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So no mention of a guy who played a couple years of college ball and then 11 seasons in an anything-went-back-then NFL as a running back possibly suffering from CTE and how that might possibly explain his demented behavior later in life? was this on ESPN-NFL channel?


Not a word. Making it all about race is what gets you nominated for awards though.

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So no mention of a guy who played a couple years of college ball and then 11 seasons in an anything-went-back-then NFL as a running back possibly suffering from CTE and how that might possibly explain his demented behavior later in life? was this on ESPN-NFL channel?


Not a word. Making it all about race is what gets you nominated for awards though.


The trial and case was absolutely about race.

From the attorneys on both sides to the media to the jurors themselves, it became a referendum on race in America.

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It was the most racially charged event that I can remember in my lifetime.

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It was the most racially charged event that I can remember in my lifetime.


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So no mention of a guy who played a couple years of college ball and then 11 seasons in an anything-went-back-then NFL as a running back possibly suffering from CTE and how that might possibly explain his demented behavior later in life? was this on ESPN-NFL channel?


Not a word. Making it all about race is what gets you nominated for awards though.


The trial and case was absolutely about race.

From the attorneys on both sides to the media to the jurors themselves, it became a referendum on race in America.


Not sure what we learned about race from this case. Maybe it symbolized something greater. Was there a trend of black juries not convicting black defendants prior or before that? That would be an interesting study. There seems to be a lot of black people in prison though if this were the case.

O.J. seems more like a rich guy who was willing to use anything to stay out of jail. His well paid attorneys decided on race, and it paid off. Robert Durst's well paid attorneys used a different strategy.

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Rodney King's arrest/beating and the subsequent acquittal of the LAPD officers involved in his beating simultaneously dwarfed and influenced OJ's trial.


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Darden and Clark were over-matched. Any run of the mill competent prosecuting attorney from BFE would've scored a conviction vs OJ.


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Rodney King's arrest/beating and the subsequent acquittal of the LAPD officers involved in his beating simultaneously dwarfed and influenced OJ's trial.


It influenced it but I wouldn't say it dwarfed the trial. The OJ thing was the main story in America for the better part of a year. Everybody was watching it every day. Everybody had an opinion on it and it highlighted a deep racial divide in the country that I don't think was as evident prior to this case in terms of how widespread these feeling were around the country.

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Yeah, it was a year long CNN/CourtTV soap opera--similar to how a lot of people got hooked on watching cable news coverage of the first Gulf War. But I don't think anyone was gonna riot if the jury convicted OJ.


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Yeah, it was a year long CNN/CourtTV soap opera--similar to how a lot of people got hooked on watching cable news coverage of the first Gulf War. But I don't think anyone was gonna riot if the jury convicted OJ.


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Yeah, it was a year long CNN/CourtTV soap opera--similar to how a lot of people got hooked on watching cable news coverage of the first Gulf War. But I don't think anyone was gonna riot if the jury convicted OJ.


Yeah, probably not. Black Americans have good reason not to trust the authorities, but I think most black people knew he did it. They just didn't care. How many white guys killed black people without going to prison in this country?

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Yeah, it was a year long CNN/CourtTV soap opera--similar to how a lot of people got hooked on watching cable news coverage of the first Gulf War. But I don't think anyone was gonna riot if the jury convicted OJ.



The elation of the crowd after the verdict would have been proportionally opposite had he been convicted. It would have been historic...

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Does everyone agree he did it beyond a shadow of a doubt? I mean for real, not joking.

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Saw the entire thing. Still believe that the attempts to tie this pretty unique case to larger societal issues is a stretch.

Then you are blind or stupid, or perhaps both.

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I am also not sure how anyone could actually think there would not have been riots if OJ was found guilty.

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Then you are blind or stupid, or perhaps both.


What new conclusions about race in America did you learn from the O.J. case?

You didn't know that the black population hated and mistrusted the police from the Rodney King trial? What changed because of O.J.?

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I am also not sure how anyone could actually think there would not have been riots if OJ was found guilty.


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this sounds like another Making A Murderer/Steven Avery seechooashun: everyone taking the slanted reality of a docudrama as actual historical fact.


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Then you are blind or stupid, or perhaps both.


What new conclusions about race in America did you learn from the O.J. case?

You didn't know that the black population hated and mistrusted the police from the Rodney King trial? What changed because of O.J.?

You don't have to draw new conclusions about race for the entire thing to be connected to the societal issues of the day and place.

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No doubt he did it. But he was not found guilty by the jury. If he had been there would have been riots.

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Yeah, it was a year long CNN/CourtTV soap opera--similar to how a lot of people got hooked on watching cable news coverage of the first Gulf War. But I don't think anyone was gonna riot if the jury convicted OJ.


Yeah, probably not. Black Americans have good reason not to trust the authorities, but I think most black people knew he did it. They just didn't care. How many white guys killed black people without going to prison in this country?


I remember being in a McDonald's when the verdict was announced and laughing with my dad at the reactions of the slightly mixed crowd. Most believed he did it, I had no doubt myself. But having just seen the Rodney King/Simi Valley fiasco, I must admit that even personally, it was a nice, if twisted FU from "us" to most of the people that had raped the community and fucked all the public supports/schools/safety nets for years. (And then became pious Reagan voters)

I don't think there was going to be much rioting/unrest if OJ had been convicted, no one in the community had really considered OJ relevant or even Black for years.

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I am also not sure how anyone could actually think there would not have been riots if OJ was found guilty.


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No doubt he did it. But he was not found guilty by the jury. If he had been there would have been riots.



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Hussra wrote:
Yeah, it was a year long CNN/CourtTV soap opera--similar to how a lot of people got hooked on watching cable news coverage of the first Gulf War. But I don't think anyone was gonna riot if the jury convicted OJ.


Yeah, probably not. Black Americans have good reason not to trust the authorities, but I think most black people knew he did it. They just didn't care. How many white guys killed black people without going to prison in this country?


I remember being in a McDonald's when the verdict was announced and laughing with my dad at the reactions of the slightly mixed crowd. Most believed he did it, I had no doubt myself. But having just seen the Rodney King/Simi Valley fiasco, I must admit that even personally, it was a nice, if twisted FU from "us" to most of the people that had raped the community and fucked all the public supports/schools/safety nets for years. (And then became pious Reagan voters)

I don't think there was going to be much rioting/unrest if OJ had been convicted, no one in the community had really considered OJ relevant or even Black for years.


See?

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I don't think there was going to be much rioting/unrest if OJ had been convicted, no one in the community had really considered OJ relevant or even Black for years.


That's the funniest line in the O.J. mini-series. When Darden is barbecuing in his backyard and chiding his neighbor for rooting on O.J. during the Bronco chase, saying he was no Jim Brown and he's not even black and the guy turns to him and says, "He's being chased by the police. He's black now!" :lol: :lol:

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What new conclusions about race in America did you learn from the O.J. case?

You didn't know that the black population hated and mistrusted the police from the Rodney King trial? What changed because of O.J.?
Rodney King did very little wrong and certainly did not deserve what happened to him. The emotional feelings about that is understandable to all people.

The OJ trial was different because he was almost certainly a guilty man but the same types of support was given to him over the justice system. That showed a much larger sense of anger than the Rodney King verdict did.

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He didn't do it.


My mom loved O.J. and she became obsessed with the whole thing. For a long time she insisted he was innocent, but eventually she knew that he so obviously did it. So then she just changed her stance to "I don't care about Ron and Nicole. I like O.J." :lol:

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