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What this kid was doing is pretty far from "swimming" and was not in violation of the rule on the posted sign.

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I think most people equate a "no swimming" sign with the fact that either there are no lifeguards present or the water is very deep
Not that there could be bacteria, leeches etc as Rick said, or God forbid an alligator


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That's very Christian of you Seacrest. Again.

What have I said that is so STUPID?

To recap...
Disney is largely at fault.
It should be somewhat common knowledge that gators are everywhere in central Florida.
The parents share a fraction of the blame.

What seems to be bothering most of you is my thought experiment in which I ask how many natural dangers require warning. It's just a question folks. It really shouldn't make you mad.


Thought experiment. :lol: :lol:

Har Har Har yeah that's hilarious!
You can be kind of a dick a lot of times.


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Usually when you get called out for stuff like this. Or when you intentionally post false shit about me and get called out for it.

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Allow me to ask you a question... should places like cocoa beach or Daytona have signs warning of possible shark attacks or should it be considered generally common knowledge that there exists a possibility that you're possibly in close proximity to those animals? Don't use the Disney thing as a backdrop to your answer. Just a serious answer.



The duty isn't as high since we are talking about public property, but I do believe they have a duty to warn if there is a history of attacks or if there is a shark sighting in the area that they are aware of. I believe many beaches, if not all, do this already. A quick google search reveals many pictures of shark warning signs at countless different beaches.

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People can know all about gators being all over Florida. Disney is such a controlled environment that it isn't crazy for people to think that there wouldn't be gators in the water on park property.

Right... actually... I said that in another post earlier. Right around the time shakes called me a moron.



no you didn't. You started your whole thing by comparing this incident to the time you swam in the ocean across the interstate from the Red Roof in you were staying at outside Daytona.


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Darkside wrote:
What this kid was doing is pretty far from "swimming" and was not in violation of the rule on the posted sign.



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Seacrest... you are shitty as fuck at accepting a little ball busting.
I told you several times that I was making light of the bigfan situation in the what the hell is wrong with Seacrest thread but you got all things skinned and whiney about it and unknowingly did precisely what I was trying to parody bigfan about in that thread.

There are just some folks you can't really bust their chops even though they love doing it themselves. You're one of those types.

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Stop saying the kid was swimming. He drowned so its pretty clear he wasnt swimming.

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Darkside wrote:
Seacrest... you are shitty as fuck at accepting a little ball busting.
I told you several times that I was making light of the bigfan situation in the what the hell is wrong with Seacrest thread but you got all things skinned and whiney about it and unknowingly did precisely what I was trying to parody bigfan about in that thread.

There are just some folks you can't really bust their chops even though they love doing it themselves. You're one of those types.


Thin skinned my ass. You are full of shit here, just like you were then.

Go back to telling Daytona swimming tales Mr. thick skinned. Some of the funniest shit I've read here in a while.

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Allow me to ask you a question... should places like cocoa beach or Daytona have signs warning of possible shark attacks or should it be considered generally common knowledge that there exists a possibility that you're possibly in close proximity to those animals? Don't use the Disney thing as a backdrop to your answer. Just a serious answer.



The duty isn't as high since we are talking about public property, but I do believe they have a duty to warn if there is a history of attacks or if there is a shark sighting in the area that they are aware of. I believe many beaches, if not all, do this already. A quick google search reveals many pictures of shark warning signs at countless different beaches.

I saw a show during shark week that identified Daytona as one of the world's most dangerous beaches in terms of shark attacks... like top 5 iirc. I thought it was interesting cause last time I was there there was not one sign or flag or anything and it turns out was within a couple months of an attack.

I see your point on the public property thing but what bothers me is that a lot more people will be injured or killed on public property than at Disney in Florida from these types of things.

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Stop saying the kid was swimming. He drowned so its pretty clear he wasnt swimming.

Boom!

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Gator attack: Disney knew of problems, staffer asked for fence at lagoon

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Seacrest... you are shitty as fuck at accepting a little ball busting.
I told you several times that I was making light of the bigfan situation in the what the hell is wrong with Seacrest thread but you got all things skinned and whiney about it and unknowingly did precisely what I was trying to parody bigfan about in that thread.

There are just some folks you can't really bust their chops even though they love doing it themselves. You're one of those types.


Thin skinned my ass. You are full of shit here, just like you were then.

Go back to telling Daytona swimming tales Mr. thick skinned. Some of the funniest shit I've read here in a while.

Daytona swimming tales... ok.
My wife's brother and I went swimming at Daytona a few days after Katrina occured... learning more about sharks that was a really dangerous time to be on the beach as for days and weeks after a hurricane sharks are much more aggressive and confused.

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Disney World is not the same as a public beach or any other public place. It's not an apples-to-apples comparison. Disney has a tremendous set of duties owed to its guests because of the nature of its business.


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Maybe rubes think UF's sports teams are just named after something that used to freely roam the area before we killed them all, you know, like the Seminoles.
:lol:

This was good. Like really good.

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I think most people equate a "no swimming" sign with the fact that either there are no lifeguards present or the water is very deep
Not that there could be bacteria, leeches etc as Rick said, or God forbid an alligator
It shouldn't matter. No swimming means they don't want you in the water for some reason.

If the kid had slipped and drowned would we suddenly blame the parents?

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This is also the first time it has happened in the history of the park, with millions of kids being all around.

What other signs should they have to warns of dangers that have literally never been a danger?

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Seacrest... you are shitty as fuck at accepting a little ball busting.
I told you several times that I was making light of the bigfan situation in the what the hell is wrong with Seacrest thread but you got all things skinned and whiney about it and unknowingly did precisely what I was trying to parody bigfan about in that thread.

There are just some folks you can't really bust their chops even though they love doing it themselves. You're one of those types.


Thin skinned my ass. You are full of shit here, just like you were then.

Go back to telling Daytona swimming tales Mr. thick skinned. Some of the funniest shit I've read here in a while.

Daytona swimming tales... ok.
My wife's brother and I went swimming at Daytona a few days after Katrina occured... learning more about sharks that was a really dangerous time to be on the beach as for days and weeks after a hurricane sharks are much more aggressive and confused.


I think I speak for everyone here, including shakes...I'm glad you are safe.

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 Post subject: Re: Disney
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I think most people equate a "no swimming" sign with the fact that either there are no lifeguards present or the water is very deep
Not that there could be bacteria, leeches etc as Rick said, or God forbid an alligator
It shouldn't matter. No swimming means they don't want you in the water for some reason.

If the kid had slipped and drowned would we suddenly blame the parents?

There is a fraction of blame to be assigned to the parents I think. I'm not a parent so I don't know exactly but I understand children can literally drown in three inches of water... so I imagine that my toddler would be in physical contact with me as he toddler in ankle deep water.
It's odd to me that a toddler would be allowed to be in a foot of water in the dark without a parent holding his or her hand or right there. The story I read said the parent jumped in after the kid... meaning there weren't right there.

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I think I speak for everyone here, including shakes...I'm glad you are safe.

Thanks. You're a peach.

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but there's also this mythology about Disney that every single inch of the park is completely and totally controlled.


This is the thing that gets me. I have been to Disney numerous times. And every time there I felt that Disney was in total control of every part of their resort. I am honestly amazed that there was an area that gators could get to where people were located. I can easily see how a family (especially one not from Florida) would think that there was no risk of gators in that beach area.



I'm stunned there isn't a team whose sole job is to look for and catch gators on the Disney properties.


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Lawyering is predominantly semantics manipulation. This is pretty simple to me, and anyone taking the side of Disney is just trolling for debate. The sign said no swimming. The sign did not say no standing in water, nor did it say there are prehistoric killing machines lurking in the water. Basically, the lack of specificity, and seemingly negligent environment will be scrutinized by the family's lawyer.

There are 1.25 million estimated alligators in Florida. I'm sure that population has only multiplied since Hachetman was skinny dipping in the lakes down there. They are a menace, but fried gator meat really does taste good.
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There is a fraction of blame to be assigned to the parents I think. I'm not a parent so I don't know exactly but I understand children can literally drown in three inches of water... so I imagine that my toddler would be in physical contact with me as he toddler in ankle deep water.
It's odd to me that a toddler would be allowed to be in a foot of water in the dark without a parent holding his or her hand or right there. The story I read said the parent jumped in after the kid... meaning there weren't right there.


I have no idea how close or far away the dad was but the last thing most 2 year olds will do is hold your hand near water. If I were at a Disney resort on a man made beach with no swimming signs, I could see myself being 5 ft or so away from my 3rd child that is wandering around or maybe throwing rocks/sand in the water at 9:30 at night. That does not make me a bad person or stupid. I know there are alligators in Florida. I did not know there were ones on Disney properties.


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This is also the first time it has happened in the history of the park, with millions of kids being all around.


as has been covered in this thread and in the articles posted, there has recently been a change in the environment with new bungalows close to the water and guests feeding them. Article posted cited workers claiming they had warned their bosses of increasing alligator activity.

Also, just because something hasn't happened doesn't mean it won't. You don't get a get out of jail free card the first time you're negligent.


Boilermaker Rick wrote:
What other signs should they have to warns of dangers that have literally never been a danger?


any that are foreseeable.

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I have twin two year olds. They shouldnt even be awake at 930 let alone splashing around on a beach. I understand you are on vacation but use your common sense.


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I know one thing. It will never happen again. Cuz ain't nobody going near the water at this resort again. So good of them to put up the signs now. But they got the message out without them.


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yeah they don't need signs now. We have to go there soon. Maybe these 2k cabins are going to drop in price.


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I know one thing. It will never happen again. Cuz ain't nobody going near the water at this resort again. So good of them to put up the signs now. But they got the message out without them.

I think there was a picture posted yesterday from a grandma showing here grandson playing on the same shoreline where the child was snatched.

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