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To be serious, though... this happens after every mass shooting. People freak the fuck out and say "WHAT IF IT WAS YOUR FRIENDS AND FAMILY?!"

The reality is that if it were my, or someone here's, family, we would be emotionally wrecked and want to kill the entire Muslim population. But that's an emotional reaction and one that should not dictate public policy.

I'd be curious to see stats on how much we spend to "eliminate terrorism" and the amount of money we spend to "end cancer", per death.

To be clear, I'm willing to say that fundamentalist Islam is a problem. I'm just not willing to say that it's even top 5 or maybe even 10 of problems we actually face as a society.


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Islamic radicals did not become interested in the United States until the United States began bombing Islamic countries and influencing middle eastern govt. Some are loathe to admit that this is a factor, as it doesn't jive with the narrative regarding "America the beautiful". It doesn't excuse the actions of this guy, because he is a nutjob obviously, but we shouldn't ignore U.S. foreign policy as a factor in this.

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How can anyone on the left or right continue to support and defend a religion than condones and encourages the killing of LGBT's? They round 'em up for "processing" in many middle eastern countries. It's disgusting.

So next elction you won't be voting for Ted Cruz then right?


Correct. Did Ted Cruz kill some LGBT's?

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yeah, we just need to remote control drone a few more weddings and hospitals over there and they'll for sure stop trying to attack us...


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Islamic radicals did not become interested in the United States until the United States began bombing Islamic countries and influencing middle eastern govt. Some are loathe to admit that this is a factor, as it doesn't jive with the narrative regarding "America the beautiful". It doesn't excuse the actions of this guy, because he is a nutjob obviously.


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What is the point of bending over backward to pretend religion had nothing to do with this? Would Sarah Silverman have the same approach if the shooter's name were Bubba Johnson and he had yelled, "For the glory of Christ!" before firing?

It's perfect. She has a chance to take a shot at men, gun laws, Christians all at the same time.



They typical liberal is more upset with a statement by a dumbass Christ-y hillbilly Senator than he is about a Muslim killing gays based on the Hadith.


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Islamic radicals did not become interested in the United States until the United States began bombing Islamic countries and influencing middle eastern govt. Some are loathe to admit that this is a factor, as it doesn't jive with the narrative regarding "America the beautiful". It doesn't excuse the actions of this guy, because he is a nutjob obviously, but we shouldn't ignore U.S. foreign policy as a factor in this.


Yup. Killing Saddam Hussein was a huge mistake that we are now paying for.

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How can anyone on the left or right continue to support and defend a religion than condones and encourages the killing of LGBT's? They round 'em up for "processing" in many middle eastern countries. It's disgusting.

So next elction you won't be voting for Ted Cruz then right?


Correct. Did Ted Cruz kill some LGBT's?


I'm not sure, but I know that there are claims that he didn't pay his poker debts, when he was in college. You two are peas in a pod.

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I had to run out to the store and I saw a man there who was Muslim, or Hindu, maybe even Latino, I don't know, who cares. I made sure to give him a dirty look the entire time though. Not in my backyard, pal.

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Didn't the Korean that went for the high score at, where was it, Va Tech yell out something like "I wanna die like Jesus did!"? Maybe he wrote it down or something ... a manifesto? I don't recall and I'm not interested enough to Google it.

Anyway, I don't recall any hue and cry to deport any and/or all Korean Christians ... from the Mensa members here or from the general population.

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I had to run out to the store and I saw a man there who was Muslim, or Hindu, maybe even Latino, I don't know, who cares. I made sure to give him a dirty look the entire time though. Not in my backyard, pal.

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As an aside, apparently that tweet from Texas Lt. Governor Dan Patrick was not a response to the shooting, more just a terribly shitty coincidence. I suggest it's worth reading in its entirety.

http://www.danpatrick.org/facebook-statement-regarding-mornings-bible-verse-post/

My Facebook Statement Regarding This Morning’s Bible Verse Post

This morning, as every Sunday morning for the past several years, we post a verse from scripture. Those posts are chosen in advance and scheduled in advance. As noted to the media earlier, the post from Galatians, that received many hateful comments, was put on the schedule Thursday. Our scripture was not posted in reaction to the shooting.

I’m actually on an island. The Internet is slow. I first heard of the news late this morning from a reporter. However, the time lag has given me an opportunity to reflect on this tragedy, your comments, our war on terrorism, our divided nation and God’s word for all of us.

The verse has nothing to do with God’s judgement on any one person or a specific group of people. If some chose to read into it what they wanted they either have never read Galatians Chapter 6 or have misread it.

Some wanted the post pulled down and others did not. Let me be clear, I didn’t pull down the FB post & tweet because God’s word is wrong. His word is never wrong. Taking down his word would be like tearing a page from the Bible because we didn’t like what God was telling us. I took it down to stop the hateful comments and the misinformation being spread of God’s message to all of us- straight or gay.

God’s message to all of us in the world is that of love and forgiveness – not hate. Jesus was clear that the only way to the Father was through him.

We are all sinners, straight or gay, and we all fall short of heaven and eternal life unless we accept Christ as our Savior. He died on the cross for all of us. Let me repeat that. He loves us all and died for all of our sins.

In the public policy arena there are differences of opinion from many viewpoints. Too often there is hate surrounding those differences. Whether it’s political parties, Presidential politics, or one of the many policy issues being debated today, our country is becoming more divided every day.

The hateful comments today following my post of a simple scripture verse, totally unrelated to the terrible killings last night, that were directed at me and God’s word, is another example of that hate. I pray these divisions will end.

Just as we saw the nation come together after 911 we need to come together again after the largest mass shooting in our history.

If some insist on hate speech as a response, that is their decision, not mine. The enemy is ISIS, not each other. We must come together to fight them. ISIS believes in the killing of gays. America does not and Christians do not. Let’s focus on the real enemy.

For those who have never read Galatians 6, here are the first ten verses. Only those who choose hate speech can suggest God’s word was directed at them. It was directed to the church of Galatia as Paul was talking to early Christians about moving from the law of Moses to the new Christian church.

Today God’s message is directed to ALL of us.

Bear One Another’s Burdens
6 Brothers,1 if anyone is caught in any transgression, you who are spiritual should restore him in a spirit of gentleness. Keep watch on yourself, lest you too be tempted. 2 Bear one another’s burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ. 3 For if anyone thinks he is something, when he is nothing, he deceives himself. 4 But let each one test his own work, and then his reason to boast will be in himself alone and not in his neighbor. 5 For each will have to bear his own load.
6 Let the one who is taught the word share all good things with the one who teaches. 7 Do not be deceived: God is not mocked, for whatever one sows, that will he also reap. 8 For the one who sows to his own flesh will from the flesh reap corruption, but the one who sows to the Spirit will from the Spirit reap eternal life. 9 And let us not grow weary of doing good, for in due season we will reap, if we do not give up. 10 So then, as we have opportunity, let us do good to everyone, and especially to those who are of the household of faith.

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To be serious, though... this happens after every mass shooting. People freak the fuck out and say "WHAT IF IT WAS YOUR FRIENDS AND FAMILY?!"

The reality is that if it were my, or someone here's, family, we would be emotionally wrecked and want to kill the entire Muslim population. But that's an emotional reaction and one that should not dictate public policy.

I'd be curious to see stats on how much we spend to "eliminate terrorism" and the amount of money we spend to "end cancer", per death.

To be clear, I'm willing to say that fundamentalist Islam is a problem. I'm just not willing to say that it's even top 5 or maybe even 10 of problems we actually face as a society.


This isn't true. I would just want to kill that guy or woman.

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Don Tiny wrote:
As an aside, apparently that tweet from Texas Lt. Governor Dan Patrick was not a response to the shooting, more just a terribly shitty coincidence:

http://www.danpatrick.org/facebook-statement-regarding-mornings-bible-verse-post/

My Facebook Statement Regarding This Morning’s Bible Verse Post

This morning, as every Sunday morning for the past several years, we post a verse from scripture. Those posts are chosen in advance and scheduled in advance. As noted to the media earlier, the post from Galatians, that received many hateful comments, was put on the schedule Thursday. Our scripture was not posted in reaction to the shooting.

I’m actually on an island. The Internet is slow. I first heard of the news late this morning from a reporter. However, the time lag has given me an opportunity to reflect on this tragedy, your comments, our war on terrorism, our divided nation and God’s word for all of us.

The verse has nothing to do with God’s judgement on any one person or a specific group of people. If some chose to read into it what they wanted they either have never read Galatians Chapter 6 or have misread it.

Some wanted the post pulled down and others did not. Let me be clear, I didn’t pull down the FB post & tweet because God’s word is wrong. His word is never wrong. Taking down his word would be like tearing a page from the Bible because we didn’t like what God was telling us. I took it down to stop the hateful comments and the misinformation being spread of God’s message to all of us- straight or gay.

God’s message to all of us in the world is that of love and forgiveness – not hate. Jesus was clear that the only way to the Father was through him.

We are all sinners, straight or gay, and we all fall short of heaven and eternal life unless we accept Christ as our Savior. He died on the cross for all of us. Let me repeat that. He loves us all and died for all of our sins.

In the public policy arena there are differences of opinion from many viewpoints. Too often there is hate surrounding those differences. Whether it’s political parties, Presidential politics, or one of the many policy issues being debated today, our country is becoming more divided every day.

The hateful comments today following my post of a simple scripture verse, totally unrelated to the terrible killings last night, that were directed at me and God’s word, is another example of that hate. I pray these divisions will end.

Just as we saw the nation come together after 911 we need to come together again after the largest mass shooting in our history.

If some insist on hate speech as a response, that is their decision, not mine. The enemy is ISIS, not each other. We must come together to fight them. ISIS believes in the killing of gays. America does not and Christians do not. Let’s focus on the real enemy.

For those who have never read Galatians 6, here are the first ten verses. Only those who choose hate speech can suggest God’s word was directed at them. It was directed to the church of Galatia as Paul was talking to early Christians about moving from the law of Moses to the new Christian church.

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6 Brothers,1 if anyone is caught in any transgression, you who are spiritual should restore him in a spirit of gentleness. Keep watch on yourself, lest you too be tempted. 2 Bear one another’s burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ. 3 For if anyone thinks he is something, when he is nothing, he deceives himself. 4 But let each one test his own work, and then his reason to boast will be in himself alone and not in his neighbor. 5 For each will have to bear his own load.
6 Let the one who is taught the word share all good things with the one who teaches. 7 Do not be deceived: God is not mocked, for whatever one sows, that will he also reap. 8 For the one who sows to his own flesh will from the flesh reap corruption, but the one who sows to the Spirit will from the Spirit reap eternal life. 9 And let us not grow weary of doing good, for in due season we will reap, if we do not give up. 10 So then, as we have opportunity, let us do good to everyone, and especially to those who are of the household of faith.

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Anyway, I don't recall any hue and cry to deport any and/or all Korean Christians ... from the Mensa members here or from the general population.


Probably because Korean Christians are not carrying out acts like this across the world a few times a year and preaching death and destruction to the West.

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Anyway, I don't recall any hue and cry to deport any and/or all Korean Christians ... from the Mensa members here or from the general population.


Probably because Korean Christians are not carrying out acts like this across the world a few times a year and preaching death and destruction to the West.


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Islamic radicals did not become interested in the United States until the United States began bombing Islamic countries and influencing middle eastern govt. Some are loathe to admit that this is a factor, as it doesn't jive with the narrative regarding "America the beautiful". It doesn't excuse the actions of this guy, because he is a nutjob obviously, but we shouldn't ignore U.S. foreign policy as a factor in this.


Yup. Killing Saddam Hussein was a huge mistake that we are now paying for.



Really didn't factor him into the equation much. Goes much deeper than him.

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No one is saying ban all Muslims. Don't be stupid. They are asking for the government to stop bringing in Syrian refugees until we get a better vetting program setup.

"We don't have it under control," Mr. Michael Steinback, Assistant Director for the FBI told the House Homeland Security committee in February. "Absolutely, we're doing the best we can. It's not even close to being under control."


The chairman of the Homeland Security committee, Rep. Michael McCaul (R-TX), asked officials from DHS, FBI and the National Counterterrorism Center (NCTC), "if bringing in Syrian refugees pose a greater risk to Americans?" Steinback responded, "Yes, I'm concerned


Last week Rep. McCaul renewed the concern that ISIS wants to use the refugee crisis to sneak into western countries. "The President wants to surge thousands of Syrian refugees into the United States, in spite of consistent intelligence community and federal law enforcement warnings that we do not have the intelligence needed to vet individuals from the conflict zone. We also know that ISIS wants to use refugee routes as cover to sneak operatives into the West," he said in a statement.


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McCaul continued, "I implore the president to consult with Congress before taking any drastic action and to level with the American people about the very real security challenges we face."


What does the chairman of Homeland Security know about our safety? I really want to know what Baby Mac thinks.


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They typical liberal is more upset with a statement by a dumbass Christ-y hillbilly Senator than he is about a Muslim killing gays based on the Hadith.


Sad, but very true.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 12, 2016 6:45 pm 
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How can anyone on the left or right continue to support and defend a religion than condones and encourages the killing of LGBT's? They round 'em up for "processing" in many middle eastern countries. It's disgusting.

So next elction you won't be voting for Ted Cruz then right?


Correct. Did Ted Cruz kill some LGBT's?

No, but he supports pastors who believe that being gay deserves the death penalty.


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They typical liberal is more upset with a statement by a dumbass Christ-y hillbilly Senator than he is about a Muslim killing gays based on the Hadith.


Sad, but very true.


No it really isn't.

I've yet to see one person not upset that 50 people were killed.

Maybe Pat Robertson isn't upset. I don't know.

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They typical liberal is more upset with a statement by a dumbass Christ-y hillbilly Senator than he is about a Muslim killing gays based on the Hadith.


Sad, but very true.


No it really isn't.

I've yet to see one person not upset that 50 people were killed.

Maybe Pat Robertson isn't upset. I don't know.

He did not say they were not upset. He said "more upset."

Of course everyone is upset.

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I have not seen one person more upset with the Lt. Governor of Texas than with a mass murderer.

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I suppose it was inevitable that somebody brought up the Syrian refugee crisis. It's incredible how dumb some of this logic is. Those refugees are being slaughtered by Islamic terrorists and driven out of their country. So the typical American's response to that seems to be to close our borders, because the victims of those terrorists pose some grave threat to us since they look like the terrorists. So instead of assimilating these Muslims into our country and trying to show them the benefit of living in a Western democracy, people here want to close the borders so the refugees only recourse is to continue being slaughtered or join ISIS themselves. It's shameful the way a lot of Americans view the world. Goddamn embarrassing. Juiced, you are one cowardly motherfucker, man.

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No one is saying ban all Muslims. Don't be stupid. They are asking for the government to stop bringing in Syrian refugees until we get a better vetting program setup.
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A. Please show the class where in Bitches' tweet Bitches says anything about "banning all Muslims";

B. You're arguing with a cat...a Cat named "Bitches"; not a good look. jes sayin.

C. Donald Trump in fact called for and continues to call for a complete ban on Muslims entering the US...until something or other uncertain future event:

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D. you just lost an argument to a cat...A Cat Named Bitches.


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I suppose it was inevitable that somebody brought up the Syrian refugee crisis. It's incredible how dumb some of this logic is. Those refugees are being slaughtered by Islamic terrorists and driven out of their country. So the typical American's response to that seems to be to close our borders, because the victims of those terrorists pose some grave threat to us since they look like the terrorists. So instead of assimilating these Muslims into our country and trying to show them the benefit of living in a Western democracy, people here want to close the borders so the refugees only recourse is to continue being slaughtered or join ISIS themselves. It's shameful the way a lot of Americans view the world. Goddamn embarrassing. Juiced, you are one cowardly motherfucker, man.



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You simply won't be able to install an effective getting program. Conditions make it impossible. Anyone can et any papers they want, that simple. So forget that.

The dream would be to stop meddling about in the M.E. and stop helping to create and foster the conditions that create a mass refugee crisis.


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You simply won't be able to install an effective getting program. Conditions make it impossible. Anyone can et any papers they want, that simple. So forget that.

The dream would be to stop meddling about in the M.E. and stop helping to create and foster the conditions that create a mass refugee crisis.


Well said.

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