Except it isn't true either.

Our closest Middle Eastern allies are Israel and Saudi Arabia. Israel is a big fan of ours. Saudi Arabia is the ultimate source of a lot of this stuff.

We're the most powerful country in the world and we are the reason Israel is still a country. We have pushed progressive measures all around the world that scare those in power in many of these countries. Most of these attacks are by people who have bought into idealogy that wants to kill all non-Muslims.

We need to stop victim blaming the United States for these things. ISIS is not our fault, and quite honestly it shouldn't be our problem either. 9/11 was not our fault either.

The Iraq War was a mistake but Saddam wasn't exactly the greatest guy in the world either.

But hey, maybe we can just end all intervention in the Middle East right now and I'm sure the world will be a much better and safer place.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Good to know that nothing is our fault. I'm sure that the family of that woman and child president Obama killed with a joystick yesterday will be happy to hear we aren't responsible for ANYTHING.

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GO BEARS!!!

Are you saying Obama is evil?

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I'm saying that his policies are wrong. I understand that there are tough decisions that need to be made but killing dozens of innocent in hopes of getting 1 guy is wrong.

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GO BEARS!!!

I think we have to measure intentions. Unlike the other side I don't believe Obama intends to kill innocents. Sometimes it happens. I'll allow I could be wrong though.

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With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

Any work to push progressive measures around the world by the US was done for one reason and one reason alone....to benefit the US.

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In terms of what happened over the weekend none of it is our fault.

If it was truly about drone strikes then why not attack those who are actually doing drone strikes rather than civilians?

ISIS has also caused far more damage to other Muslims than they have us. Why would it be our fault when we aren't even the primary source of their vitriol?

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Then don't use innocent civilians as shields. It's people who think like you that makes ISIS use human shields, because they know you will attack your own country if your country attacks them.

ISIS isn't really a response to anything. It didn't happen "because of..."

A caliphate is a stated end game for the religion. Unfortunately, people exist in the land they feel was given to them by god (sounds kind of familiar, doesn't it).

The antagonism occurs in that the U.S. and the caliphate cannot peacefully coexist. It's impossible. They may tolerate one another for expedience for a time but they MUST clash.

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And men have lost their reason.

I'm sure that's the only collateral damage.

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GO BEARS!!!

I don't think we can stop there if we want to call ourselves the greatest country in the world. Results matter.

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Actually, after thinking about this for another minute or two, you would almost have to be wrong in this scenario. Obama is undeniably an intelligent person. There's years and years and mountains of evidence that tell him exactly what is going to happen when he employs drone strikes, and he still does it.

The Doctors Without Borders bombing is just as reprehensible as what ISIS is doing. So no, I don't think we need to measure intentions here.

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Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul

No it isn't. The inspiration for the targeting of the United States comes from decades of foreign policy which seeks to intervene in the affairs of their respective govt. If Islam were the source then why aren't Indonesian Muslims targeting the United States?

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So hating gays isn't taught in Islam? Because you don't know of Indonesian terrorists it means that Islam is not to blame for the terrorist attacks committed in it's name? That's some odd logic.

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The new Caliphate is a goal unto itself and has nothing to do with U.S. foreign policy. The viewpoint expressed above is mistaken and very dangerous for the United States.

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You can buy into the propaganda if you like. I don't. If it is merely an Islamic thing then why do the overwhelming number of terrorists involved in attacks against the U.S. come from countries affected by U.S. foreign policy?If they don't come from those countries they tend to have strong ties to them. Why arent Muslims from other parts of the world chomping at the bit to tear a hole in the U.S.? The answer is fairly simple.

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Ltg, you're incorrect about where terrorists in this country came from.

The hijackers in the September 11 attacks were 19 men affiliated with al-Qaeda. 15 of the 19 were citizens of Saudi Arabia. The others were from the United Arab Emirates (2), Egypt and Lebanon.

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I don't know anything about politics, foreign policies, etc, but if that is true, what is the explanation for the attacks in India or Europe, or middle eastern countries? There is an average of 2-3 reported incidents a day. They don't care who it ends up killing. The religion or background really doesn't matter to me but it needs to be stopped.

I think rr/nas and JORR are talking about 2 separate groups.

This one came from Florida, didn't he?

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With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

The problem is that Bin Laden and his Saudis in the group were/are chiefly against American influence/policy in Saudi Arabia. They fully believe that it is immoral, has corrupted Saudi leaders, is a stain on their "Holy Land", and is against the principles of their view of True Islam (whatever that is). The Saudi royals simply paid them to go elsewhere with their crap and hoped in vain it wouldn't come back to bite them in the asses.

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Born in NYC I hear. From a family of questionable Afghanis.

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Family from Afghanistan and Father is a Taliban sympathizer

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Bin laden had no outward issues with the US when they were supporting him against the Russians. And he wasn't complaining about our relationship with the Saudis back then either. Because the Saudi were also supporting his efforts.

The Holy Land stain came when he needed a new group to demonize in order to rally his supporters. He was an excellent example of what money can do for a ne er do well without an actual purpose in life. Unless we can consider hate a purpose.

Having said that, it is high time the US stopped playing world cop and controller.

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So then you are back to who do you let in from where and how many? I really do not want us to turn into Sweden or the UK. I understand and agree with the need for freedom of religion in our country and helping people it cannot come at the expense of our freedom or rights.

Bin Laden stated that he targeted the U.S because the U.S put troops in Saudi Arabia following the first Gulf War. Lebanon attack against the U.S occurred after the U.S placed Soldiers in Lebanon in 83. U.S intervention in Egypt goes back decades. Don't know much about the Emirates.

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He specifically stated that the U.S became a target after they placed soldiers in Saudi Arabia following the first Gulf War. He became angry when the royal family believed it would be better if they allowed the U.S military and not Al queda, to protect them from Iraq.

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Its not about Indonesian terrorists. Its about Indonesian terrorists targeting the United States. If all Muslims are taught to hate the U.S then why do all the attacks involve people with Middle Eastern ties? Indonesia has the largest population of Muslims in the world yet they appear to have no problem with U.S. Why is that? To quote the great KRS-One

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You left out the part about him getting angry with the US for supporting Israel.

A problem he didn't seem to have when we were supplying him with weapons against the Russians.

People who hate are going to need a platform to hate from, and a target to direct their hate toward. Bin laden found a convenient target in the US. But not for anything we actually did other than sticking up for the Jews.

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Holy shit. Rick, I love ya', buddy, but even Joe the Plumber thinks this is overly-simplistic.

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