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No. Cersei is Queen.

But there would be those that support a Targaryen making a claim to the throne. Or two...as the case seems to be.



I understand she is queen. What I am saying is, Jon Snow is the rightful heir.


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No. Cersei is Queen.

But there would be those that support a Targaryen making a claim to the throne. Or two...as the case seems to be.



I understand she is queen. What I am saying is, Jon Snow is the rightful heir.

No. The throne was taken. The Targaryens are no longer the royal family.

If Dany was currently Queen...then Jon would be the rightful King.

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IMU wrote:
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IMU wrote:
No. Cersei is Queen.

But there would be those that support a Targaryen making a claim to the throne. Or two...as the case seems to be.



I understand she is queen. What I am saying is, Jon Snow is the rightful heir.

No. The throne was taken. The Targaryens are no longer the royal family.

If Dany was currently Queen...then Jon would be the rightful King.



Just because it was taken, doesn't mean the line of succession changes. I think, in the end, Jon will be sitting on the throne, with his step sister/actual cousin as his wife. And Bran(I think that is his name) should be king or steward of Winterfel.

They have Daenerys too powerful right now, for me to think she will be queen.


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I was pretty skeptical that they would be able to wrap up this season and leave just the right tone but I think they knocked it out of the park.
Looking forward to watching it again this week. From what I have heard they are going to do a season with like 7 episodes and then a
final season with 6 or something like that. A lot to wrap up but holy shit does this make me excited to see what happens in Westeros.

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What an amazing episode. This season did an amazing job of tying up all these storylines that seemed separate and finally giving them a common theme.

Unless they mess it up, this show has a decent chance of going down as the best of all time. The amount of quality characters and different stories that are finally all converging it unlike anything I ever remember. Not bad for a show that seemed like a tv version of Lord Of The Rings when I first saw the trailers.

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I feel like I missed something. What about Dannys guard who got the disease that turned him into stone? What about The Hound?!?


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Cashman wrote:
I feel like I missed something. What about Dannys guard who got the disease that turned him into stone? What about The Hound?!?


Jorah is off...somewhere.

The Hound is with the Brotherhood.

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I think the line of succession is all fucked up now.

Taking out the Targs because they were defeated:
Shouldnt there be a Baratheon taking the throne? Roberts "children" are dead so it should pass to his brothers. They are all dead so I would assume it would go to Baratheon cousin or something. Or is this move just Cersei taking the throne by force much like Robert did?

Now, to bring the Targs back in:
Dany is Aerys trueborn daughter, considering she has the backing of Dorne who support female rulers, I think that Dany would be the actual Queen. Jon is Rhaegar's son so I would assume he falls in after Dany. But considering Rhaegar was already married, any children he had outside of that marriage would still be considered bastards barring a royal decree to make them legitimate.

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Hank Scorpio wrote:
I think the line of succession is all fucked up now.

Taking out the Targs because they were defeated:
Shouldnt there be a Baratheon taking the throne? Roberts "children" are dead so it should pass to his brothers. They are all dead so I would assume it would go to Baratheon cousin or something. Or is this move just Cersei taking the throne by force much like Robert did?

Now, to bring the Targs back in:
Dany is Aerys trueborn daughter, considering she has the backing of Dorne who support female rulers, I think that Dany would be the actual Queen. Jon is Rhaegar's son so I would assume he falls in after Dany. But considering Rhaegar was already married, any children he had outside of that marriage would still be considered bastards barring a royal decree to make them legitimate.




Under the 2nd:


King-Male Heir(Rhaegar)-his son(Jon Snow)

IF Snow is dead, and Rhaegar did not have any more kids, it would go to the next brother or if no brother is present, to the next sibling.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 11:06 am 
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Cashman wrote:
Hank Scorpio wrote:
I think the line of succession is all fucked up now.

Taking out the Targs because they were defeated:
Shouldnt there be a Baratheon taking the throne? Roberts "children" are dead so it should pass to his brothers. They are all dead so I would assume it would go to Baratheon cousin or something. Or is this move just Cersei taking the throne by force much like Robert did?

Now, to bring the Targs back in:
Dany is Aerys trueborn daughter, considering she has the backing of Dorne who support female rulers, I think that Dany would be the actual Queen. Jon is Rhaegar's son so I would assume he falls in after Dany. But considering Rhaegar was already married, any children he had outside of that marriage would still be considered bastards barring a royal decree to make them legitimate.




Under the 2nd:


King-Male Heir(Rhaegar)-his son(Jon Snow)

IF Snow is dead, and Rhaegar did not have any more kids, it would go to the next brother or if no brother is present, to the next sibling.


Right, but the thorn in that plan is Dorne supports female succession in their lines. Also Jon is still a bastard because he was born outside of marriage.

Not to mention the whole third angle that the books threw in and the show rightly left out.

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Hank Scorpio wrote:
Cashman wrote:
Hank Scorpio wrote:
I think the line of succession is all fucked up now.

Taking out the Targs because they were defeated:
Shouldnt there be a Baratheon taking the throne? Roberts "children" are dead so it should pass to his brothers. They are all dead so I would assume it would go to Baratheon cousin or something. Or is this move just Cersei taking the throne by force much like Robert did?

Now, to bring the Targs back in:
Dany is Aerys trueborn daughter, considering she has the backing of Dorne who support female rulers, I think that Dany would be the actual Queen. Jon is Rhaegar's son so I would assume he falls in after Dany. But considering Rhaegar was already married, any children he had outside of that marriage would still be considered bastards barring a royal decree to make them legitimate.




Under the 2nd:


King-Male Heir(Rhaegar)-his son(Jon Snow)

IF Snow is dead, and Rhaegar did not have any more kids, it would go to the next brother or if no brother is present, to the next sibling.


Right, but the thorn in that plan is Dorne supports female succession in their lines. Also Jon is still a bastard because he was born outside of marriage.

Not to mention the whole third angle that the books threw in and the show rightly left out.


Did they really leave it out?

Lyana and Rhaegar most likely didn't name the kid Jon.

Maybe she whispered his true name to Ned.

Maybe he was named after the first great Targaryen conqueror...

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Hank Scorpio wrote:
Cashman wrote:
Hank Scorpio wrote:
I think the line of succession is all fucked up now.

Taking out the Targs because they were defeated:
Shouldnt there be a Baratheon taking the throne? Roberts "children" are dead so it should pass to his brothers. They are all dead so I would assume it would go to Baratheon cousin or something. Or is this move just Cersei taking the throne by force much like Robert did?

Now, to bring the Targs back in:
Dany is Aerys trueborn daughter, considering she has the backing of Dorne who support female rulers, I think that Dany would be the actual Queen. Jon is Rhaegar's son so I would assume he falls in after Dany. But considering Rhaegar was already married, any children he had outside of that marriage would still be considered bastards barring a royal decree to make them legitimate.




Under the 2nd:


King-Male Heir(Rhaegar)-his son(Jon Snow)

IF Snow is dead, and Rhaegar did not have any more kids, it would go to the next brother or if no brother is present, to the next sibling.


Right, but the thorn in that plan is Dorne supports female succession in their lines. Also Jon is still a bastard because he was born outside of marriage.

Not to mention the whole third angle that the books threw in and the show rightly left out.



Have we been told, Rhaegar was married?


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Yes. The Oberyn/Mountain fight was because Rhaegar's wife, Elia Martell (Dorne), was murdered during the Sack of King's Landing.


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Cashman wrote:
IMU wrote:
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No. Cersei is Queen.

But there would be those that support a Targaryen making a claim to the throne. Or two...as the case seems to be.



I understand she is queen. What I am saying is, Jon Snow is the rightful heir.

No. The throne was taken. The Targaryens are no longer the royal family.

If Dany was currently Queen...then Jon would be the rightful King.



Just because it was taken, doesn't mean the line of succession changes. I think, in the end, Jon will be sitting on the throne, with his step sister/actual cousin as his wife. And Bran(I think that is his name) should be king or steward of Winterfel.

They have Daenerys too powerful right now, for me to think she will be queen.



Using that logic then wouldn't it be true that the rightful heir is from the family that was on the throne before the Targaryans took over?

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Cashman wrote:
IMU wrote:
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IMU wrote:
No. Cersei is Queen.

But there would be those that support a Targaryen making a claim to the throne. Or two...as the case seems to be.



I understand she is queen. What I am saying is, Jon Snow is the rightful heir.

No. The throne was taken. The Targaryens are no longer the royal family.

If Dany was currently Queen...then Jon would be the rightful King.



Just because it was taken, doesn't mean the line of succession changes. I think, in the end, Jon will be sitting on the throne, with his step sister/actual cousin as his wife. And Bran(I think that is his name) should be king or steward of Winterfel.

They have Daenerys too powerful right now, for me to think she will be queen.



Using that logic then wouldn't it be true that the rightful heir is from the family that was on the throne before the Targaryans took over?



Unless they are all dead?


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There was no King of Westeros before the Targaryens. They "united" the 7 kingdoms.


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Yes. The Oberyn/Mountain fight was because Rhaegar's wife, Elia Martell (Dorne), was murdered during the Sack of King's Landing.


Along with their natural born children.

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If Jon was legitimate he'd come before Dany based on primogeniture. He's the son of the firstborn son of the monarch.

That Sept of Baelor scene was great. The music and the build up of tension. Nice way to streamline the plot by removing so many characters at once. :lol: How about the septa's punishment? Zombie Mountain rape all day and all night. :puker:

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That Sept of Baelor scene was great. The music and the build up of tension. Nice way to streamline the plot by removing so many characters at once. :lol: How about the septa's punishment? Zombie Mountain rape all day and all night. :puker:


Are we sure its zombie rape? I've been debating back and forth. That was my initial thought but who knows if all the equipment is working. I mean Qyburn really only brought him back to be an unstoppable killing machine. I dont think he was built to fuck... Maybe I'm wrong.

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Not to mention the whole third angle that the books threw in and the show rightly left out.


the inbreeding right? jon wouldn't be seen as a fullblood.

i think TP's right about the name.

it was an incredible season finale. the sept crumbling is still stuck in my head, along with the eerie quiet of tommen's death. the whole thing was unsettling as it was satisfying. still strange to think of all the characters who are now gone because of that wildfire.


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This show seems to be devolving into thinly disguised feminist agitprop. I hope it doesn't continue down this road next season.

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This show seems to be devolving into thinly disguised feminist agitprop. I hope it doesn't continue down this road next season.



Do I need to contact Julie Dicaro?


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This show seems to be devolving into thinly disguised feminist agitprop. I hope it doesn't continue down this road next season.


Yeah, it's pretty fucking lame. Will probably get worse next season.


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may have just been a throwaway, but perhaps when Sam got to the library and we see they apparently keep track of...everything (who is appointed what etc) its possible sam might stumble upon some information about line of succession that had been overlooked. that, or inevitably discovers some awesome way to kill the White en masse.

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First thought when seeing the Sept blow up...how long before someone does an Overwatch "play of the game" meme for it...

...this is one of dozens.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSP8TmZyBzQ


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Tall Midget wrote:
This show seems to be devolving into thinly disguised feminist agitprop. I hope it doesn't continue down this road next season.


if anything they'd probably like to get feminists off their back after all the BS they took over the "omg sansa rape" (which didn't even happen on camera) and shireen being burned at the stake.


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I don't care about all of this. Think the midget planks the blonde next season?

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Tall Midget wrote:
This show seems to be devolving into thinly disguised feminist agitprop. I hope it doesn't continue down this road next season.


if anything they'd probably like to get feminists off their back after all the BS they took over the "omg sansa rape" (which didn't even happen on camera) and shireen being burned at the stake.


...which may be the reason why the show is seemingly devolving into dimwitted feminist agitprop.

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I don't care about all of this. Think the midget planks the blonde next season?


He's got a shot if she drinks enough.

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