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PostPosted: Sun Jun 19, 2016 10:07 am 
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Every reporter/analyst/insider parrots the Sox have an organizational mandate of always "going for it" from Jerry.

Is time (old age) the only change between 1997 and past 4-5 years?

He dismantled a team with a closing window while now refusing to dismantle a team that never had a window.

Pretty odd for the cat that first drew the template for Theo to copy 15 years later.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 19, 2016 10:09 am 
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MANY agree.

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No. I just don't get why he was OK with White Flag trade but now rebuilds are not allowed per his supposed orders.


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 Post subject: Re: Going For It
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He's old and bad and dumb?

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 Post subject: Re: Going For It
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No. I just don't get why he was OK with White Flag trade but now rebuilds are not allowed per his supposed orders.


Attendance dropped significantly in the two seasons after the white flag trade, and Jerry is nearing the end of the line. He doesn't want to watch a rebuild.

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 Post subject: Re: Going For It
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Im not sure there is a white flag trade to be made this year.

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 Post subject: Re: Going For It
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Im not sure there is a white flag trade to be made this year.


Of course there is. f they wanted to trade Sale, Cabrerra, Quintana, Robertson, Frazier and Abreau, they could stock their minor league system with a load of talent that could be making a huge difference in a year or two. In the meantime, they lose lots of games and wind up with great draft picks. it is painful in the short term, but IF they identify and acquire the right young players in trades and draft and develop the right talent as well.....just look across town and you will see the results. of course many teams have tried and are trying to employ this strategy, with many having less success with it than Theo and Jed and the scouting department who have all executed the plan very well.

That said, I don't think the Sox will do it. The fans don't support them now very well and they are trying to win. If they do a white flag again, the stands will be empty.

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 Post subject: Re: Going For It
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Hawk blames the floating strikezone.

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Hawk blames the floating strikezone.

Best ever batting against a floating strikezone? Dick Groat.

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newper wrote:
jimmypasta wrote:
Hawk blames the floating strikezone.

Best ever batting against a floating strikezone? Dick Groat.


Vlad Guerrero

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 Post subject: Re: Going For It
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leashyourkids wrote:
newper wrote:
jimmypasta wrote:
Hawk blames the floating strikezone.

Best ever batting against a floating strikezone? Dick Groat.


Vlad Guerrero

That dude looked like he was in pain 24hrs a day.

Vlad not Dick.


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 Post subject: Re: Going For It
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would be interesting to force shields contract on someone else... try to set a major league record for most # of teams paying off a bad contract


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 Post subject: Re: Going For It
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leashyourkids wrote:
newper wrote:
jimmypasta wrote:
Hawk blames the floating strikezone.

Best ever batting against a floating strikezone? Dick Groat.


Vlad Guerrero


After Yaz of course.

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 Post subject: Re: Going For It
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If the Yankees and Cubs are talking Schwarber for Miller I would love for the Sox to weasel their way into that deal as a 3rd team. Grab Schwarber, Aaron Judge and a midrange couple farm arms for Jose Quintana...yes fucking please.


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 Post subject: Re: Going For It
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Contract stipulations or egos might prevent it, but the solution is right there in front of the Sox.

Hire Jason McLeod and Dave Martinez and get out of the way.


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 Post subject: Re: Going For It
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Jerry is tanking to look bad so when his kid takes over and returns the team to glory (or a properly run organization) he is given all the credit.

That's what a father does for his kid.

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 Post subject: Re: Going For It
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Matches Malone wrote:
Contract stipulations or egos might prevent it, but the solution is right there in front of the Sox.

Hire Jason McLeod and Dave Martinez and get out of the way.

Mcleod can find ya a hitter at the top of the draft but how's he been at finding arms?


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Keyser Soze wrote:
Matches Malone wrote:
Contract stipulations or egos might prevent it, but the solution is right there in front of the Sox.

Hire Jason McLeod and Dave Martinez and get out of the way.

Mcleod can find ya a hitter at the top of the draft but how's he been at finding arms?

Come on man, you wouldn't take McLeod's drafting ability right now and not look back?


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 Post subject: Re: Going For It
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Maybe he can find Shield's arm.


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 Post subject: Re: Going For It
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Terry's Peeps wrote:
Jerry is tanking to look bad so when his kid takes over and returns the team to glory (or a properly run organization) he is given all the credit.

That's what a father does for his kid.

I've heard on 670 Jerry's kid runs da boo. They're on the right track..


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 Post subject: Re: Going For It
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Matches Malone wrote:
Contract stipulations or egos might prevent it, but the solution is right there in front of the Sox.

Hire Jason McLeod and Dave Martinez and get out of the way.


Bosio would be the coach you would look to pilfer.

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 Post subject: Re: Going For It
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good dolphin wrote:
Matches Malone wrote:
Contract stipulations or egos might prevent it, but the solution is right there in front of the Sox.

Hire Jason McLeod and Dave Martinez and get out of the way.


Bosio would be the coach you would look to pilfer.

I could see that.

You wouldn't take McLeod?


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 Post subject: Re: Going For It
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Matches Malone wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
Matches Malone wrote:
Contract stipulations or egos might prevent it, but the solution is right there in front of the Sox.

Hire Jason McLeod and Dave Martinez and get out of the way.


Bosio would be the coach you would look to pilfer.

I could see that.

You wouldn't take McLeod?


I haven't thought about it much but Theo's two underlings strike me as guys who will not thrive in the hot seat. I don't denigrate it. In fact its admirable to understand your limitation.

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 Post subject: Re: Going For It
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Maybe he can find Shield's arm.

Finding a use for it would be the bigger miracle.

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