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Unbelievable.

I was going to put this in "Douchebag of the Week" but I have a hard time DB'ing someone who was raped.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... acism.html

A young left-wing German politician has admitted she lied to police about the racial background of three men who raped her in case it triggered reprisals against refugees in her country.

Selin Gören, the national spokeswoman of the left-wing youth movement Solid, was attacked by three men in January in the city of Mannheim where she works as a refugee activist.

The 24-year-old was ambushed late at night in a playground where she said she was forced to perform a sex act on her attackers.

After the assault she went straight to the police - but she did not tell them the ethnic make-up of the men, that they were speaking Arabic or Farsi.

Selin, aware of the backlash that migrants suffered after the events in Cologne on New Year's Eve - when hundreds of women were sexually assaulted and robbed by marauding gangs of immigrant youths - instead said she was robbed and said her attackers spoke German.

Now she has told Germany's Spiegel magazine why she lied. After her initial interview at the end of January she returned to the police 12 hours later to tell them the real story.

She said a friend talked her into going back to the police with the real story because another woman had been raped in the area - an accusation later retracted by the alleged victim.

Selin, who has visited refugee camps in Iraq where she was shocked at the squalor people are living in, did not want to stoke 'more hatred against migrants ín Germany.'

To help her cope she wrote an open letter to a fictional refugee and posted it on Facebook. It read in part: 'I am really sorry that your sexist and line-crossing treatment of me could help fuel aggressive racism.

'I'm going to scream... I will not stand by and watch, and it can happen that racists and concerned citizens name you as the problem. You're not the problem. You're usually a wonderful human being who deserves as much as any other to be safe and free.

'I will not stand by and watch and let it happen that racists and concerned citizens name you as the problem.'

She now says people must never 'twist the truth' even if it is politically expedient to do so.

A group called Gesa in Kassel - Active Together Against Sexual Violence - says that sexual assaults by many male migrants have increased.

'The perpetrators often come from cultures with a different image of women', said Steffi Burmester of GESA.

'They are alone and looking to banish their humiliation of flight with confirmation of their masculinity. This is neither to apologise nor to accept their actions, it is how it is.'


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If this is what is there, right now, the Germans deserve to be wiped out.

I guess Merkel and the globalists feel it's time for a German genocide?


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I guess that is dedication to your cause.

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'The perpetrators often come from cultures with a different image of women', said Steffi Burmester of GESA.

'They are alone and looking to banish their humiliation of flight with confirmation of their masculinity. This is neither to apologise nor to accept their actions, it is how it is.'


It actually sounds quite like an apology. Why do Western liberals hate themselves so much?

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
'The perpetrators often come from cultures with a different image of women', said Steffi Burmester of GESA.

'They are alone and looking to banish their humiliation of flight with confirmation of their masculinity. This is neither to apologise nor to accept their actions, it is how it is.'


It actually sounds quite like an apology. Why do Western liberals hate themselves so much?


Yeah, just a teeny bit different.


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Would be a well deserved DBOTW nomination.

Just tell the truth. Even if it is only a small percentage it is still a side effect being brought in and needs to be discussed in an honest and open manner.

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Would be a well deserved DBOTW nomination.

Just tell the truth. Even if it is only a small percentage it is still a side effect being brought in and needs to be discussed in an honest and open manner.


People seemed frightened to honestly discuss Islam and the way it is threatening what we call civilization. This is why, even though I consider myself a liberal and my politics might be called radical by some, I can't call myself a liberal. I don't hate myself and think I deserve to be killed by a suicide bomber.

They want to constantly spin these false narratives absolving the ideologies espoused in the Koran. That ISIS is a product of U.S. foreign policy rather than a hard held belief in an ancient book. The problem is that Western liberals are looking at things through their own eyes. They may claim to believe in God or have a cursory belief in a religion in which they were raised, but they don't understand what it means to be really committed. I know Americans who claim to believe in God but if God came down and asked them to kill their only son, they would tell him to fuck off. That isn't real belief. It's easy for the liberal to believe, "Yeah, I'd hate the U.S. if they killed my cousin in a drone strike too." That's your viewpoint, not the jihadi's, although I'm sure the cousin dying adds fuel to the fire. You find it irrational to blow yourself up because God says you should. They actually believe in God and so, it's a completely rational action to them.

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The reasons that leftists give for hating the West, etc. clearly do not correspond with their real motives. They SAY they hate the West because it is warlike, imperialistic, sexist, ethnocentric and so forth, but where these same faults appear in socialist countries or in primitive cultures, the leftist finds excuses for them, or at best he GRUDGINGLY admits that they exist; whereas he ENTHUSIASTICALLY points out (and often greatly exaggerates) these faults where they appear in Western civilization.


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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Would be a well deserved DBOTW nomination.

Just tell the truth. Even if it is only a small percentage it is still a side effect being brought in and needs to be discussed in an honest and open manner.


People seemed frightened to honestly discuss Islam and the way it is threatening what we call civilization. This is why, even though I consider myself a liberal and my politics might be called radical by some, I can't call myself a liberal. I don't hate myself and think I deserve to be killed by a suicide bomber.

They want to constantly spin these false narratives absolving the ideologies espoused in the Koran. That ISIS is a product of U.S. foreign policy rather than a hard held belief in an ancient book. The problem is that Western liberals are looking at things through their own eyes. They may claim to believe in God or have a cursory belief in a religion in which they were raised, but they don't understand what it means to be really committed. I know Americans who claim to believe in God but if God came down and asked them to kill their only son, they would tell him to fuck off. That isn't real belief. It's easy for the liberal to believe, "Yeah, I'd hate the U.S. if they killed my cousin in a drone strike too." That's your viewpoint, not the jihadi's, although I'm sure the cousin dying adds fuel to the fire. You find it irrational to blow yourself up because God says you should. They actually believe in God and so, it's a completely rational action to them.


Yikes! People just want to have a rational conversation. It's pretty much impossible whenever someone starts a conversation by saying all Muslims are ______ or they're destroying our civilization.

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Nas wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Would be a well deserved DBOTW nomination.

Just tell the truth. Even if it is only a small percentage it is still a side effect being brought in and needs to be discussed in an honest and open manner.


People seemed frightened to honestly discuss Islam and the way it is threatening what we call civilization. This is why, even though I consider myself a liberal and my politics might be called radical by some, I can't call myself a liberal. I don't hate myself and think I deserve to be killed by a suicide bomber.

They want to constantly spin these false narratives absolving the ideologies espoused in the Koran. That ISIS is a product of U.S. foreign policy rather than a hard held belief in an ancient book. The problem is that Western liberals are looking at things through their own eyes. They may claim to believe in God or have a cursory belief in a religion in which they were raised, but they don't understand what it means to be really committed. I know Americans who claim to believe in God but if God came down and asked them to kill their only son, they would tell him to fuck off. That isn't real belief. It's easy for the liberal to believe, "Yeah, I'd hate the U.S. if they killed my cousin in a drone strike too." That's your viewpoint, not the jihadi's, although I'm sure the cousin dying adds fuel to the fire. You find it irrational to blow yourself up because God says you should. They actually believe in God and so, it's a completely rational action to them.


Yikes! People just want to have a rational conversation. It's pretty much impossible whenever someone starts a conversation by saying all Muslims are ______ or they're destroying our civilization.


It is uncivilized though, whether you want to acknowledge such or not. The ultimate conclusion is Sharia law and I have to think you wouldn't like living under it.

And this "most Muslims are good people" is meaningless. Most Germans were good people in WWII. Here's a woman explaining it the way it is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAoXgZLRee0

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I agree. We need to administer religious tests to Muslims.

To stay they have to eat an Ultimate Porker sandwich.

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Nas wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Would be a well deserved DBOTW nomination.

Just tell the truth. Even if it is only a small percentage it is still a side effect being brought in and needs to be discussed in an honest and open manner.


People seemed frightened to honestly discuss Islam and the way it is threatening what we call civilization. This is why, even though I consider myself a liberal and my politics might be called radical by some, I can't call myself a liberal. I don't hate myself and think I deserve to be killed by a suicide bomber.

They want to constantly spin these false narratives absolving the ideologies espoused in the Koran. That ISIS is a product of U.S. foreign policy rather than a hard held belief in an ancient book. The problem is that Western liberals are looking at things through their own eyes. They may claim to believe in God or have a cursory belief in a religion in which they were raised, but they don't understand what it means to be really committed. I know Americans who claim to believe in God but if God came down and asked them to kill their only son, they would tell him to fuck off. That isn't real belief. It's easy for the liberal to believe, "Yeah, I'd hate the U.S. if they killed my cousin in a drone strike too." That's your viewpoint, not the jihadi's, although I'm sure the cousin dying adds fuel to the fire. You find it irrational to blow yourself up because God says you should. They actually believe in God and so, it's a completely rational action to them.


Yikes! People just want to have a rational conversation. It's pretty much impossible whenever someone starts a conversation by saying all Muslims are ______ or they're destroying our civilization.


Chus will be using JoeOrr quotes in his signature when the third generation takes control of the board and we will all "tsk, tsk" about him.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Nas wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Would be a well deserved DBOTW nomination.

Just tell the truth. Even if it is only a small percentage it is still a side effect being brought in and needs to be discussed in an honest and open manner.


People seemed frightened to honestly discuss Islam and the way it is threatening what we call civilization. This is why, even though I consider myself a liberal and my politics might be called radical by some, I can't call myself a liberal. I don't hate myself and think I deserve to be killed by a suicide bomber.

They want to constantly spin these false narratives absolving the ideologies espoused in the Koran. That ISIS is a product of U.S. foreign policy rather than a hard held belief in an ancient book. The problem is that Western liberals are looking at things through their own eyes. They may claim to believe in God or have a cursory belief in a religion in which they were raised, but they don't understand what it means to be really committed. I know Americans who claim to believe in God but if God came down and asked them to kill their only son, they would tell him to fuck off. That isn't real belief. It's easy for the liberal to believe, "Yeah, I'd hate the U.S. if they killed my cousin in a drone strike too." That's your viewpoint, not the jihadi's, although I'm sure the cousin dying adds fuel to the fire. You find it irrational to blow yourself up because God says you should. They actually believe in God and so, it's a completely rational action to them.


Yikes! People just want to have a rational conversation. It's pretty much impossible whenever someone starts a conversation by saying all Muslims are ______ or they're destroying our civilization.


It is uncivilized though, whether you want to acknowledge such or not. The ultimate conclusion is Sharia law and I have to think you wouldn't like living under it.

And this "most Muslims are good people" is meaningless. Most Germans were good people in WWII. Here's a woman explaining it the way it is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAoXgZLRee0


I think you do describe the majority of US religious accurately but you have unwittingly included the majority of US Muslims as well. They would not kill their son if ordered by God and they recognize the benefit of a constitution that separates church from state.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Nas wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Would be a well deserved DBOTW nomination.

Just tell the truth. Even if it is only a small percentage it is still a side effect being brought in and needs to be discussed in an honest and open manner.


People seemed frightened to honestly discuss Islam and the way it is threatening what we call civilization. This is why, even though I consider myself a liberal and my politics might be called radical by some, I can't call myself a liberal. I don't hate myself and think I deserve to be killed by a suicide bomber.

They want to constantly spin these false narratives absolving the ideologies espoused in the Koran. That ISIS is a product of U.S. foreign policy rather than a hard held belief in an ancient book. The problem is that Western liberals are looking at things through their own eyes. They may claim to believe in God or have a cursory belief in a religion in which they were raised, but they don't understand what it means to be really committed. I know Americans who claim to believe in God but if God came down and asked them to kill their only son, they would tell him to fuck off. That isn't real belief. It's easy for the liberal to believe, "Yeah, I'd hate the U.S. if they killed my cousin in a drone strike too." That's your viewpoint, not the jihadi's, although I'm sure the cousin dying adds fuel to the fire. You find it irrational to blow yourself up because God says you should. They actually believe in God and so, it's a completely rational action to them.


Yikes! People just want to have a rational conversation. It's pretty much impossible whenever someone starts a conversation by saying all Muslims are ______ or they're destroying our civilization.


It is uncivilized though, whether you want to acknowledge such or not. The ultimate conclusion is Sharia law and I have to think you wouldn't like living under it.

And this "most Muslims are good people" is meaningless. Most Germans were good people in WWII. Here's a woman explaining it the way it is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAoXgZLRee0


I think you do describe the majority of US religious accurately but you have unwittingly included the majority of US Muslims as well. They would not kill their son if ordered by God and they recognize the benefit of a constitution that separates church from state.


I don't hate anyone, but I sure don't hate myself. And I don't hate my way of life either. What you say may or may not be true, but it raises a question of what a "Muslim" is. If you're really Muslim there is no separation of church and state.

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Nas wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Would be a well deserved DBOTW nomination.

Just tell the truth. Even if it is only a small percentage it is still a side effect being brought in and needs to be discussed in an honest and open manner.


People seemed frightened to honestly discuss Islam and the way it is threatening what we call civilization. This is why, even though I consider myself a liberal and my politics might be called radical by some, I can't call myself a liberal. I don't hate myself and think I deserve to be killed by a suicide bomber.

They want to constantly spin these false narratives absolving the ideologies espoused in the Koran. That ISIS is a product of U.S. foreign policy rather than a hard held belief in an ancient book. The problem is that Western liberals are looking at things through their own eyes. They may claim to believe in God or have a cursory belief in a religion in which they were raised, but they don't understand what it means to be really committed. I know Americans who claim to believe in God but if God came down and asked them to kill their only son, they would tell him to fuck off. That isn't real belief. It's easy for the liberal to believe, "Yeah, I'd hate the U.S. if they killed my cousin in a drone strike too." That's your viewpoint, not the jihadi's, although I'm sure the cousin dying adds fuel to the fire. You find it irrational to blow yourself up because God says you should. They actually believe in God and so, it's a completely rational action to them.


Yikes! People just want to have a rational conversation. It's pretty much impossible whenever someone starts a conversation by saying all Muslims are ______ or they're destroying our civilization.


How can one have a rational conversation when you have people like Selin Goren hiding evidence of crimes committed to protect Muslim immigrants? Or when the the peoples own national/local governments hide and suppress rapes/assaults/etc to hide the truth and make it seem like everything is OK? You think Rotherham was an isolated incident? Cologne? The peoples own governments are trying to wipe out their own people.

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