dude better be a gold glover. no power no walks.

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He said his ceiling could be multiple gold gloves. Way to twist his words. You remind me of my X-wife.

Maybe if the White Sox and their fans had a little more patience, you would have held on to some of your young prospects instead of trading them all away for aging veterans.

Look another HR from Frazier to go along with his .216 average as the White Sox lose again. Meanwhile in LA .....

Trayce Thompson drills another walk-off homer to lift Dodgers

Fox Sports · 32 minutes ago

You need a starter, well you traded two time all star Gio Gonzalez to the Phillies for an aging J.Thome

Need a SS/2B? M.Semien is doing pretty good in OAK. But you just couldn't resist the talents of Jeff Samardzija.


Maybe watch old tape of the 2005 team the next decade or so, because your team is not making the playoffs anytime soon. OAK, LA, WAS say thank you for the young prospects you sent their way!

What I said had nothing to do with the Sox or their now gone prospects but thanks for typing anyway. Read my point where I said claiming his ceiling there is preposterous because he will never sniff a gold glove in the NL. The link below isn't just NL but you can tell me which ones are worrying about Almora's ceiling.

http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/12506 ... r-fielders

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He's supposed to be a real good defensive outfielder. Not sure what is so crazy about predicting if everything goes right (definition of a ceiling) he wins a Gold Glove or two?


Rodon's ceiling is a Cy Young. Doesn't mean it will happen. Chill out

Well mike, from the list you linked to:

1. Trout - AL
2. McCutchen - defense declining
3. Gomez - AL
4. Jones - AL
5. Ellsbury - AL
6. Cain - AL
7. Ozuna - good defender
8. Hamilton - good defender
9. Myers - plays 1B
10. Lagares - a 4th OF

Give him a break. He has to juggle multiple relationships.

Well he is also hitting .318 in Iowa so are you telling me he is going to hit .318 in the majors?

Look...when you're hitting everything...your walk rate tends to go down. Last season he had 32 walks in 451 PA. That isn't bad.

He is 22...and if anyone of the Soler / Baez / Almora crew of free swingers can develop discipline, it is Almora.

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There is no basis for this other than the fatigue Cubs fans have developed for Baez and Soler.

Both those players you listed have improved in their plate discipline.

He isn't a power guy. He doesn't swing for the fences on 0-2.

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Never saw him play can't judge him

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I'm going to bounce from the spot for awhile but I will be back at some point to argue with you about this hoops stuff again. Playoffs have been great this season. See ya up the road.

I'm out.

Jesus Christ, do people not understand the meaning of the word "ceiling" in this context? It means "the absolute fucking best he will ever be if everything works out amazingly perfectly."

Yes, I believe his CEILING is .285/.305/.390 and Garry Maddox/Ken Griffey level fielding and throwing arm. His entire offensive game appears to be contact, relatively low strikeout rates and tiny walk rates. [EDITED TO ADD: It would be great if he could learn from Rizzo how to routinely get hit by pitches.]

Perhaps I should have said "leads outfielders in dWAR" instead of the politicized "winning a Gold Glove." I am terribly sorry that I offended your fucking sense of baseball knowledge.

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its OK, just don't do it again.

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Never mind, I thought you were pittmike.

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Outfield assist at the plate in his first inning in the bigs. Not bad rook.

Exactly what part of

41-17

is inflated?

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Some people in the media are being stupid and clickbaity.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/thi ... 538twitter

As a Cub fan, this is such embarassingly bad math it makes me want to hug a White Sox fan. Compare a 162 game 30-team majors where you play about 19 other teams accounting for interleague play with a 16-team 154-team majors where you play 7 and with no black people allowed to play, and then use WAR. If you're going to do that, then at least figure out the value of the 16th white guy at each position and go from there as "replacement."

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Then you'll love this one:

https://theringer.com/chicago-cubs-2016 ... .wu2ijkoln

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Almora is not likely to have as high an OBP as Fowler, so after he takes over CF there will be some people lamenting the fact that Fowler moved on (assuming he does). But he will play a better CF (maybe even win a gold glove) and hit for an average probably higher than Fowlers .250 in 2015.But with a much lower walk rate, his OBP will not be as high. But after a couple years I think Almora will have developed into the decidedly better player.

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This is just stupid. Fowler is one of the best CF in the game.

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Not defensively. He has had negative grades as a CF before this year. He made positive strides last year, but still wound up with a negative WAR for his defense. So far this year, he's been a bit better, but he's no gold glove candidate. One of the reasons he has not been more sought after, has been his defense. Almora on the other hand, is an exceptional defender. Takes better routes on balls, has better speed and a better arm. The only question Almora has had, was whether or not he would hit enough at the major league level.

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How many runs do you see Fowler give up? Truly?

Do you think catching three more fly balls per season is going to make up for 50 less times on base?.and less stolen bases?

The Cubs have had terrible CF and terrible leadoff men for decades. You're so willing to give the one good one up?

Fucking stupid. Just because he wasn't homegrown or part of the original plan. Stupid.

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The 41 part.

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I think Fowler is a credible CF. But Almora is better. He will get to and catch fly balls that Fowler would not. I have seen probably 3-4 balls hit this season that I thought Fowler could have caught, but didn't. Balls that Almora would have caught. Balls only a great CF would get to, but that is what Almora is. yes, the Cubs lacked a good leadoff hitter before Fowler, but Zobrist leads the league in OBP, so I think he could fill that role. If they were to keep him, then you are retarding the development of a player that they expect to be very good. I'm glad they kept Fowler for this year and it was perfect to have him on a 1 year deal. It allows him to shop himself around again after a good season and allowed Almora a little more time to be ready to take over that spot. If Fowler finishes the season with a .310 -.320 batting average rather than the .250 he finished with last year, he's going to cash in big time. A team needs to have some positions where they have younger, cost-controlled players in place, to be sure there is money available for guys like say Arrieta or other pitchers. After next year Jake will be a free agent and Lackey will be too. At 38, I doubt they will bring Lackey back and Jake may find an offer he can't refuse elsewhere. So they are going to have to dip back in the free agent pool for a couple pitchers most likely. So having guys like Contreras at Catcher and Almora in CF who are cost controlled, rather than higher priced guys like Fowler and Montero, will help. The Cubs have money, but it's not a limitless payroll and I don't just want them in place because they will be far cheaper, but because I believe they will both be good too.

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You didn't read this ...did you ...the Cubs are under preforming... they should have 2=4 more wins

https://theringer.com/chicago-cubs-2016 ... .wu2ijkoln

The guy who wrote is a Royals fan but he is unbiased regarding other teams.

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You think the Cubs will finish the year with a .707 or higher winning percentage?

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If they think Fowler is legit and can sign him long term, I could see them moving Soler this summer, sliding Fowler to LF and letting Almora take CF. Fowler, Almora, and Heyward would be an insane defensive line up. That would also help to hide Schwarber in the OF when he comes back.

I didn't say that... are you saying they aren't a 100 win team?

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I'm saying they aren't a .707 team.

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and the article agrees with you. Using the pythagorean method they should have 3-5 more wins.

Here is the chart from BP: http://www.baseballprospectus.com/standings/

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