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PostPosted: Wed Jun 08, 2016 9:47 am 
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slacktivism is overwhelming with this case.

taking the long view the guy's life is forever diminished given his favorable circumstances. he'll have to answer yes to "are you a felon?" and register as a sex offender.

no idea why putting him in jail makes the situation better.

my guess is majority of the people yelling are for "rehabilitation>punishment" but in this case it's lock him up forever?


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if i'm overestimating the impact of being a felon and sex offender in hiring of professional services which he was destined for then increased jail may be the right punishment.


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if i'm overestimating the impact of being a felon and sex offender in hiring of professional services which he was destined for then increased jail may be the right punishment.
I'm a little confused. You think 6 months for rape is ok?

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if i'm overestimating the impact of being a felon and sex offender in hiring of professional services which he was destined for then increased jail may be the right punishment.
I'm a little confused. You think 6 months for rape is ok?

I don't know.

I'm not educated in sociology/criminology and psychology to know length of jail works best as a punishment and/or deterrent for future cases.

It feels light but there's the fact he's forever tarnished his life's prospects (maybe?).

I'm one of those bleeding hearts who hates the US for having so many people locked up. So my opinion is definitely soft.


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I am certainly not in this guy's corner but without looking it up I could not tell you the average sentence for college date rape.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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if i'm overestimating the impact of being a felon and sex offender in hiring of professional services which he was destined for then increased jail may be the right punishment.
I'm a little confused. You think 6 months for rape is ok?


I don't know if it is or isn't, but I will say that anyone who thinks six months in prison is no big deal has never spent a single night locked up. In this case though, I read that he won't even be going to prison. He's going to be held in the local jail and he will probably be released in three months or so. I think we should all be able to agree that that's a slap on the wrist for what he did.

Also, let's not get confused about what happened here. This wasn't some ambiguous thing with two drunken kids fucking around and the woman regretting it the next day. This asshole was trying to fuck her while she was unconscious.

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I am certainly not in this guy's corner but without looking it up I could not tell you the average sentence for college date rape.


This wasn't really college date rape.

This was a dude fucking an unconscious woman.

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Couple of years in maximum security. let him get raped and see how he likes it.

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Terry's Peeps wrote:
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I am certainly not in this guy's corner but without looking it up I could not tell you the average sentence for college date rape.


This wasn't really college date rape.

This was a dude fucking an unconscious woman.


I'll argue all day that a drunken person can consent to sex. And that being drunk doesn't mean you aren't responsible for your actions while drunk. (If you aren't then this goof committed no crime). You certainly cannot consent to anything if you are not conscious.

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Not rape

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Turner, 20, was found guilty of three felony sexual assault counts for the January 2015 attack; he was convicted of assault with intent to commit rape of an intoxicated woman, sexually penetrating an intoxicated person with a foreign object, and sexually penetrating an unconscious person with a foreign object. The two formal charges of rape under California state law were dropped at the preliminary hearing.


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 70226.html


No idea what the "foreign object" was...He basically was dry humping and fingerbanging the completely passed out girl...and possibly getting ready to try and screw her when he got caught in the act and ran.

I guess brock can go into business for himself somehow...otherwise he's showing employers that he's a felony sexual assaulter the rest of his life. In my opinion, he should have been given some hard time...2-3 years maybe. The prosecutor asked for 6...probably knowing it'd get knocked down. Sucks to be him...but he earned it.

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Terry's Peeps wrote:
pittmike wrote:
I am certainly not in this guy's corner but without looking it up I could not tell you the average sentence for college date rape.


This wasn't really college date rape.

This was a dude fucking an unconscious woman.



Oh, with just glancing I assumed more like date rape. I imagine a lot of frat house rapes are of unconscious women.

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I imagine a lot of frat house rapes are of unconscious women.


Well, those are rapes. We should just call them rapes. They require no qualifiers or modifiers. But that's part of the problem with expanding the definition of rape and/or sexual assault. We've gotten to a point where there are a lot of women who think some asshole whistling at them constitutes a sexual assault.

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I imagine a lot of frat house rapes are of unconscious women.


Well, those are rapes. We should just call them rapes. They require no qualifiers or modifiers. But that's part of the problem with expanding the definition of rape and/or sexual assault. We've gotten to a point where there are a lot of women who think some asshole whistling at them constitutes a sexual assault.


I did see a stat that 23% of college women felt they had been touched inappropriately at some point. I could certainly believe that...with virtually 0% of the situations being instances of assault.

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slacktivism is overwhelming with this case.

taking the long view the guy's life is forever diminished given his favorable circumstances. he'll have to answer yes to "are you a felon?" and register as a sex offender.

no idea why putting him in jail makes the situation better.

my guess is majority of the people yelling are for "rehabilitation>punishment" but in this case it's lock him up forever?

Most often those statements have a "non violent" caveat. Don't hear too many people complaining about rapists or murderers being in prison.


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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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if i'm overestimating the impact of being a felon and sex offender in hiring of professional services which he was destined for then increased jail may be the right punishment.
I'm a little confused. You think 6 months for rape is ok?

I don't know.

I'm not educated in sociology/criminology and psychology to know length of jail works best as a punishment and/or deterrent for future cases.

It feels light but there's the fact he's forever tarnished his life's prospects (maybe?).

I'm one of those bleeding hearts who hates the US for having so many people locked up. So my opinion is definitely soft.


That woman will have to live with something far worse for the rest of her life.

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I'll never understand. But what's too much? Should he be jailed as long as she lives?


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I'll never understand. But what's too much? Should he be jailed as long as she lives?


either that or have hit nuts cut off.

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There are thousands of people in this country who are doing longer than six months for simple possession of weed.

Weed, now worse than rape.

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This dad should sit next to his dumbass kid prison

Rapes an unconscious chick next to a dumpster. Yet he should get a slap on the wrist because of swimming.

Sports and "potential" are like a distortion field for criminal acts.

Just execute them both. Kid looks like a "Brock" meaning a total douche.


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rogers park bryan wrote:
Kirkwood wrote:
slacktivism is overwhelming with this case.

taking the long view the guy's life is forever diminished given his favorable circumstances. he'll have to answer yes to "are you a felon?" and register as a sex offender.

no idea why putting him in jail makes the situation better.

my guess is majority of the people yelling are for "rehabilitation>punishment" but in this case it's lock him up forever?

Most often those statements have a "non violent" caveat. Don't hear too many people complaining about rapists or murderers being in prison.


That's true, but I think the larger question is, what are we trying to accomplish with our penal system? Sure, being a privileged white kid got this kid a sentence that most of us consider too light, but it's being a privileged white kid that is getting him roasted in the court of public opinion too. There are liberals out there who regularly argue for leniency for people who have committed all manner of horrific crimes who apparently think this particular scumbag should receive the death penalty.

As I said, I don't know what the right sentence is. I'm not a judge. I think there should be a harsher punishment than what he got, but isn't the ultimate goal for him to learn something and never do anything like what he did again?

Finally, victim impact statements should never be allowed in court. They're far too emotional. They basically become a sales pitch for harsher punishment. The judge has the facts. That should be enough for him to do his job.

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isn't the ultimate goal for him to learn something and never do anything like what he did again?


the penal system is obviously one of punishment, not rehabilitation. i think that idea went away decades and decades ago


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Finally, victim impact statements should never be allowed in court. They're far too emotional. They basically become a sales pitch for harsher punishment. The judge has the facts. That should be enough for him to do his job.


I disagree. Victims have a right to say what they want and I go as far as considering their statements as facts.


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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

Finally, victim impact statements should never be allowed in court. They're far too emotional. They basically become a sales pitch for harsher punishment. The judge has the facts. That should be enough for him to do his job.


I disagree. Victims have a right to say what they want and I go as far as considering their statements as facts.
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Spaulding wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

Finally, victim impact statements should never be allowed in court. They're far too emotional. They basically become a sales pitch for harsher punishment. The judge has the facts. That should be enough for him to do his job.


I disagree. Victims have a right to say what they want and I go as far as considering their statements as facts.


yea, that's nuts


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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ogist.html

'I don’t condone, support, or sympathize with Brock': Friend who wrote character letter about 'sweet' Stanford rapist now claims her words were misconstrued - after four of her band's performances were cancelled

Leslie Rasmussen is clarifying some of the statements she made about her longtime friend Brock Turner in a character statement
Turner was convicted on three counts of sexual assault earlier this year for raping a young woman at Stanford in January 2015
When her character statement was recently released, Rasmussen faced outrage online for tying Turner's actions to alcohol
Since the letter was released, her band Good English has been blacklisted from multiple Brooklyn music venues
In a now-deleted Facebook post, Rasmussen said that she did not support her friend's actions and that she has 'enormous sympathy' for the victim
However, sober Rasmussen stands by her statements about the destructive power of alcohol


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However, sober Rasmussen stands by her statements about the destructive power of alcohol[/i]
What does drunk Rasmussen think?

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yea, that's nuts


So you are in agreement that 6 months was enough possibly serving 3 and him booing whooing in court that his life was ruined is the only voice that should be heard? If he gets to ask for leniency then the victim should have the chance to say what they need to. He changed the course of both their lives. I won't argue which one is worse off but he made that decision for both of them. Neither should be silenced.


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Spaulding wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

Finally, victim impact statements should never be allowed in court. They're far too emotional. They basically become a sales pitch for harsher punishment. The judge has the facts. That should be enough for him to do his job.


I disagree. Victims have a right to say what they want and I go as far as considering their statements as facts.


yea, that's nuts


You're advocating for a revenge system rather than a justice system.

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You're advocating for a revenge system rather than a justice system.
It should be both punishment and rehabilitation.

Otherwise, we'd just have them take classes on how not to rape and let them hang out at home.

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