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PostPosted: Wed Jun 22, 2016 6:32 pm 
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Did you see Neil Steinberg wanted to show how "easy" it is to get a gun and went to a gun shop in Des Plaines all smug and gun grabby. He filled out the paperwork and they denied him the gun because he has a record as a drunk and a wifebeater. :lol:

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Did you see Neil Steinberg wanted to show how "easy" it is to get a gun and went to a gun shop in Des Plaines all smug and gun grabby. He filled out the paperwork and they denied him the gun because he has a record as a drunk and a wifebeater. :lol:

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I own multiple firearms, but there is no reason to own these AR15s or anything like them. Home defense should be a shotgun or a handgun. Someone on a no-fly list or a watch list should not be able to purchase a fire arm. These gun shows need to be regulated as well as private sales of guns. I have a friend who sells privately and he really doesn't check anything.

I agree with the AR15 thing. I agree with your home defense points. Excellent points.
I would disagree with the no fly list as there is no due process that would result in you losing a constitutional right.
Right now in Illinois, you lose your FOID if you are simply accused of a domestic violence incident. Two things, no due process and also I believe that results in people not reporting domestic violence in fear of losing an important right.


Ah the AR15. Silly point. Without the 30 round magazine does less than a 30/06. But it looks real mean.

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Here it is...

http://dailycaller.com/2016/06/21/repor ... -is-fails/

He tried to spin it that the report was about how they would sell a gun to a terrorist but not a reporter.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Did you see Neil Steinberg wanted to show how "easy" it is to get a gun and went to a gun shop in Des Plaines all smug and gun grabby. He filled out the paperwork and they denied him the gun because he has a record as a drunk and a wifebeater. :lol:

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Yes I did.

It was pretty funny.

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And why would anyone want to own an AR-15 for home defense? If you miss you'll risk hitting Ed from down the block! I would own one because I want to own one.

In my opinion the best weapon for home defense is a 12 gauge shotty.
Next is a 9mm or 45 cal handgun. If you are unable physically to use those weapons a .32 or .38. I think a .22 is fairly useless as a home defense weapon.
I do not believe that calling the police and waiting for a response is a valid home defense strategy.
My police friends tell me that their safety is actually considered before the citizens... meaning that in a bad moment, potentially lethal for a officer, they will not charge in to save you if it's too dangerous.



Love you guys but it is not the 2nd amendment right to home defense.

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I'm not sure what your 2 cents means. Would you mind explaining it?

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Why not have magazine size restrictions?

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I'm not sure what your 2 cents means. Would you mind explaining it?


Some have said this or that gun (usually an AR 15) is not needed for home defense. I say so what that isn't a prerequisite of the right.

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Why not have magazine size restrictions?

Because they serve no purpose.
What difference does a 17 round magazine make over a 9 round one when I literally can swap a magazine out in less that one second.
I already see the converse point... if you can have 2 9 round magazines reloaded in the same time as one 17 round one why not just go with the two smaller ones?
Reason is because pointless restrictions are pointless. There's enough room for real changes that stuff like this, pointless stuff, is really only a bargaining chip.

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Why not have magazine size restrictions?


You could. But say a rifle is limited to 10 rounds. Some 9mm hand guns can hold 12-15. They fire rounds at exactly the same rate. One shot per finger pull as fast as you can repeat that.

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I'm not sure what your 2 cents means. Would you mind explaining it?


Some have said this or that gun (usually an AR 15) is not needed for home defense. I say so what that isn't a prerequisite of the right.

Yeah ok. I dig your rap.
I find AR15 pointless.
But I also find Humvees pointless. I don't know why someone would want one but if you want it... whatever.

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I don't know why anyone would drive something other than a GTI.

But I imagine some guy might have a harder time killing 50 people having to reload every 5 shots instead of every 30 shots. That is a lot of magazines he has to carry around...a lot of swapping time...maybe enough time for a security guard or cop, sometimes, to take a shot.

It won't solve for 100% of our mass shooting deaths. But I'm willing to consider any changes that could reduce it by even 5% or 10%.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Did you see Neil Steinberg wanted to show how "easy" it is to get a gun and went to a gun shop in Des Plaines all smug and gun grabby. He filled out the paperwork and they denied him the gun because he has a record as a drunk and a wifebeater. :lol:


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Love you guys but it is not the 2nd amendment right to home defense.

Peace and Love. Said my 2 cents.


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Love you guys but it is not the 2nd amendment right to home defense.

Peace and Love. Said my 2 cents.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 23, 2016 7:44 am 
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Darkside wrote:
I'm not sure what your 2 cents means. Would you mind explaining it?


Some have said this or that gun (usually an AR 15) is not needed for home defense. I say so what that isn't a prerequisite of the right.

PittMike when you talk about the "right", are the people you are referring to part of the National Guard?


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I'm not a gun guy, but I don't like workarounds of the Second Amendment. Liberals who claim the Second Amendment meant muskets are mistaken or disingenuous. The amendment exists because of who those guys were and what they went through. It's not about shooting deer or protecting oneself from prowlers. It's protection against an overreaching government. And the idea is that the power be equal. It doesn't do me any good to have a musket if the government has a tank.

I'd be in favor of limitations if the government itself (at least on the local level) had similar limitations. You'll hear people cite European countries, but their police forces aren't walking around the streets looking like an invading army armed to the teeth either.

Make no mistake, any politician that is in favor of gun control is taking about controlling your guns, not the guns protecting him, either in his pocket or on the hips of the bodyguard detail around him. Speaking of which, there's this Shakman trial with Daley's bodyguards that Rahm replaced. I say, fuck bodyguards for these politicians. We're short cops as it is, we don't need ten on Rahm and four on Ed Burke. If you're too frightened to be mayor without armed guards, get another job. I'm sure we'll be able to find someone willing to take the chance. The last time a mayor was shot was Cermak and there's controversy over whether the guy was aiming for him or Roosevelt. Before that I think it was Carter Harrison.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
I'm not a gun guy, but I don't like workarounds of the Second Amendment. Liberals who claim the Second Amendment meant muskets are mistaken or disingenuous.


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In today's world where a young lady singing at a mall and signing autographs is a target,there is no way in Hell our Mayor should not have bodyguards.

Alderman is another story. If Burke want's them,he can hire them. There are plenty of minor league politico's walking around our city with police escorts. It really is ridiculous.

As for guns,the guy who invented that assault rifle used in Orlando did not even own the gun. He made it specifically for the armed forces. Nobody needs to own an automatic rifle! If the Army was to walk down American streets today to "take over",it would still get done no matter what some hillbillies had in their arsenal.

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In today's world where a young lady singing at a mall and signing autographs is a target,there is no way in Hell our Mayor should not have bodyguards.

Alderman is another story. If Burke want's them,he can hire them. There are plenty of minor league politico's walking around our city with police escorts. It really is ridiculous.

As for guns,the guy who invented that assault rifle used in Orlando did not even own the gun. He made it specifically for the armed forces. Nobody needs to own an automatic rifle! If the Army was to walk down American streets today to "take over",it would still get done no matter what some hillbillies had in their arsenal.



Still can't get your head around the fact that automatic rifles are already outlawed huh?

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In today's world where a young lady singing at a mall and signing autographs is a target,there is no way in Hell our Mayor should not have bodyguards.

Alderman is another story. If Burke want's them,he can hire them. There are plenty of minor league politico's walking around our city with police escorts. It really is ridiculous.

As for guns,the guy who invented that assault rifle used in Orlando did not even own the gun. He made it specifically for the armed forces. Nobody needs to own an automatic rifle! If the Army was to walk down American streets today to "take over",it would still get done no matter what some hillbillies had in their arsenal.


Automatic rifles are illegal in the United States, Jimmy.


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If the Army was to walk down American streets today to "take over",it would still get done no matter what some hillbillies had in their arsenal.


You sure about that, jimmy? It didn't really work that way in Vietnam or Afghanistan.

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http://articles.latimes.com/2012/oct/16 ... s-20121016

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Why not just ban bullets? The constitution doesn't say anything about the right to bear bullets. Let people carry around their guns all they want.

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If the Army was to walk down American streets today to "take over",it would still get done no matter what some hillbillies had in their arsenal.


You sure about that, jimmy? It didn't really work that way in Vietnam or Afghanistan.


jungles and massive mountain terrain as opposed to condo's and brick ranches.

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If the Army was to walk down American streets today to "take over",it would still get done no matter what some hillbillies had in their arsenal.


You sure about that, jimmy? It didn't really work that way in Vietnam or Afghanistan.


jungles and massive mountain terrain as opposed to condo's and brick ranches.


I bet IMU and denis could take out an entire division from a balcony at Windsong Court with just a couple of rocket launchers.

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http://articles.latimes.com/2012/oct/16/news/la-pn-romney-illegal-automatic-weapons-20121016



Ok. But the Orlando guy or anyone recently that I can recall had a weapon manufactured prior to 1986. Moreover, your link spells out the process this guy would never pass to get one. It is extremely difficult for one to do so let alone a guy with this guy's background.

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So civilians should own rocket launchers,too?

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