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That is lazy. He is hated because he is a Democrat. They/we hate Hillary as much if not more.


Republicans turned politics into these team sport. It's more about winning then what happens when they take office. Rush was at the forefront of this, and even he had to get in the "halfrican" American jab at Obama. Race hatred added another level of ugly to tribal politics.

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Perhaps it's just a different era, but past Presidents would have found a way to strong arm legislation. Civil Rights would always be filibustered, but LBJ found weaknesses and exploited them to get it passed.

Obama did have incredible obstruction, but he also did not find solutions around it.


The major differences were that the new television coverage scared the reasonable southern(& southern leaning) senators when they got to DC, but more importantly, LBJ knew where all the skeletons were, how to horse trade & was already well known to get into the gutter for what he wanted. Today we'd call it complete abuse of power. :lol:

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But Trump says that globalism has been a raw deal for most Americans, and he's right too.

I've already seen Hillary surrogates suggesting that opposing free trade means you hate the "people of color" who work for pennies a day. And who can forget this spicy little number?

Hilary does not give a shit about Americans who live check to check. Bill didn't, either. The Clintons are all about the upper middle-class (and above).

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Frankly I think Republican men more often than not are frightened by smart and/or powerful women. And the "leadership" plays on it and gives us women like the Trump surrogates.


What does Correct The Record pay for "you're just afraid of a strong woman" posts?


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(--After CH had to tell me what Correct The Record is. I really stopped paying attention to much of this campaign about a month ago. :lol: :oops: )

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Sanders is even in the California polls now. Interesting convention if he wins there. Especially as email news continues to trickle out: http://thehill.com/policy/national-secu ... email-case

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Perhaps it's just a different era, but past Presidents would have found a way to strong arm legislation. Civil Rights would always be filibustered, but LBJ found weaknesses and exploited them to get it passed.

Obama did have incredible obstruction, but he also did not find solutions around it.


The major differences were that the new television coverage scared the reasonable southern(& southern leaning) senators when they got to DC, but more importantly, LBJ knew where all the skeletons were, how to horse trade & was already well known to get into the gutter for what he wanted. Today we'd call it complete abuse of power. :lol:


You are onto it but I think it really is the crazy internet access to information and living to a 24 hour to immediate news cycle. Prior to Clinton I guess there was always room for the back room and the back deals. Issues can simmer a while and work could be done finding middle ground and so on. In Washington, ALL pols found the room to work, deal in somewhat controlled isolation from the constituents.

Now with ALL pols having such immediate access to their every move, thought and word they are paralyzed. Each side has such a wide range of fragmented support they cannot please everyone all the time but everyone can get on their ass immediately.

I am not calling for going back to that necessarily but in today's climate no way in the world a Reagan/O'Neill or Clinton/Gingrich partnership would ever fly. NO WAY.

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So you think Obama was a bad President?

Yes....he was a bad President.
He was all the same bad as W and Clinton and Hillary will be just more of that same bad.

Our economy is fucked.

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After all, the establishment maneuver that unfolded Thursday was the kind of insider politics that Sanders has long decried and that many "Bernie or bust" supporters see as endemic in a corrupt Washington political machine.


Should be interesting to see what happens now with Bernie. Sounds like he might have made some deals. :lol:

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I still maintain the Bernie campaign was a completely unexpected "oh shit what did we create" monster for the Democratic party. They had to have some kind of candidate for Hillary to debate in the primary, but I don't think they ever imagined he would surge like he did.
It's over and here's old Bern towing the DEM line like a good soldier. Fraud.

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I still maintain the Bernie campaign was a completely unexpected "oh shit what did we create" monster for the Democratic party. They had to have some kind of candidate for Hillary to debate in the primary, but I don't think they ever imagined he would surge like he did.
It's over and here's old Bern towing the DEM line like a good soldier. Fraud.


Complete and total fraud. A total sellout. His wife should be in jail.

He isn't even a Democrat and he's being their prison bitch. A self-touted "socialist" is now sucking the dick of a neocon fascist crony capitalism.

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I still maintain the Bernie campaign was a completely unexpected "oh shit what did we create" monster for the Democratic party. They had to have some kind of candidate for Hillary to debate in the primary, but I don't think they ever imagined he would surge like he did.
It's over and here's old Bern towing the DEM line like a good soldier. Fraud.



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Perhaps it's just a different era, but past Presidents would have found a way to strong arm legislation. Civil Rights would always be filibustered, but LBJ found weaknesses and exploited them to get it passed.

Obama did have incredible obstruction, but he also did not find solutions around it.


The major differences were that the new television coverage scared the reasonable southern(& southern leaning) senators when they got to DC, but more importantly, LBJ knew where all the skeletons were, how to horse trade & was already well known to get into the gutter for what he wanted. Today we'd call it complete abuse of power. :lol:



That's true about LBJ, but Obama always struck me as thinking he was above it all. The aforementioned guys didn't mind getting their hands dirty with politics. I will never the "we won" statement shortly after taking office. This statement alone demonstrated that he truly believed that he had a mandate for his ideas. Wrong move in retrospect. They (Republicans) may not have ever wanted to work with him, but he demonstrated an unwillingness to work with Republicans also.

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he demonstrated an unwillingness to work with Republicans also.


When was this? Where do you get your information?

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he demonstrated an unwillingness to work with Republicans also.


When was this? Where do you get your information?


Chris Matthews. He of the tingling leg. Its one of the reasons that he soured on Obama. It has also been alleged that he really doesn't have a willingness to meet with Democrats either. Most of my info comes from MSNBC but they have no reason to lie. They have been in the tank for the guy since the beginning.

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I want Bernie to heel turn so badly. Pretend to go along with all this bullshit and then at the convention make a speech that he is running as an independent. Hillary is worse than Obama and Bush combined. She is going to think that beating out a 74yr old and a non-politician in Trump is giving her a mandate to do whatever the hell she wants.

Term limits for Congress is the only way to fix this country.

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I want Bernie to heel turn so badly. Pretend to go along with all this bullshit and then at the convention make a speech that he is running as an independent. Hillary is worse than Obama and Bush combined. She is going to think that beating out a 74yr old and a non-politician in Trump is giving her a mandate to do whatever the hell she wants.

Term limits for Congress is the only way to fix this country.


We can discuss this all you want, but this year's reality is that a vote for anyone but Hillary in the general likely puts three S.Ct. nominations in the hands of Trump, Jeff Sessions and Tom Coburn. That horrifies me.

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Hank Scorpio wrote:
I want Bernie to heel turn so badly. Pretend to go along with all this bullshit and then at the convention make a speech that he is running as an independent. Hillary is worse than Obama and Bush combined. She is going to think that beating out a 74yr old and a non-politician in Trump is giving her a mandate to do whatever the hell she wants.

Term limits for Congress is the only way to fix this country.



I agree with you about Trump but the voters had a chance to elect a better candidate and chose to nominate Trump. Bush, Kasich, and pretty much anyone else aside from possibly Carson would have been better but they had to have change. That there is now buyer's remorse should have been foreseen months ago. This guy is the same utter train wreck that most non Republicans and even some Republicans predicted him to be. No surprise there.

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Hank Scorpio wrote:
I want Bernie to heel turn so badly. Pretend to go along with all this bullshit and then at the convention make a speech that he is running as an independent. Hillary is worse than Obama and Bush combined. She is going to think that beating out a 74yr old and a non-politician in Trump is giving her a mandate to do whatever the hell she wants.

Term limits for Congress is the only way to fix this country.


We can discuss this all you want, but this year's reality is that a vote for anyone but Hillary in the general likely puts three S.Ct. nominations in the hands of Trump, Jeff Sessions and Tom Coburn. That horrifies me.


I'm scared either way by the next SCOTUS nominations.

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I want Bernie to heel turn so badly. Pretend to go along with all this bullshit and then at the convention make a speech that he is running as an independent. Hillary is worse than Obama and Bush combined. She is going to think that beating out a 74yr old and a non-politician in Trump is giving her a mandate to do whatever the hell she wants.

Term limits for Congress is the only way to fix this country.


We can discuss this all you want, but this year's reality is that a vote for anyone but Hillary in the general likely puts three S.Ct. nominations in the hands of Trump, Jeff Sessions and Tom Coburn. That horrifies me.


I'm scared either way by the next SCOTUS nominations.


Which illustrates the folly of moderates not taking a greater stand during this continuing Merrick Garland fiasco. Hell even Orrin Hatch suggested him as a compromise candidate, but then wouldn't fight with McConnell about a hearing.

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Hank Scorpio wrote:
I want Bernie to heel turn so badly. Pretend to go along with all this bullshit and then at the convention make a speech that he is running as an independent. Hillary is worse than Obama and Bush combined. She is going to think that beating out a 74yr old and a non-politician in Trump is giving her a mandate to do whatever the hell she wants.

Term limits for Congress is the only way to fix this country.


We can discuss this all you want, but this year's reality is that a vote for anyone but Hillary in the general likely puts three S.Ct. nominations in the hands of Trump, Jeff Sessions and Tom Coburn. That horrifies me.


I'm scared either way by the next SCOTUS nominations.


Which illustrates the folly of moderates not taking a greater stand during this continuing Merrick Garland fiasco. Hell even Orrin Hatch suggested him as a compromise candidate, but then wouldn't fight with McConnell about a hearing.


I understood the sentiment, Obama has a foot out the door and doesnt need to appoint another justice. Let the new president make the choice. The problem was just what you said... he picked a decent candidate. If he put forth some wacko hard left guy then dig in your heels and see what happens. Everyone is too concerned with their "team" winning. Nothing gets done.

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Regular Reader wrote:
Hank Scorpio wrote:
I want Bernie to heel turn so badly. Pretend to go along with all this bullshit and then at the convention make a speech that he is running as an independent. Hillary is worse than Obama and Bush combined. She is going to think that beating out a 74yr old and a non-politician in Trump is giving her a mandate to do whatever the hell she wants.

Term limits for Congress is the only way to fix this country.


We can discuss this all you want, but this year's reality is that a vote for anyone but Hillary in the general likely puts three S.Ct. nominations in the hands of Trump, Jeff Sessions and Tom Coburn. That horrifies me.


Strip away the loud voices and media coverage, we should as equally frightened by any nomination by Barry or Hill. The media and the DEMs can yell the sky is falling all they want with a Trump Presidency. it will be bad, but it's been bad. They are not any kind of an upgrade.

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Bernie = Fraud
http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/16/politics/ ... -personal/
"The major political task that we face in the next five months is to make certain that Donald Trump is defeated and defeated badly,"

Fuck you, Bernie. Hillary is more of a Republican than Trump. You and your party can eat a bag of dicks.

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Bernie = Fraud
http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/16/politics/ ... -personal/
"The major political task that we face in the next five months is to make certain that Donald Trump is defeated and defeated badly,"

Fuck you, Bernie. Hillary is more of a Republican than Trump. You and your party can eat a bag of dicks.


Bernie opposes Trump because he believes Trump is a proto-fascist. Consequently, Brnie sees Clinton and her center-right politics as the preferable option in the general election.

This assessment may be incorrect, but I certainly don't think it is disingenuous or fraudulent.

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Plus Donald is a Narcissistic-Racist-Bullshit-Artist who is one googoo plex worse than Hillary (sadly).

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I still maintain the Bernie campaign was a completely unexpected "oh shit what did we create" monster for the Democratic party. They had to have some kind of candidate for Hillary to debate in the primary, but I don't think they ever imagined he would surge like he did.
It's over and here's old Bern towing the DEM line like a good soldier. Fraud.



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Plus Donald is a Narcissistic-Racist-Bullshit-Artist who is one googoo plex worse than Hillary (sadly).

Trump may be that but politically, I do not feel he is one googoo plex worse than Hill.

Bernie is a fraud because he towed the party line the entire campaign. He had enough popularity and support to take Hillary down and he never delivered a punch. When it's all said and done, he will have no influence on President Hill and her decisions....that will be for the Super PACS that delivered her the victory.

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