Post under your real board name, please.

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Someguy is a warrior. He is vanquishing one enemy after another.

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Waiting for the time when I can finally say
That this has all been wonderful, but now I'm on my way

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"He is a loathsome, offensive brute
--yet I can't look away."

Sale is #3 in WAR, best pitcher in the MLB.

#2 is Eaton.

#5 is Arrieta.

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"All crowds boycotting football games shouldn't care who sings or takes a knee because they aren't watching." - Nas

I thought she was kind of cute even though she has gotten much heavier and is a lesbian

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O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.

Bump. Putting together a special year.

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Fare you well, fare you well
I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul

Bump. Still in play.

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Fare you well, fare you well
I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul

No bump stays in play for very long...

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We all have private ails. The troublemakers are they who need public cures for their private ails.- Eric Hoffer

13-2 pretty good on a not so good team....right Stevie

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I'm going to bounce from the spot for awhile but I will be back at some point to argue with you about this hoops stuff again. Playoffs have been great this season. See ya up the road.

I'm out.

Run support?

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I'm going to bounce from the spot for awhile but I will be back at some point to argue with you about this hoops stuff again. Playoffs have been great this season. See ya up the road.

I'm out.

So that's what he does when the TelePrompTer goes blank.

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We all have private ails. The troublemakers are they who need public cures for their private ails.- Eric Hoffer

The 13-2 would be more impressive in 1996, not 2016 where we have learned there are more valuable stats to measure a pitcher's worth than wins. That being said, he is definitely in the running in the AL... maybe Salazar ahead right now but he walks so many guys. Tanaka from the Yankees has put together a good start but so many no decisions -- his win loss is 5-2 or some ridiculously low total. Estrada in a similar situation in Toronto. The 13 wins might be the stat to put him over the top.

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"All crowds boycotting football games shouldn't care who sings or takes a knee because they aren't watching." - Nas

Oh boy, here we go....

You're right. He was better when he was 11-14.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

I know, he was more dominant a starter in 2015 than he has been this year. Much better strikeout rate, limited fly balls better, better use of his changeup, and all with an unlucky .323 BABIP. I'd take 2015 Crhis Sale over the 2016 incarnation.

JORR may be out there with his W/L record but he makes a much stronger case than JLN ever has.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Did you also know that NL pitchers are better than AL pitchers even though they lose to them most of the time?

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

K? His "case" is a classic one: the pitcher is responsible for the absence of offense from his team, and needs to "pitch to the game in front of him".

Thing is, the White Sox offense has been so anemic as to require pitchers to "pitch to" the level of a Roger Clemens if they want to come away with an inherently subjective and outdated statistic.

Is the difference between Jose Quintana and Roger Clemens mostly "luck" too?

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

I've never knocked Jose Quintana for not being Roger Clemens. I have knocked him for not being better than the guy he is facing most of the time. And I don't hate Quintana. He's just an ordinary guy. His perceived value is far greater than his actual value though.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

Blah blah blah "pitch to the game in front of you". The logic behind this is so absurd as to think a pitcher giving up 10 runs per game with an 12+ runs per game offense at his back "better" than the likes of Jose Quintana.

Blah blah, FIP, blah, Fangraphs, blah blah blah.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

How can you knock the cases I've made if you so clearly don't [wish to] understand them?

You're the one that says pitching isn't about getting guys out and limiting run scoring. You do you, playa'.

While I am speaking in general terms, your basic argument is that pitchers can only control walks, and strikeouts, and home runs(I think) and that pretty much any difference in anything else is just "luck". This is what makes Buehrle, who had a far superior career to Javy Vazquez, not better. It was all the "luck" he had in his career.

What am I not understanding?

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Pitching is about limiting run scoring to less than the guy(s) you're facing is giving up. Playa.

What you're doing is no different than saying Lightstream should be awarded the Kentucky Derby because he had a better Beyer than Nyquist had all year.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

Again, absurd logic, because your model would award "better" status to a pitcher who gave up more runs, but just so happened to still give up fewer runs than the other pitcher he was "facing", rather than the pitcher giving up fewer runs per game with a replacement-level batting lineup. Your model assigns value to a pitcher's "ability" to be on a team that scores more runs.

Yea!