I saw this stupid shit in a Facebook Sox group and naturally it infuriated me:



The comments were even worse, all sorts of stupidity about a lack of "run support". Pitch the goddamn game you're in and pitch better than the guy every asshole keeps claiming you're so much better than.

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He has impeccable command until he doesn't....

More awful thoughts. IF he were facing the Sox offense you would have a point. For over 7 innings he had given up 1 run and of course the Sox couldn't score. He has nearly 120 career starts (Out of nearly 140) where he has given up 3 runs or less. Clearly he sucks.

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He has to be perfect.

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He is good. He is not great but for about 24 MLB teams he is a damn good #2.

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Not a mult.

This dumb thought again. The Indians average 4.6 runs per game and the Sox 4.1. For any practical purpose, within the space of a single game the offenses are virtually the same and that's without considering the Indians have to face The Great Quintana while the Sox get to go against Bauer, who I assume you believe is not as good.

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With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

Maybe CSFMB Admin powers cause people to go looney...

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No he doesn't. He just has to be better than Trevor Bauer and Danny Duffy et al, which is something he can't manage to do more than half the time.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
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With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

I know. How could anyone think a guy with a losing record over 140 starts is great?

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With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

Quintana has had literally historic bad run support this season.

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By "run support" do you mean the runs allowed by the opposing pitchers in the games Quintana pitches who supposedly aren't as good as he is? And if that's the case, don't most starters who face Quintana get bad "run support" themselves?

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Is a pitcher that allows ten runs per game but always wins better than a pitcher who allows two runs per game but always loses?

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You'll have to show me such a pitcher before I can reasonably discuss it. I assure you he does not exist.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
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I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

At some point a pitcher is what his record says he is.

But you also can look deeper into why that's the case.

If a pitcher is consistently holding an opposing team below their average runs scored, he's doing a pretty good job.

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The thing is, "run support" is a relatively new construction designed to excuse a pitcher for losing. It's not a term I ever heard as a kid. It's a non-competitive concept.

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With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

Except, they're not. That .6 R/G difference is more than 1 standard deviation of the R/G distribution of the AL, or 30% of the entire spread of the distribution. The Sox are, almost, an entire standard deviation from the mean of the AL R/G distribution, which the Indians are above.

Within the context of the AL run environment, that nominal .6 R/G difference is not at all insignificant.

I think I first heard it when Britt Burns got none in the '83 ALCS. Ugh...

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How can a team score .6 of a run? PRACTICAL.

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With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

So, why did you round Cleveland's average down instead of the more PRACTICAL up for a value more than .5? Using that PRACTICAL method, and your assertion that their respective offenses are essentially the same becomes even more idiotic.

Honestly, I didn't look that closely when I divided 304 by 66. I knew it was around half a run. But I'll ask another question. Is it reasonable to believe that .6 run difference is being established vs. top guys as you keep insisting Quintana is?

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
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With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

He'sa great #2 and he would be a #1 on some teams.

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You believe Vazquez was better than Buehrle, so I'm not sure you agree that .6 of a run cannot be scored in a game. But if you do, you must admit it takes more than a single game to establish such a difference.

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JORR would tell you that guy is better because his team won.

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Find me those two pitchers and we'll discuss them.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
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With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

I would say it is reasonable to believe that such a difference is more the result of the White Sox performing poorly against average-at-best pitching (and being absolutely shut down by good-to-great pitchers) than it is the Indians beating up on really good guys like Quintana.

Yes or no......

did the sox cut the wrong guy? Mat Latos was cut with a 6-2 record and the sox were 8-3 in his games. He is a career winning pitcher and had a .750 winning percentage when cut.

Don't be obtuse jorr. You know the point im making.

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Do you feel like that's a large enough sample? Latos is finished. I will say if Quintana retired tomorrow, Latos had a better career.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

But it has to be realistic.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don