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PostPosted: Fri May 27, 2016 9:43 am 
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Bernie Bros are an odd group.


From the guy who tells others to fuck themselves on rusty poles.


Why are you so angry Leash?


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 Post subject: Re: Bernie Trump Debate?
PostPosted: Fri May 27, 2016 9:45 am 
Who said I was a Hillary man? There's a big difference between Bernie supporters and Bernie Bros.


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Who said I was a Hillary man? There's a big difference between Bernie supporters and Bernie Bros.

Sorry, just assume anyone using That Word is #withher.

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 Post subject: Re: Bernie Trump Debate?
PostPosted: Fri May 27, 2016 9:56 am 
Nope. I wasn't #readyforhillary this time or the last time or any other time. She will be the Dem nominee. Trump is a dangerous man. There are GOP candidates that I would have voted for. Now I'm going to have to hold my nose and vote Hill Dawg. I'd much rather pull a lever for Bernie, as I did in the primary, but he lost. Move on. Stop Trump. That's what you do.


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There are GOP candidates that I would have voted for.
Who?

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 Post subject: Re: Bernie Trump Debate?
PostPosted: Fri May 27, 2016 9:58 am 
At the onset I was a Jeb guy.


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At the onset I was a Jeb guy.
Don't you completely hate his brother? :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Bernie Trump Debate?
PostPosted: Fri May 27, 2016 10:03 am 
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 Post subject: Re: Bernie Trump Debate?
PostPosted: Fri May 27, 2016 10:19 am 
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At the onset I was a Jeb guy.
Don't you completely hate his brother? :lol:

Yes I do. I also love slick Willie. Why does that matter one bit?

I also said "at the onset". Then he campaigned on a return to W and I put up TB's "not interested" sign. Up until Satan dropped out I thought for sure the GOP would come out of the convention with Paul Ryan / Brian Sanduval. I would have voted for that ticket.


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I also said "at the onset". Then he campaigned on a return to W and I put up TB's "not interested" sign. Up until Satan dropped out I thought for sure the GOP would come out of the convention with Paul Ryan / Brian Sanduval. I would have voted for that ticket.


Paul Ryan? Yeah, Atlas Shrugged is a viable plan for running government.

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 Post subject: Re: Bernie Trump Debate?
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Paul Ryan to Bernie Sanders is quite a swing. :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Bernie Trump Debate?
PostPosted: Fri May 27, 2016 10:53 am 
Bernie isn't going to get nominated. If you say it out loud it helps make acceptance easier.


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Bernie isn't going to get nominated. If you say it out loud it helps make acceptance easier.
I've been celebrating it for a while.

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 Post subject: Re: Bernie Trump Debate?
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Bernie isn't going to get nominated. If you say it out loud it helps make acceptance easier.


It is an internal monologue playing out in public?

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 Post subject: Re: Bernie Trump Debate?
PostPosted: Fri May 27, 2016 10:56 am 
No. This is me answering a question from BRick. Then me making fun of the rest of you.


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No. This is me answering a question from BRick. Then me making fun of the rest of you.


If you say that out loud it makes it easier to accept.

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 Post subject: Re: Bernie Trump Debate?
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No. This is me answering a question from BRick. Then me making fun of the rest of you.
But you originally wanted Jeb!, then Paul Ryan, but then you switched to Bernie, while eventually settling on Hillary.

That is quite a ride.

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 Post subject: Re: Bernie Trump Debate?
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Hillary never threatened to take the fight up through the convention. She also never attempted to sway superdelegates. She also didn't incessantly whine about the process. She accepted the eventual outcome. I don't think Sanders is going to do that


:lol: What? She did every one of those things, and she might be the most entitled politician I've ever seen. Her behavior this election is essentially "how dare someone challenge my throne". Your bias is blatant and obvious.



So is yours. By May of 08' Hills was playing out the string. Everyone was calling for her to get out. She didn't get out, but she also didn't engage in an Obama rip fest either. (By that point). She was much closer than Sanders also. I also think when it was all said and done she had more votes than Obama. (don't quote me). At no point did she ever threaten to shake up the convention either.
(as Sanders is threatening to do). She also accepted the decision of the superdelegates.

Bill Clinton also helped put Obama over at the convention. His speech was much better than Obama's. Hillary Clinton never came off as the sore loser that Sanders is turning out to be.

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Hillary never threatened to take the fight up through the convention. She also never attempted to sway superdelegates. She also didn't incessantly whine about the process. She accepted the eventual outcome. I don't think Sanders is going to do that

This may be your worst post ever. Don't be silly.


That's covering a lot of territory. I never recall her threatening to fight Obama up through the convention. She stayed in the race until the end of the primary season and she bowed out after the last primary. Those are facts.

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 Post subject: Re: Bernie Trump Debate?
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This may be your worst post ever. Don't be silly.

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That's covering a lot of territory.


:lol:

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Bill Clinton also helped put Obama over at the convention. His speech was much better than Obama's. Hillary Clinton never came off as the sore loser that Sanders is turning out to be.



You should also respond to the 12 other people who disagreed with you, including a Hillary supporter.

You're thinking of 2012 on the Bill Clinton speech, also. That wasn't 2008.

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Hillary never threatened to take the fight up through the convention. She also never attempted to sway superdelegates. She also didn't incessantly whine about the process. She accepted the eventual outcome. I don't think Sanders is going to do that


:lol: What? She did every one of those things, and she might be the most entitled politician I've ever seen. Her behavior this election is essentially "how dare someone challenge my throne". Your bias is blatant and obvious.



So is yours. By May of 08' Hills was playing out the string. Everyone was calling for her to get out. She didn't get out, but she also didn't engage in an Obama rip fest either. (By that point). She was much closer than Sanders also. I also think when it was all said and done she had more votes than Obama. (don't quote me). At no point did she ever threaten to shake up the convention either.
(as Sanders is threatening to do). She also accepted the decision of the superdelegates.

Bill Clinton also helped put Obama over at the convention. His speech was much better than Obama's. Hillary Clinton never came off as the sore loser that Sanders is turning out to be.


You are lying through you teeth on this.

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Clinton’s campaign hoped for a bombshell that would undermine Obama’s nomination — the potential existence of an alleged tape (which never materialized) showing Michelle Obama using the word “whitey” animated the Clintons in the final months of the campaign.


Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/04/h ... z49sIbITxm

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Hillary never threatened to take the fight up through the convention. She also never attempted to sway superdelegates. She also didn't incessantly whine about the process. She accepted the eventual outcome. I don't think Sanders is going to do that


:lol: What? She did every one of those things, and she might be the most entitled politician I've ever seen. Her behavior this election is essentially "how dare someone challenge my throne". Your bias is blatant and obvious.



So is yours. By May of 08' Hills was playing out the string. Everyone was calling for her to get out. She didn't get out, but she also didn't engage in an Obama rip fest either. (By that point). She was much closer than Sanders also. I also think when it was all said and done she had more votes than Obama. (don't quote me). At no point did she ever threaten to shake up the convention either.
(as Sanders is threatening to do). She also accepted the decision of the superdelegates.

Bill Clinton also helped put Obama over at the convention. His speech was much better than Obama's. Hillary Clinton never came off as the sore loser that Sanders is turning out to be.



She was still saying reckless stuff in May of 2008. You're mixing up 2008 and 20012 when it comes to Bill Clinton.

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 Post subject: Re: Bernie Trump Debate?
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Rick is dead on.

As for changes to our system, you are inviting more serious problems. The only changes that I have seen at the state level that may make sense are:

-Independent mapping for Congressional Districts. Illinois will vote on this in a referendum in November unless the courts block the current proposal.
-Open primaries that are now the law in California. Presumably, this change moves candidates to the middle instead of the extreme. If you are not aware of the system, simply, all candidates run in the same primary regardless of party, and the two highest vote getters square off in the general. Thus you could have two Dems or two Repubs running against one another. It forces candidates to move to the middle to attract votes in both parties.

If you try to change the system to a more parliamentary or proportional representation system, the following flaws crop up:
-Coalition governments. While that sounds great, it gives outsize power to small minority parties as they become kingmakers. It is actually how the Nazis rose in Germany.
-Small interest group parties like in Brazil where there are several dozen parties in government. In those cases, you have to buy off many small parties just to get anything done. This means dolling out graft and plum ministerial jobs. With no one party in control, you cannot drive any serious agenda.
-Extremely weak governments that fall quickly. Japan had a run where no prime minister lasted a year. Australia has been dealing with non stop PM changes. Portugal, Belgium and Spain cannot form governments because of no clear winner in elections. I think Belgium is close to two years without a government.

The main problem with the U.S. System is that political climate is one of brinkmanship. It is almost a cultural aversion to compromise (sound like Springfield?). For whatever reason, folks think they can get 100% of what they want instead of finding middle ground to give both sides something in any piece of legislation. The system is not designed to have one party control all branches of government and ram through changes. That is the inherent checks and balances built into the Constitution that makes for stability in government and laws.


The biggest problem with our system is that the executive branch has become way, way, way more powerful than it was ever intended to be. A silver lining to a Trump presidency might be that we'll finally learn to exit the business of choosing an emperor.

You're citing Belgium and Brazil as examples of parliamentary system failing when we would have far more in common with the UK and Canada, whose parliaments seem about as solid as can be, than with small or developing nations.

I share your concern with the kingmaking minority parties, as one of ours would invariably be some sort of Dixiecrat/Neo-Confederate faction of southern white supremacists. People like them could indeed have outsize authority in how our government comes together, but then again, don't they already?


Disagree. Trump would be the worst type of authoritarian. There is no way that he will be able to work with others. I expect the amount of executive orders to increase exponentially as a result of his presidency.

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Disagree. Trump would be the worst type of authoritarian. There is no way that he will be able to work with others. I expect the amount of executive orders to increase exponentially as a result of his presidency.


You have awarded Trump the presidency?

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Disagree. Trump would be the worst type of authoritarian. There is no way that he will be able to work with others. I expect the amount of executive orders to increase exponentially as a result of his presidency.


You have awarded Trump the presidency?


No. I'm just envisioning what a Trump presidency would entail. There is no way that a guy that is as enamored with himself as Trump would ever be able to work in a coalition styled govt. He would be the worst form of chief executive that this country has ever seen.

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As much as I would love to see the establishment get screwed Trump would be a complete disaster. No one would be more dangerous militarily. Domestically I don't think he really makes a difference. Probably wouldn't be much worse than our last few presidents.

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Probably wouldn't be much worse than our last few presidents.


Probably worse than Bush, but who else are we talkin' here?

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LTG, are you going to respond to any of the numerous articles and rebuttals to your position that Hillary was a gracious team player in 2008?

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