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So I guess in all future and past terrorist attacks we need to figure out if the attacker was gay or not so we can get the true motive.



I wonder how the LGBT community feels about that phony narrative. "It was one of your own. Don't worry!"

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As a 15yo he apparently was super thrilled about 9/11. Definitely influenced by his dad's hatred agenda. Disturbed little shit on top of it.

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So he was self-loathing because he was gay and liked to drink. Where did he get the idea that this was wrong? Certainly, not from the beautiful religion of Islam.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
So I guess in all future and past terrorist attacks we need to figure out if the attacker was gay or not so we can get the true motive.


Well the FBI was able to prove he was lying about his terrorist ties twice.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
So I guess in all future and past terrorist attacks we need to figure out if the attacker was gay or not so we can get the true motive.



I wonder how the LGBT community feels about that phony narrative. "It was one of your own. Don't worry!"
It's actually pretty offensive.

The dude had talked with a previous suicide bomber, had been investigated twice, made it perfectly clear why he was doing it, had an extremist father, did it during a time that was requested by ISIS and following a plan laid out by ISIS.

But he was gay and conflicted so that is why he did the worst mass shooting in American history...

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So I guess in all future and past terrorist attacks we need to figure out if the attacker was gay or not so we can get the true motive.


Well the FBI was able to prove he was lying about his terrorist ties twice.
Huh?

They just didn't have enough evidence to continue investigating.

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it doesn't matter if he joined ISIS or if he didn't. The main point is that ISIS essentially put the gun in his hand...by showing the proper response they preach when you come up against a threat to islam. If ISIS did not exist...organizations like ISIS not only preaching the response by showcasing it...

I don't know. Maybe this doesn't happen.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
So I guess in all future and past terrorist attacks we need to figure out if the attacker was gay or not so we can get the true motive.



I wonder how the LGBT community feels about that phony narrative. "It was one of your own. Don't worry!"
It's actually pretty offensive.

The dude had talked with a previous suicide bomber, had been investigated twice, made it perfectly clear why he was doing it, had an extremist father, did it during a time that was requested by ISIS and following a plan laid out by ISIS.

But he was gay and conflicted so that is why he did the worst mass shooting in American history...








Probably not even top 20 in American history mass shootings, Indians were slaughtered by the government and military.

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The wife will be arrested soon and the father may be arrested too.

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This guy had compassion for the blacks. He didn't want to kill them.

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This guy had compassion for the blacks. He didn't want to kill them.


I guess they gave it to him good?

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Why the wife has not already been arrested is beyond me. She's not very bright either.

NBC news is reporting that she told the FBI she knew her husband was planning an attack but she tried to talk him out of it.

That's all well and good. I'm sure in her mind she didn't think she was committing a crime. But that doesn't matter. Her admitting this means she's not smart. She has no idea that she just incriminated herself. But she did.

It's a crime against the state. Shouldn't she be facing the death penalty? I mean she aided and abetted a terrorist. Cuz NBC also reported that she drove him around casing out locations.


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Why the wife has not already been arrested is beyond me. She's not very bright either.

NBC news is reporting that she told the FBI she knew her husband was planning an attack but she tried to talk him out of it.

That's all well and good. I'm sure in her mind she didn't think she was committing a crime. But that doesn't matter. Her admitting this means she's not smart. She has no idea that she just incriminated herself. But she did.

It's a crime against the state. Shouldn't she be facing the death penalty? I mean she aided and abetted a terrorist. Cuz NBC also reported that she drove him around casing out locations.


I guess she could argue that she felt like a hostage and feared for her life if she didn't do what he said.

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Why the wife has not already been arrested is beyond me. She's not very bright either.

NBC news is reporting that she told the FBI she knew her husband was planning an attack but she tried to talk him out of it.

That's all well and good. I'm sure in her mind she didn't think she was committing a crime. But that doesn't matter. Her admitting this means she's not smart. She has no idea that she just incriminated herself. But she did.

It's a crime against the state. Shouldn't she be facing the death penalty? I mean she aided and abetted a terrorist. Cuz NBC also reported that she drove him around casing out locations.


I guess she could argue that she felt like a hostage and feared for her life if she didn't do what he said.


That might apply if say a husband told a wife that he was gonna kill his best friend or something. This is terrorism. It's at the Federal level. I don't think that flies. Or it shouldn't in my opinion. That's why I'm shocked that she's not arrested.


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Why the wife has not already been arrested is beyond me. She's not very bright either.

NBC news is reporting that she told the FBI she knew her husband was planning an attack but she tried to talk him out of it.

That's all well and good. I'm sure in her mind she didn't think she was committing a crime. But that doesn't matter. Her admitting this means she's not smart. She has no idea that she just incriminated herself. But she did.

It's a crime against the state. Shouldn't she be facing the death penalty? I mean she aided and abetted a terrorist. Cuz NBC also reported that she drove him around casing out locations.


I guess she could argue that she felt like a hostage and feared for her life if she didn't do what he said.


That might apply if say a husband told a wife that he was gonna kill his best friend or something. This is terrorism. It's at the Federal level. I don't think that flies. Or it shouldn't in my opinion. That's why I'm shocked that she's not arrested.


I wish we had a lawyer around here...

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Isn't what she did the definition of Treason?

Treason: the crime of betraying one's country, especially by attempting to kill the sovereign or overthrow the government

We don't have many more "treason" cases in this country. But you get the death penalty for it.


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I don't think it is.

But I'm no fancy big city lawyer.

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And how do we know she's not lying to the FBI about "Trying to talk him out of it". Maybe she was for it all along. Shouldn't she at least stand trial to figure that out?


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Saying you tried to talk him out of it is not a good move. Should probably talk to a lawyer before talking more, but if they have her computer/phone it will not matter what she says if she talked about it there.

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I don't think it is.

But I'm no fancy big city lawyer.


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I don't think it is.

But I'm no fancy big city lawyer.


If you self-identify as a lawyer, then you are a lawyer. Don't ever let anyone deny you your own truth.


One time at another board, some 17-year-old punkass came into a politics thread and said "Listen. I'm an economist," and proceeded to talk out his ass. You just know his intro-econ teacher gave the class some stupid grand speech like "today, as my students, all of you are now...economists" to embolden this guy.

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Tad Queasy wrote:
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I don't think it is.

But I'm no fancy big city lawyer.


If you self-identify as a lawyer, then you are a lawyer. Don't ever let anyone deny you your own truth.


One time at another board, some 17-year-old punkass came into a politics thread and said "Listen. I'm an economist," and proceeded to talk out his ass. You just know his intro-econ teacher gave the class some stupid grand speech like "today, as my students, all of you are now...economists" to embolden this guy.


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Why the wife has not already been arrested is beyond me. She's not very bright either.

NBC news is reporting that she told the FBI she knew her husband was planning an attack but she tried to talk him out of it.

That's all well and good. I'm sure in her mind she didn't think she was committing a crime. But that doesn't matter. Her admitting this means she's not smart. She has no idea that she just incriminated herself. But she did.

It's a crime against the state. Shouldn't she be facing the death penalty? I mean she aided and abetted a terrorist. Cuz NBC also reported that she drove him around casing out locations.


Charge her with what though? It's not a crime to not tell on somebody. If it's true that she helped him stake out the place knowing what he planned to do that's a different story.

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Nas wrote:
This guy had compassion for the blacks. He didn't want to kill them.


The young black lady's story of the attack is quite something. Somebody shielded her from a bullet. He died. She doesn't even know who he is.


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This guy had compassion for the blacks. He didn't want to kill them.


The young black lady's story of the attack is quite something. Somebody shielded her from a bullet. He died. She doesn't even know who he is.


It was

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They just had an expert on MSNBC. It is a federal crime to know of a terrorist attack and not report it. It's also a crime to help somebody prepare for an attack. Which is what she did by driving him around to case out locations.

They need to arrest her. If for no other reason, to serve notice to other wives that might know of terrorist attacks. Maybe if they know they'll go to jail, they'll report their husbands.


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They just had an expert on MSNBC. It is a federal crime to know of a terrorist attack and not report it. It's also a crime to help somebody prepare for an attack. Which is what she did by driving him around to case out locations.

They need to arrest her. If for no other reason, to serve notice to other wives that might know of terrorist attacks. Maybe if they know they'll go to jail, they'll report their husbands.


That makes more sense then.

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It is a federal crime to know of a terrorist attack and not report it.


That's such a bone-chilling sentiment, I had to look it up.

18 U.S. Code § 2339

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(a) Whoever harbors or conceals any person who he knows, or has reasonable grounds to believe, has committed, or is about to commit, an offense under section 32 (relating to destruction of aircraft or aircraft facilities), section 175 (relating to biological weapons), section 229 (relating to chemical weapons), section 831 (relating to nuclear materials), paragraph (2) or (3) of section 844(f) (relating to arson and bombing of government property risking or causing injury or death), section 1366(a) (relating to the destruction of an energy facility), section 2280 (relating to violence against maritime navigation), section 2332a (relating to weapons of mass destruction), or section 2332b (relating to acts of terrorism transcending national boundaries) of this title, section 236(a) (relating to sabotage of nuclear facilities or fuel) of the Atomic Energy Act of 1954 (42 U.S.C. 2284(a)), or section 46502 (relating to aircraft piracy) of title 49, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.


That's the only thing I could find about concealing terrorist plots in federal law. I mean, maybe § 2332b's broad definition of "conduct transcending national boundaries" could apply to the wife, and she could be charged under 2339, but Holy Christ it would be scary for the US to actually charge and prosecute a citizen for not reporting the conduct or intentions of someone else in these circumstances.


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I think it's a good law. The family of the 49 dead would also think it's a good law.


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