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PostPosted: Wed Jun 22, 2016 9:32 am 
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I probably never would have came back If this board sale ended up not happening. After my last banning when Bigfan got extremely hateful, edited my posts, and then slandered me, I was done. I'm all for giving or receiving shots (it's expected in a community like this), but all the bullshit he tried to throw at me made me never want to post here again. He might have been the worst shit talker I have ever seen in the history of the internet, and that includes almost a decade of reading WWN's posts. I'm sure that's why so many others have stepped away over the years too.


You got a raw deal. You and Frank have a special place in BF's Hall of Hate. If you and Frank just ignored him in threads before it got bad, I suspect he would have left you alone. But I think you guys needled him a lot, and he seemed quite thin skinned.

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Denis, you can like whoever you want and post wherever you want. None of that personally bothers me. Its just very hard to me to understand how somebody can still like, and more importantly respect, a guy like bigfan give all of the things he has done to MANY posters on this site.

This isn't some "he said he said" internet pissing match either. There are similar accounts from several different people on this board about what bigfan has done and said.

Even if the arbitrary bannings and prunings didn't bother you Denis, or anyone else. Fact is what bigfan did to the Big 3 is simply inexcusable. I'm just happy things worked out the way they did, and that not only is this board still here, its under new and probably better management.

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 Post subject: Re: bigfan's new board
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The DB hate never made any sense to me either. He was always backhand my DB comments with, "we know you love him". I just think DB is funny in a simple and creative way. It sure is nice seeing his posts around here again.

It never made any sense to anyone except for the small handful of his sycophant apologists ... and even then I would suggest it wasn't a matter of it making sense to them but was instead something they could reflexively be Pavlovian yip-dogs about.

It's alright though ... what's done is done, it's over. There's every indication that it has all worked out in the end because enough good cats put in the time and effort to make it as such and I think that's the more important thing to remember going forward as opposed to dwelling on the shortcomings of the recently deposed. Maybe in time 'trade relations' will normalize, who knows.

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I probably never would have came back If this board sale ended up not happening. After my last banning when Bigfan got extremely hateful, edited my posts, and then slandered me, I was done. I'm all for giving or receiving shots (it's expected in a community like this), but all the bullshit he tried to throw at me made me never want to post here again. He might have been the worst shit talker I have ever seen in the history of the internet, and that includes almost a decade of reading WWN's posts. I'm sure that's why so many others have stepped away over the years too.


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He always struck me as a misogynous jerk. Discussed it with KI at the Cobra Lounge before a Bulls outing once.


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He always struck me as a misogynous jerk. Discussed it with KI at the Cobra Lounge before a Bulls outing once.
OH NO YOU KD DIDN'T!

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 Post subject: Re: bigfan's new board
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Denis, you can like whoever you want and post wherever you want. None of that personally bothers me. Its just very hard to me to understand how somebody can still like, and more importantly respect, a guy like bigfan give all of the things he has done to MANY posters on this site.

This isn't some "he said he said" internet pissing match either. There are similar accounts from several different people on this board about what bigfan has done and said.

Even if the arbitrary bannings and prunings didn't bother you Denis, or anyone else. Fact is what bigfan did to the Big 3 is simply inexcusable. I'm just happy things worked out the way they did, and that not only is this board still here, its under new and probably better management.


Hey that's fair enough. Here's my take:

In my personal interactions on the board, BF always gave me a warning of when to back off. And I did under with the knowledge this is his show. In my observation of the way you interacted with him, for instance, you continued to be antagonistic. That was your choice to keep pushing the envelope with him. And you faced those consequences. I didn't like the way he treated you, but I think you made your own grave. Just saying.

I am not taking his side. It is just the way I view the thing.

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 Post subject: Re: bigfan's new board
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Denis, you can like whoever you want and post wherever you want. None of that personally bothers me. Its just very hard to me to understand how somebody can still like, and more importantly respect, a guy like bigfan give all of the things he has done to MANY posters on this site.

This isn't some "he said he said" internet pissing match either. There are similar accounts from several different people on this board about what bigfan has done and said.

Even if the arbitrary bannings and prunings didn't bother you Denis, or anyone else. Fact is what bigfan did to the Big 3 is simply inexcusable. I'm just happy things worked out the way they did, and that not only is this board still here, its under new and probably better management.


Hey that's fair enough. Here's my take:

In my personal interactions on the board, BF always gave me a warning of when to back off. And I did under with the knowledge this is his show. In my observation of the way you interacted with him, for instance, you continued to be antagonistic. That was your choice to keep pushing the envelope with him. And you faced those consequences. I didn't like the way he treated you, but I think you made your own grave. Just saying.

I am not taking his side. It is just the way I view the thing.
I think that makes you a sycophantic apologist Dennis.

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He always struck me as a misogynous jerk. Discussed it with KI at the Cobra Lounge before a Bulls outing once.
OH NO YOU KD DIDN'T!

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KDdidit wrote:
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He always struck me as a misogynous jerk. Discussed it with KI at the Cobra Lounge before a Bulls outing once.
OH NO YOU KD DIDN'T!

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Been called much worse BR.

It would be easy for me to sit here and jump on the BF hate train. It's not my style. I give you guys my straight up honest opinions from politics, Cubs/Sox, finance, and board interactions. When BF took shots at the Clash crew, it was painful for me. I have hung with with several in that gang and like them a lot. But the problems were between them and BF. I had thoughts of leaving the board during the Leash, IMU, and DB bans.

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KDdidit wrote:
Frank Coztansa wrote:
KDdidit wrote:
He always struck me as a misogynous jerk. Discussed it with KI at the Cobra Lounge before a Bulls outing once.
OH NO YOU KD DIDN'T!

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Denis, you can like whoever you want and post wherever you want. None of that personally bothers me. Its just very hard to me to understand how somebody can still like, and more importantly respect, a guy like bigfan give all of the things he has done to MANY posters on this site.

This isn't some "he said he said" internet pissing match either. There are similar accounts from several different people on this board about what bigfan has done and said.

Even if the arbitrary bannings and prunings didn't bother you Denis, or anyone else. Fact is what bigfan did to the Big 3 is simply inexcusable. I'm just happy things worked out the way they did, and that not only is this board still here, its under new and probably better management.


Hey that's fair enough. Here's my take:

In my personal interactions on the board, BF always gave me a warning of when to back off. And I did under with the knowledge this is his show. In my observation of the way you interacted with him, for instance, you continued to be antagonistic. That was your choice to keep pushing the envelope with him. And you faced those consequences. I didn't like the way he treated you, but I think you made your own grave. Just saying.

I am not taking his side. It is just the way I view the thing.


I think MANY of us thought the Frank v BF thing was a bit for MANY years. The first banning was really a surprise.

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There are a lot of posts in this thread that are basically telling me why I should dislike him and even some saying I should not post on his board. I agree that a lot of stuff he allegedly did to folks I like is wrong. But in some ways, folks are doing the same thing that you accuse him of. I am fine with MANY of you not liking him and not posting on his new board. For my part, my interactions with him were fine. Should that change, then I may join the parade of dislike.
No one is saying to like or dislike him. I still like him and hope he comes back here to post.

The discussion has been about being complicit in wanting people like leash and douchebag to be completely severed from us. I won't be posting on his new board because I don't think that is right. Going over and posting on his board is basically a vote for a board where many of the people you claim to like are not allowed to post and are clearly not wanted at. You can pretend like you are just playing neutral observer but it really isn't.

This is the open board where everyone, including bigfan, is free to post.

Just imagine if everyone who was allowed to post there switched to his board. What would that mean for the people who bigfan has decided are not worthy?

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Frank has been kind of a mystery to me. I have seen a lot of angst with him from other posters, mainly cheerleader Cubs fans. But objectively reading his posts, I think he is pretty honest and reasonable in his assessment of the Cubs and Sox. In all my years here, I never have had cause to get upset with him.

Even in this thread, we can have a reasonable disagreement.

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I had thoughts of leaving the board during the Leash, IMU, and DB bans.
Why?

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There are a lot of posts in this thread that are basically telling me why I should dislike him and even some saying I should not post on his board. I agree that a lot of stuff he allegedly did to folks I like is wrong. But in some ways, folks are doing the same thing that you accuse him of. I am fine with MANY of you not liking him and not posting on his new board. For my part, my interactions with him were fine. Should that change, then I may join the parade of dislike.
No one is saying to like or dislike him. I still like him and hope he comes back here to post.

The discussion has been about being complicit in wanting people like leash and douchebag to be completely severed from us. I won't be posting on his new board because I don't think that is right. Going over and posting on his board is basically a vote for a board where many of the people you claim to like are not allowed to post and are clearly not wanted at. You can pretend like you are just playing neutral observer but it really isn't.

This is the open board where everyone, including bigfan, is free to post.

Just imagine if everyone who was allowed to post there switched to his board. What would that mean for the people who bigfan has decided are not worthy?


I would post with those folks here. I can handle visiting three message boards. I love Firefox tabs.

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The biggest problem was that bigfan not only disliked someone, but expected you to also dislike them, and to accept that they would be gone for a long time if not forever. I tried to reason with him when there were strong discussions about creating a new board by basically saying "There are a lot of people that like the people you banned, and they want to interact with them, so eventually a decision has to be made to create a place where that is possible. We all want to stay and hang out and post here but that doesn't seem like an option". He basically took it as us trying to "force" him to do something he didn't want to do and then basically said "You'll be banned if you do it".

I think this was easily confirmed when he would rather have seen the board destroyed because some of those people were back.


There are a lot of posts in this thread that are basically telling me why I should dislike him and even some saying I should not post on his board. I agree that a lot of stuff he allegedly did to folks I like is wrong. But in some ways, folks are doing the same thing that you accuse him of. I am fine with MANY of you not liking him and not posting on his new board. For my part, my interactions with him were fine. Should that change, then I may join the parade of dislike.

Each time I did something he did not like, he gave me fair warning to cut it out. I think MANY people here pushed the envelope and baited/dared him to ban them. FF comes to mind.

His behavior towards the end was not reflective of the prior 10 years.


That's simply untrue.

I honestly never interacted with Bigfan much, as I found his posts to be unreadable, for years. However, a couple years ago I had some interaction with him in the Ferguson thread. Specifically, he created a thread threatening to ban Chus. I posted one phrase in that thread. It simply said (in response to others who had said it was way overboard to ban Chus) "Thirded. Totally overboard." That single post led me to be banned for 11 months with no forewarning and no rationale.

When I was gone, there were MANY posts about me that he posted that were completely untrue. I emailed him a couple times, and rather than replying to me like an adult, he came and posted what I wrote to him on the board... except what he wrote was always twisted or completely fabricated.

I returned last year when we were all "unbanned." At this point, despite my disdain for him, I told myself I would not interact with him on any level and it would be fine. This worked for some time, and he and I even had pleasant PM exchanges. I was even able to talk to him about trying to unban others who were banned, like Kirkwood, FF, etc.

Unfortunately, this led me to believing I could again interact with him in a respectful way... and I was wrong. I made the mistake of joining his NCAA elimination tourney and sent him $30 to partake. After a few rounds, he had clearly eliminated one of my teams which should not have been eliminated. I didn't think that he had done it on purpose, so I just noted in the thread that his teams were incorrect (as did Chus). It wasn't the least bit disrespectful or argumentative... but it led to him deleting my posts and sending me a PM threatening to ban me.

It was all downhill from there. As MANY recall, he deleted and edited posts in Rick's March Madness Tourney to try to sabotage any chances I had to win (again, to any adult, the tourney is just a "fun" thing, but it would irritate anyone if the moderator EDITED posts to change the votes and deleted others). Again, I took some jabs at him for that (who wouldn't?) but nothing out of bounds. Keep in mind I wasn't interacting with him at all... this was all his own doing.

After the board was turned over and he didn't have the ability to ban anyone, he went off the deep end. He clearly wasn't sure what he could do to maintain his power, so he started making things up about people. As MANY probably also remember, he posted in a thread that during one of our PM exchanges, I basically talked crap about Favrefan and IMU. This was an obvious attempt to try to make me look like a BACKSTABBER. Thanks to Seacrest's recommendation, I checked my PM's and fortunately still had a copy of the PM he was referencing, and I posted it for all to see. It was obvious that not only did I not talk crap about FF and IMU; I said that our COC "group" (including myself) just enjoyed talking crap to each other. Of course, there was no response from him and no remorse for misrepresenting what I said.

Finally, when he had his meltdown, he threatened to ban me, CHUSE, FF, DB, and even JBills simply because he posted a gif in response to his thread. Add to this timeline all the times he has ripped on people's jobs, people choosing to stay at home to raise kids, people's economic status, etc. and I don't see at all how you can say that people "poked" him in a way that he didn't deserve. 99% of the things I ever personally witnessed or dealt with him on were triggered by his own actions and him throwing a temper tantrum when others dared to correct his misrepresentations of them.

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I would post with those folks here. I can handle visiting three message boards. I love Firefox tabs.
What if everyone did that though?

Doesn't that suck for those who are deemed unworthy?

I'd understand if bigfan was banned here, but he isn't. Not posting here seems to be his choice.

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He saw the Clash crew, namely you and FF, as one person. And FF went after him hard, if memory serves. I can hardly separate the stuff that was posted, the stuff said in person, and the stuff said in Clash chat. It all runs together. But my recollection was a lot of militancy.

Your banning hurt more than any other as we had become quite friendly.....

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and even JBills simply because he posted a gif in response to his thread.


He hates mults and GIFs which always struck me as being like a guy who owned a McDonald's hating Big Macs and Quarter Pounders.

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I would post with those folks here. I can handle visiting three message boards. I love Firefox tabs.
What if everyone did that though?

Doesn't that suck for those who are deemed unworthy?

I'd understand if bigfan was banned here, but he isn't. Not posting here seems to be his choice.


If everyone posts where they are allowed to post, then I will get to see everyone's thoughts on at least one of the boards.

The whole thing sucks. We're supposed to be a community centered around sports talk, and we've now wasted 15 pages (in large part) discussing a guy who apparently jerked MANY people around. We've also wasted hundreds on a bad feminist update girl, and scores on a cheating radio producer.

I hate the whole thing and love it at the same time. I am thrilled that most of the best are back here.

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He saw the Clash crew, namely you and FF, as one person. And FF went after him hard, if memory serves. I can hardly separate the stuff that was posted, the stuff said in person, and the stuff said in Clash chat. It all runs together. But my recollection was a lot of militancy.

Your banning hurt more than any other as we had become quite friendly.....


Well, I think we still are, aren't we? I'm not going to dislike someone simply because of something like that. I enjoy hanging out... I just disagree with you that pretty much anything he got wasn't deserved. I understand what you're saying about just seeing it from your perspective... we just see things differently on this matter, and I think I would have a different view even if I was in your shoes. It's fine, though.

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He hates mults and GIFs which were not his.
Fixed.

Halfpint, Teelander, and My Guy (among others) were all clearly controlled by bigfan. When they stopped posting I just assumed he had lost the password to them.

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and even JBills simply because he posted a gif in response to his thread.


He hates mults and GIFs which always struck me as being like a guy who owned a McDonald's hating Big Macs and Quarter Pounders.


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He saw the Clash crew, namely you and FF, as one person. And FF went after him hard, if memory serves. I can hardly separate the stuff that was posted, the stuff said in person, and the stuff said in Clash chat. It all runs together. But my recollection was a lot of militancy.

Your banning hurt more than any other as we had become quite friendly.....


Well, I think we still are, aren't we? I'm not going to dislike someone simply because of something like that. I enjoy hanging out... I just disagree with you that pretty much anything he got wasn't deserved. I understand what you're saying about just seeing it from your perspective... we just see things differently on this matter, and I think I would have a different view even if I was in your shoes. It's fine, though.


Hell yeah we're friends. Us insurance guys have to stick together.

I can't even begin to tell you how pissed I was when you were banned. I was in Clash chat constantly just to communicate with you guys. Again, that was between you and BF. If I had jumped in, I would have been banned. But it was his board. I followed his rules. I will follow whatever rules he sets out on his board and whatever the big three set out here.

You guys had off board interactions in PM's, texts, e-mails, in person. I was not privy to that stuff, which inevitable becomes he said she said. I can only judge what is posted and what my personal experiences are.

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All of these examples make my run-ins with BF seem even more trivial.


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Ugueth Will Shiv You wrote:
All of these examples make my run-ins with BF seem even more trivial.

Did you ever end up getting that shirt?

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Ice Girl is a real ice girl and not someones bad mult?!? :lol: :lol: :lol: Miss a little, miss a lot. How'd we score a member of the Blackhawks to the board??

Actually it's more along the lines of " How did Drinky score with an ice girl" .


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Ugueth Will Shiv You wrote:
All of these examples make my run-ins with BF seem even more trivial.

Did you ever end up getting that shirt?

Negative.


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