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PostPosted: Wed May 25, 2016 8:39 pm 
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Per Buster Onley, the Yankees will be gauging interest in trading one of these lefties and the Cubs clearly have a need. Not sure if I'd want Chapman (is he a good teammate?) but he would come much cheaper than Miller who has 2 years left on his contract.

Given their redundancy, guys like Gleyber Torres, Billy McKinney, Jeimer Candelario, Eloy Jimenez and more would all be expendable and have value to an old Yankees team desperate for new blood.

To me, you pay the prospect price and you go get Miller.


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Yes, I would like to see a deal for one of these guys. Miller, due to club control would be more desirable. However, Chapman would come a lot cheaper since he is going to be a free agent. They need a good situational lefty.

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Bad women beating optics. Would like to see B&B spin that one.

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Bad women beating optics. Would like to see B&B spin that one.


The first time Rizzo and Chapman got together might be interesting. Do they embrace, with Rizzo happy to have him on his side? Or is it a cool interaction, with each going through the motions, but really not warming up to each other too quickly? When Rizzo went after Chapman and charged their dugout, was when he became the team leader.

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Bad women beating optics. Would like to see B&B spin that one.


The first time Rizzo and Chapman got together might be interesting. Do they embrace, with Rizzo happy to have him on his side? Or is it a cool interaction, with each going through the motions, but really not warming up to each other too quickly? When Rizzo went after Chapman and charged their dugout, was when he became the team leader.


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Both guys are nasty. And you know they're doing their due diligence on both of them.

They definitely need to get a dominant lefty and even another dominant righty wouldn't hurt. Strop scares me in the playoffs.


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This is actually a decent question.. I think NY would like to keep miller n move Chapman...miller brings back more and that's who I want...NY should be dead n buried in 2 weeks..3@ most.

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Exactly. Gets pulled with a 12-1 lead.

Just a matter of time before he is DFA'd.


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This is actually a decent question.. I think NY would like to keep miller n move Chapman...miller brings back more and that's who I want...NY should be dead n buried in 2 weeks..3@ most.


Yea, NY is toast and badly in need of young talent which the Cubs have plenty of.


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Will the Cubs Target Stud Lefty Andrew Miller in Trade This Season?


in Analysis and Commentary / Chicago Cubs Rumors — by Brett Taylor (@BleacherNation, bnbrett)— May 27, 2016

Over the past several years, the New York Yankees have subtly shifted their organizational approach from constantly churning older, expensive, but still-mostly-productive players in order to stay in contention (and continuously bloat payroll with dead money), to a more steady, youthful building process.

No, they weren’t quite rebuilding, but the Yankees have now largely stayed out of the deep end of free agency for two years now.

One notable exception there is reliever Andrew Miller, one of the studliest relief arms in the game today, whom the Yankees signed for a sigh-why-didn’t-other-teams-have-the-same-foresight four-year, $36 million deal before the 2015 season. I say it that way, because I was pretty high on the Cubs going after Miller before that season, even though it was not to be.

Fast-forward to 2016, after another dominating season by Miller in 2015, and an absurd start to the season in 2016:0.96 ERA, 1.26 FIP, 0.88 xFIP, 18.2 innings, and – wait for it – 47.1% K rate, 1.4% BB rate (not made up numbers). The Yankees stand at 22-24, already 6.5 games back of the Boston Red Sox, and not looking like an especially competitive team this year. Having Aroldis Chapman back in the fold, and Alex Rodriguez returning from an injury will help, but I’m not sure they’re going to be able to hang around all year, even in the Wild Card race.

And if the Yankees come to see it the same way, it’s very possible they could deal off some of their more valuable, short-term chips … like Miller.

Indeed, Buster Olney writes about that very topic, hearing from a rival evaluator that Miller’s clear highest and best value to the Yankees is in trade. Olney adds, while discussing potentially interested teams: “Miller would presumably draw significant interest from the Cubs, who are in win-now mode; let’s remember that Cubs exec Theo Epstein already has dealt for Miller once before, acquiring him from the Marlins in November 2010 to pitch for the Red Sox.”

Set to make just $9 million per season through 2018, Miller, 31, is among the most valuable relievers in all of baseball, and arguably one of the most effective overall players. Consider something I wrote in the offseason when the possibility of the Yankees shopping Miller after acquiring Chapman came up, and rumors connected him to the Cubs:

After reinventing himself as a reliever with the Red Sox – a process that started in 2011, by the way, when Theo Epstein was still in charge there – Miller has emerged as one of the best relievers in the game the last two years, posting utterly ridiculous numbers (ERAs, FIPs, and xFIPs all right at or below 2.00, and WARs of 2.2 and 2.0 in just 60ish innings of work). He has worked the most important innings in those years – in the tightest games at the tightest moments, when the win probability is most fundamentally shifted in one direction or the other*. Hence his win probability added (WPA) of 5.8 over those two years, making him the 13th most valuable pitcher in all of baseball – including starters – by WPA in 2014 and 2015 ….

*(Yes, runs in the first inning count just as much as runs in the 8th or 9th inning. But in the first inning, you don’t know if you’re playing in a 5-4 game or a 10-0 laugher. Late-inning, elite relievers can be brought into games when you already know that the stakes are at their highest, and appearing in that particular game (as opposed to yesterday or the next day) is incredibly valuable.)

The long and the short there? Miller isn’t just an incredible reliever, he is also probably disproportionately valuable compared to the actual time he spends in games. He’s not just another good relief arm to consider adding.
Of course, the Cubs already have at least one reliever who is, himself, already up there in the tier of the best relievers in baseball (Hector Rondon), and it’s not as though the bullpen is a disaster.

But should Miller be made available, the Cubs are going to have to consider how much his addition could help them down the stretch and into the playoffs. It’s a rare player at whom I’d look and think, “Yeah, the potential impact in the playoffs, specifically, is tantalizing,” but an overpowering reliever – a guy who can shut another team down in the biggest moments of the biggest games of the year – is in that rare class.

How exactly Miller would fit into the mix, and how the “roles” would be impacted in the Cubs’ pen seems like the kind of thing you worry about after seeing if a move is realistic in the first place, not the kind of thing that deters you from even exploring the move.

Furthermore, let’s keep in mind that Miller is under team control through 2018, so adding him this season would be about much more than just 2016.

I don’t want to get anyone too riled up about this right now, because there’s a whole lot of ifs and whens and maybes built into a conversation about the *Yankees* selling off an asset for prospects/younger players in late *May.* I also don’t want to mislead anyone into thinking that, if Miller is made available, the competition for his services wouldn’t be intense, or the price wouldn’t be significant.

Olney mentions several other potentially interested teams, and also acknowledges the possibility that the Yankees would prefer to deal Chapman, who is a free agent after this season (though the return would be less).

But, since it really is plausible that the Yankees could sell a bit, and it really is plausible that Miller could be shopped, I think this is worth keeping on our radar.

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Both guys are nasty. And you know they're doing their due diligence on both of them.

They definitely need to get a dominant lefty and even another dominant righty wouldn't hurt. Strop scares me in the playoffs.



I like Strop, but you can't pitch the same guys (Strop and Rondon) every day. I'm not going to count on Joe Nathan, though it would be great if he turns out capable of helping in a couple months. They need a lefty specialist most of all and another short guy for the 7th-8th inning would be great.

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Both guys are nasty. And you know they're doing their due diligence on both of them.

They definitely need to get a dominant lefty and even another dominant righty wouldn't hurt. Strop scares me in the playoffs.



I like Strop, but you can't pitch the same guys (Strop and Rondon) every day. I'm not going to count on Joe Nathan, though it would be great if he turns out capable of helping in a couple months. They need a lefty specialist most of all and another short guy for the 7th-8th inning would be great.


Agreed that they need bullpen upgrades. Nathan was good strictly as a flier butting getting a proven healthy late inning option will definitely happen at some point. And you know this front office is going over every option.

And getting back to Miller, he fills 3 needs: backup closer, dominant lefty and another proven back end arm adding to their depth.

Pay the price in minor league talent and get him.


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Hard to bitch about Cubs baseball this season but Clayton Richard needs to go bye bye.

3 LH batters, 3 hits, 1 run and pulled.

DFA this bum!


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Hard to bitch about Cubs baseball this season but Clayton Richard needs to go bye bye.

3 LH batters, 3 hits, 1 run and pulled.

DFA this bum!

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Yeah not a good day for him

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Hard to bitch about Cubs baseball this season but Clayton Richard needs to go bye bye.

3 LH batters, 3 hits, 1 run and pulled.

DFA this bum!

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Yeah not a good day for him

I said this after his last grand performance. My daughters favorite player after Schwarber though so bittersweet for me and her.


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Any chance NY takes Hendricks and Almora for Miller?

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Bad women beating optics. Would like to see B&B spin that one.


The first time Rizzo and Chapman got together might be interesting. Do they embrace, with Rizzo happy to have him on his side? Or is it a cool interaction, with each going through the motions, but really not warming up to each other too quickly? When Rizzo went after Chapman and charged their dugout, was when he became the team leader.


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Any chance NY takes Hendricks and Almora for Miller?


They should. I'd prefer they trade other guys not in positions of need organization wise.


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Any chance NY takes Hendricks and Almora for Miller?

Almora and someone other than Hendricks yes. Cannot trade a good starter for relief help.


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Any chance NY takes Hendricks and Almora for Miller?

Almora and someone other than Hendricks yes. Cannot trade a good starter for relief help.





He's more than relief help, he'd be the best cubs closer in my lifetime..maybe yours.. I hear radio guys saying " no way you trade Schwarber for a bullpen arm" .... Think of him as Mariano Rivera ...I'd trade Schwarber for Miller right now..it sounds like that's what the yanks want..give it to him..dude is destined to be a dh with a rebuilt knee..

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You can't trade Schwarber. He's going to be a Hall Of Famer.


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You can't trade Schwarber. He's going to be a Hall Of Famer.


Hanley was taking on angry callers this morning who were incensed at the thought of trading Schwarber. "Is he rehabbing in Bethlehem or Cooperstown?" :lol:

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You can't trade Schwarber. He's going to be a Hall Of Famer.


Hanley was taking on angry callers this morning who were incensed at the thought of trading Schwarber. "Is he rehabbing in Bethlehem or Cooperstown?" :lol:


Wow...thats actually a good line out of Hanley. Blind squirrel.

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I'd trade Schwarber, but maybe not for Andrew Miller.

Most teams regret investing heavily in bullpens.

And Rondon deserves to remain the closer, no matter who is acquired.

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Make this happen, Schwarber can play first and DH and emergency catcher for NY..

7th- Strop
8th-Rondon
9th- Miller

We got a pen like KC and better bats and skipper.

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