF BILLARY" and 90% of that money stays with the friends.

The Clinton Foundation is nothing but a depository for future favors due those who contribute, a slush fund of crony capitalism. Bill gets a half a million per speech. Does anyone think it's really for the content? No, it's just a hedge banking on his wife becoming president.

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This sums him up perfectly.

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Less than a year ago no one thought this was possible. Then it was going to be a contested convention, but he kept beating all the odds. Love him or hate him, dude has had an amazing year.

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Donald Trump has reached the number of delegates needed to clinch the GOP presidential nomination, securing his status as the presumptive Republican nominee and avoiding a contested convention, according to a delegate count released Thursday by the Associated Press.

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It's legitimately crazy and a hell of a feat.

He will be the President.

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It's legitimately crazy and a hell of a feat.

He will be the President.


:lol:

Bruh...

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Terry's Peeps wrote:
It's legitimately crazy and a hell of a feat.

He will be the President.


:lol:

Bruh...


Not my choice but...

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Maybe he should donate some of that money to veterans....


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Maybe he should donate some of that money to veterans....


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I love the veterans...especially the ones that were never captured.

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I love veterans. Had I been a veteran, I would have been an amazing one. Perhaps one of the best veterans ever. I would have never been caught and I would have slayed my emenies where they stood. And as I veteran I wouldn't need money because of the country. I was such a good veteran, I would still donate to other veterans.


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Haha, he starts to gain and even lead in some polls and then like clockwork be starts the "Judge Thing" and kills the momentum....almost like he did it on purpose.....like be really doesn't want to run an actual campaign and doesn't even want to be there.


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Haha, he starts to gain and even lead in some polls and then like clockwork be starts the "Judge Thing" and kills the momentum....almost like he did it on purpose.....like be really doesn't want to run an actual campaign and doesn't even want to be there.

If I thought he was that clever, I'd say it's like he's flying thermals in an unpowered glider ... maybe you have to lose some altitude to catch a boost to shoot you higher for an extended run.

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