Better include this last bit, numb nuts:

I have no interest in making such an argument.

Your argument was "he was lucky" so you didn't make a strong case either.

And yes, Vasquez was better than Buehrle, because he struck out batters at a much higher rate, walked batters at only a marginally-worse rate,

You're such an awful troll.

He was also the #1 starter on a lot of really bad White Sox teams, why aren't you counting those seasons?

Then why are you asking the question?!?! You are only willing to accept an argument that you are not willing to make.

That's wrong. What "really bad" Sox teams was he on? 2007?

If you hate Laurence, then don't listen - don't comment. When he co-hosts the B&B show, take that day off ... listen to an old podcast of a Bernstein solo show and jerk off all day.

I didn't really think there was anyone goofy enough to make such a preposterous argument.

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-last-of-mark-buehrle/

read that. your shitty bible that I hate spent 2000 words lauding Mark Buehrle.

A lot of the things that helped Buehrle significantly that you pretend are random and out of his control are actually some of Buehrle major strengths. He's one of the greatest defensive pitchers ever, he is perhaps the greatest ever at picking runners off of 1st base and he's third least stolen on pitcher ever. The little things that add up over time never added up with Buehrle. Instead of just being in control of the normal things that FIP pretends pitchers only have control over, he took over the entirety of the game. One of the greats, should be a Hall of Famer and would be if he pitched in NY, Boston or on the north side.

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http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-last-of-mark-buehrle/

read that. your shitty bible that I hate spent 2000 words lauding Mark Buehrle.

A lot of the things that helped Buehrle significantly that you pretend are random and out of his control are actually some of Buehrle major strengths. He's one of the greatest defensive pitchers ever, he is perhaps the greatest ever at picking runners off of 1st base and he's third least stolen on pitcher ever. The little things that add up over time never added up with Buehrle. Instead of just being in control of the normal things that FIP pretends pitchers only have control over, he took over the entirety of the game. One of the greats, should be a Hall of Famer and would be if he pitched in NY, Boston or on the north side.

Yes, Buehrle was very good. Has that ever been in question?

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'09, '11.

I think you comparing him to Javy Vasquez put that into question.

I think you comparing him to Javy Vasquez put that into question.

and Buehrle posted a .591 winning percentage for one of them.

So now that we know what's really driving this bus:

Vasquez is also very good! They are close, and I think Javy is "better"--both in terms of WAR and in the sense that I'd rather build a team around a 21-year old Javier Vasquez than a 21-year old Mark Buehrle. You're just remember the times confirmation bias kicked in with the "3rd inning Javy" stuff.

Vasquez is also very good! They are close, and I think Javy is "better"--both in terms of WAR and in the sense that I'd rather build a team around a 21-year old Javier Vasquez than a 21-year old Mark Buehrle. You're just remember the times confirmation bias kicked in with the "3rd inning Javy" stuff.

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I would gladly take the guy who's going to throw 200 very effective innings for me

So...which one are you going to choose? Buehrle averaged 221 innings per season over his career, Javy averaged 216.

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You're right. Competing is meaningless. Just throw your WHIP on the mound and blame someone else for your "lack of run support".

Javy Vazquez was a slightly better than average pitcher.

Buehrle is just short of Hall of Fame consideration.

Real life baseball is not Strat-O-Matic or your fantasy league.

He said very effective.

Strat-o-matic =real life.

That is why it has been around all these years. The stats come very close to the players real life performance.

Right, it's baseball nothing-isms about "Hall of Fame consideration" and "#1 starter" and "winning".

OK this is a bullshit way of evaluating two players that are retired and speaks to the damage being wrought on the psyche of the average baseball fan by Theo and his Plan. We can save that discussion for another time, though.

If a genie presented me with the option of having Mark Buehrle reincarnate at 21 years old join the White Sox, or a Javy Vazquez counterpart, I would gladly take the guy who's going to throw 200 very effective innings for me over the next 15 seasons and only have to worry about 4 spots in the rotation until 2031.