I agree. That's what I said in the original post. But victim impact statements have no place in a courtroom. If you and I both get ass-raped and I tell a sadder story, should my perpetrator get a harsher sentence?

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I've had this discussion before and not really interested in having it again, but I don't see it as revenge. I think if you are going to let him boo hoo and have his say you need to let the victim have hers. Both are emotional neither one is more important or valid.

I would not lose that debate.

I do get your point though.

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Don't know. Maybe, maybe not. Are you for harsher punshiments form the get go then? Or should punishments be handed out on a case by case basis?

The victim's statement was read in court...AFTER the sentence was handed out. She should definitely get to do that.

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I think the judge has to make that call based on the facts of the case. But emotions shouldn't be part of it. That's just revenge. These cases aren't Victim v. Perpetrator. They're The People v. Perpetrator.

I'm against the death penalty partly because we get it wrong way too often but also because it's an unnecessary taking of a human life. We have the guy and we can lock him up. His death is really just revenge. I'd give it more consideration if it could be done dispassionately, i.e. this person is too dangerous to exist in society and society must eliminate him. But though I understand it, I don't think society should endorse family members whooping and cheering and popping Prosecco when it's done. That really isn't good for any of us. I don't think we should run society based on revenge, as attractive and satisfying as it may be.

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That's fine. I'm not really talking about this case. I mean as part of sentencing.

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No doubt it's worse for her and her voice should definitely be heard.

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Well, if it's a punishment system we have then is 6 months in the clink and a lifetime scarlet letter enough punishment? If it is then case closed, if it isn't then what would be enough?

Pretty soon you won't have to check the box and how many people know who's registered as a sex offender? The victim and her family will have to live with worse

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I'd say 5 years at a minimum though obviously it is arbitrary.

Clearly, 6 months is not enough.

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Are you saying that the decision rendered should take into account the feelings of the family and the victim themselves?

My guy tells me that Mr. Turner ran it by Lindsey Graham, so it's all good.

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So all cases are the same? It's only the action that should be punished? I believe part of justice is dealing with the intended and unintended consequences of actions. You don't and that's fine. I do not believe the death penalty is really just revenge. I think it can be applied dispassionately. I don't know if people endorse celebrations but if they do I won't fault them for it. I don't know that locking some people up for the rest of their life is a better answer or that the true dangerous to society people should exist.

All cases aren't the same. But each judge has the facts. If we're going to leave the punishment up to the victims, of course each victim thinks he has it worse. Boilermaker Rick bullies me far more often and to a greater degree than he does you. Do you want to hear my victim impact statement?

I'm not faulting any victim and/or his/her family for celebrating the death penalty being carried out on the perpetrator. It's a natural reaction. But it really isn't a good one. They're celebrating revenge.

The impact on a victim is more appropriate in a civil suit. When it's the public vs. a criminal it's really just added emotion that might cause disproportionate punishment.

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Is that a law or policy that's in the works, or are you saying that things are simply trending this way? (I started looking through this but was not sure.)

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I would argue locking a guy up for 60 years is worse and more costly than the death penalty.

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A lot of politicians are calling for the elimination of the convicted felon box when applying for a job.

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I know the automatic appeals for death penalty cases can get expensive in most states . . . but yeah, it's more expensive and it may be less humane to lock someone up for 40, 50, 60 years. They even let Nathan Leopold out.

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I'm saying that the scarlet letter won't really exist for the offender. The victim and their family will have to live with that pain for the rest of their lives.

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Don't you agree with that? If a person serves the time, should they be unable to get a job? That's what I mean by deciding what we're trying to achieve with our penal system.

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Are you honestly saying that being on the sex offender registry isn't somehow bad or harmful?

I think it is perfectly acceptable to be reluctant to hire a person for a job that is related a crime the applicant committed and served time for.

I don't want a pedo teaching children. I don't want a con artist as a salesman (although I'm sure the employer would consider it good training).

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Brock must not be a very good swimmer. Phelps gets away with stuff all the time.

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That's a tough question to answer. I would generally say that everyone deserves a second chance after serving time BUT all crimes aren't equal to me. Especially sex crimes. Many believe those people are likely to reoffend.

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I'm saying that the overwhelming majority of f people don't know who the registered sex offenders are in their community.

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Then maybe they shouldn't be out of prison.

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Like what?

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I'm fairly confident in that statement. Most people wouldn't even know how to find out and those who do aren't looking regularly.

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