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I don't think waging war against whitey has ever turned out well for minority groups. Nothing's impossible though.

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Demilitarize the police? Current training and recruitment regimens attract and develop police officers who regard civilians as basically enemy combatants.

Reparations, broadly defined, would be/are a necessary starting point to solving the broader issue of race relations in the US and A.


That's a problem that needs to be addressed but hungry bob is still hungry.


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Another shooting in Tennessee with the same motivation. http://www.cbsnews.com/news/cops-tennes ... as-ambush/

Again, don't think that the perception that the police are killing only black people is good for anyone.

It would be incredibly naive to think these police shootings are ONLY a response to police killing people. There are MANY reasons that this is happening. BLM is not a problem.

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does Adam Campbell have an implementable long term solution that will prove to be successful?


Demilitarize the police? Current training and recruitment regimens attract and develop police officers who regard civilians as basically enemy combatants.

Reparations, broadly defined, would be/are a necessary starting point to solving the broader issue of race relations in the US and A.


Reparations? Paid by whom? From tax payers including black people? Wasn't the Civil War blood reparations? What do you think affirmative action is?

I can't think of a worse way to divide the country than with reparations.

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In not sure, but a good first step in any solution would be all of us recognizing the same problem.


I think many people recognize the problem. The degree to which some can or want to help is another story. For arguments sake let's say everybody recognizes the problem as they did at the table. What is your solution? Hungry bob is still hungry.


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Another shooting in Tennessee with the same motivation. http://www.cbsnews.com/news/cops-tennes ... as-ambush/

Again, don't think that the perception that the police are killing only black people is good for anyone.

It would be incredibly naive to think these police shootings are ONLY a response to police killing people. There are MANY reasons that this is happening. BLM is not a problem.


It's the stated motivation for these shooters, and it's mostly because of the media coverage. There is a perception that the police are only shooting black people, and that the problem is worst than ever. I would bet that the safest time for police interactions is right now.

The BLM people certainly do not help with this perception.

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Another shooting in Tennessee with the same motivation. http://www.cbsnews.com/news/cops-tennes ... as-ambush/

Again, don't think that the perception that the police are killing only black people is good for anyone.

It would be incredibly naive to think these police shootings are ONLY a response to police killing people. There are MANY reasons that this is happening. BLM is not a problem.


Just imagine the danger these cops would be in if they had become truck drivers!!

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reparations would be great. divide the value of 40 acres and a mule for each slave and then divvy it out to all the descendants. then we're all even and don't have to worry about it anymore. no more white guilt. problem solved. Yay!

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The Blue Lives Matter thing is pretty antagonistic and unnecessary. It's pretty clear that our country already know their lives matter. If caught, anyone shooting at or killing a cop will have the full brunt of the law thrown at them, and EVERYONE is expected to be outraged by the Dallas police shootings. I don't see anywhere near the same expectation of outrage for the black victims of police, and in almost every case those cops get off the hook for murder.


Any person killed in and because of his capacity as a public servant should receive public outrage and have the benefit of the "full brunt of the law" shown to the perpetrator. He is owed that for his service. I would think you would understand that as a military man.

A person who kills in his capacity as a public servant deserves increased scrutiny of the matter for nearly the same reason.

I don't see a lack of outrage in this country for either.

I think any person deserves the full brunt of the law that murders another person. I don't think police or soldiers deserve any special treatment. Ideally, every person regardless of job, economic status, race, etc would be treated equally under the law. Obviously, that is probably an impossible ideal.

I definitely see a lack of outrage for victims of police brutality in this country. BLM is sadly seen as a hate group by too many people.

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good dolphin wrote:
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The Blue Lives Matter thing is pretty antagonistic and unnecessary. It's pretty clear that our country already know their lives matter. If caught, anyone shooting at or killing a cop will have the full brunt of the law thrown at them, and EVERYONE is expected to be outraged by the Dallas police shootings. I don't see anywhere near the same expectation of outrage for the black victims of police, and in almost every case those cops get off the hook for murder.


Any person killed in and because of his capacity as a public servant should receive public outrage and have the benefit of the "full brunt of the law" shown to the perpetrator. He is owed that for his service. I would think you would understand that as a military man.

A person who kills in his capacity as a public servant deserves increased scrutiny of the matter for nearly the same reason.

I don't see a lack of outrage in this country for either.


I do. There is near universal outrage when a cop loses his life or gets hurt. That's never the case with minorities in this country.

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In not sure, but a good first step in any solution would be all of us recognizing the same problem.


I think MANY people recognize the problem. The degree to which some can or want to help is another story. For arguments sake let's say everybody recognizes the problem as they did at the table. What is your solution? Hungry bob is still hungry.

If EVERYBODY recognized the same problem, then it stands to reason that said problem would no longer exist. Bob would no longer be hungry.

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Spaulding wrote:
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In not sure, but a good first step in any solution would be all of us recognizing the same problem.


I think MANY people recognize the problem. The degree to which some can or want to help is another story. For arguments sake let's say everybody recognizes the problem as they did at the table. What is your solution? Hungry bob is still hungry.


Treat him like everyone else at the table and give him a plate.

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The Blue Lives Matter thing is pretty antagonistic and unnecessary. It's pretty clear that our country already know their lives matter. If caught, anyone shooting at or killing a cop will have the full brunt of the law thrown at them, and EVERYONE is expected to be outraged by the Dallas police shootings. I don't see anywhere near the same expectation of outrage for the black victims of police, and in almost every case those cops get off the hook for murder.


Any person killed in and because of his capacity as a public servant should receive public outrage and have the benefit of the "full brunt of the law" shown to the perpetrator. He is owed that for his service. I would think you would understand that as a military man.

A person who kills in his capacity as a public servant deserves increased scrutiny of the matter for nearly the same reason.

I don't see a lack of outrage in this country for either.

I think any person deserves the full brunt of the law that murders another person. I don't think police or soldiers deserve any special treatment. Ideally, every person regardless of job, economic status, race, etc would be treated equally under the law. Obviously, that is probably an impossible ideal. .


You haven't thought this one through. A person who is killed or kills in his position of public service is representing something greater than himself as an individual. There are many laws that place both a greater burden and greater security for public servants in recognition of this.

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Hungry Bob is a dumb analogy. I'm not even sure what the parallel is.

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Nas wrote:
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The Blue Lives Matter thing is pretty antagonistic and unnecessary. It's pretty clear that our country already know their lives matter. If caught, anyone shooting at or killing a cop will have the full brunt of the law thrown at them, and EVERYONE is expected to be outraged by the Dallas police shootings. I don't see anywhere near the same expectation of outrage for the black victims of police, and in almost every case those cops get off the hook for murder.


Any person killed in and because of his capacity as a public servant should receive public outrage and have the benefit of the "full brunt of the law" shown to the perpetrator. He is owed that for his service. I would think you would understand that as a military man.

A person who kills in his capacity as a public servant deserves increased scrutiny of the matter for nearly the same reason.

I don't see a lack of outrage in this country for either.


I do. There is near universal outrage when a cop loses his life or gets hurt. That's never the case with minorities in this country.


What if the cop is a minority?

There has been outrage for these police videos in all but the most right wing corners of the nation. The militarization of the police is a problem, clearly, but there cannot be a perception that you mine as well go down shooting because the cops are going to kill you if you are black.

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If EVERYBODY recognized the same problem, then it stands to reason that said problem would no longer exist. Bob would no longer be hungry.


Some people aren't going to give a shit about bob, some people resent bob, and we know nothing about bob. It seems to me you don't have a solution and that is fine.


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Last October I'm returning from Great America with my godson. I drop him off in the Woodlawn area. As soon as he jumps out of the car the police pull up behind me. The use some trumped up bullshit as a means of running my i.d. They are trying to check for warrants. It's an obvious harassment situation. I don't piss a bitch because i know that it will only escalate the situation. My stuff comes back clean and I drive off. This is an obvious "driving while black" scenario. As a black person you live with it for so long that it becomes old hat.

I'm not a person that has a problem with police. To me they are but a microcosm of the larger society. It's not really about black victim hood either. What it is happens to be quite simply is reality in America.

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Another shooting in Tennessee with the same motivation. http://www.cbsnews.com/news/cops-tennes ... as-ambush/

Again, don't think that the perception that the police are killing only black people is good for anyone.

It would be incredibly naive to think these police shootings are ONLY a response to police killing people. There are MANY reasons that this is happening. BLM is not a problem.


It's the stated motivation for these shooters, and it's mostly because of the media coverage. There is a perception that the police are only shooting black people, and that the problem is worst than ever. I would bet that the safest time for police interactions is right now.

The BLM people certainly do not help with this perception.


I think it is media driven but that's only because we are seeing video evidence of something that everyone didn't know existed. Even then people are make excuses. We all saw Rodney King get abused 25 years ago and some still blamed Rodney King. I saw Walter Scott get gunned downed from behind and still saw people say that he shouldn't have ran away.

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WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
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The Blue Lives Matter thing is pretty antagonistic and unnecessary. It's pretty clear that our country already know their lives matter. If caught, anyone shooting at or killing a cop will have the full brunt of the law thrown at them, and EVERYONE is expected to be outraged by the Dallas police shootings. I don't see anywhere near the same expectation of outrage for the black victims of police, and in almost every case those cops get off the hook for murder.


Any person killed in and because of his capacity as a public servant should receive public outrage and have the benefit of the "full brunt of the law" shown to the perpetrator. He is owed that for his service. I would think you would understand that as a military man.

A person who kills in his capacity as a public servant deserves increased scrutiny of the matter for nearly the same reason.

I don't see a lack of outrage in this country for either.


I do. There is near universal outrage when a cop loses his life or gets hurt. That's never the case with minorities in this country.


What if the cop is a minority?

There has been outrage for these police videos in all but the most right wing corners of the nation. The militarization of the police is a problem, clearly, but there cannot be a perception that you mine as well go down shooting because the cops are going to kill you if you are black.


The race of the cop doesn't matter. The race of the victim does.

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If EVERYBODY recognized the same problem, then it stands to reason that said problem would no longer exist. Bob would no longer be hungry.


Some people aren't going to give a shit about bob, some people resent bob, and we know nothing about bob. It seems to me you don't have a solution and that is fine.


You know Bob isn't real, right?

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good dolphin wrote:
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good dolphin wrote:
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The Blue Lives Matter thing is pretty antagonistic and unnecessary. It's pretty clear that our country already know their lives matter. If caught, anyone shooting at or killing a cop will have the full brunt of the law thrown at them, and EVERYONE is expected to be outraged by the Dallas police shootings. I don't see anywhere near the same expectation of outrage for the black victims of police, and in almost every case those cops get off the hook for murder.


Any person killed in and because of his capacity as a public servant should receive public outrage and have the benefit of the "full brunt of the law" shown to the perpetrator. He is owed that for his service. I would think you would understand that as a military man.

A person who kills in his capacity as a public servant deserves increased scrutiny of the matter for nearly the same reason.

I don't see a lack of outrage in this country for either.

I think any person deserves the full brunt of the law that murders another person. I don't think police or soldiers deserve any special treatment. Ideally, every person regardless of job, economic status, race, etc would be treated equally under the law. Obviously, that is probably an impossible ideal. .


You haven't thought this one through. A person who is killed or kills in his position of public service is representing something greater than himself as an individual. There are MANY laws that place both a greater burden and greater security for public servants in recognition of this.

Police are literally getting away with murder in this country. That is unacceptable, and it's clear that our current laws are not sufficient in rectifying this.

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If EVERYBODY recognized the same problem, then it stands to reason that said problem would no longer exist. Bob would no longer be hungry.


Some people aren't going to give a shit about bob, some people resent bob, and we know nothing about bob. It seems to me you don't have a solution and that is fine.

I just gave you the solution. You dismissed it. As long as that keeps happening, we are going to keep having these issues come up.

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Last October I'm returning from Great America with my godson. I drop him off in the Woodlawn area. As soon as he jumps out of the car the police pull up behind me. The use some trumped up bullshit as a means of running my i.d. They are trying to check for warrants. .


I don't understand this. If I am a cop I'm eating donuts and surfing for porn on my iPhone until somebody dispatches me somewhere. I'm not pulling over random cars looking to get shot.

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If EVERYBODY recognized the same problem, then it stands to reason that said problem would no longer exist. Bob would no longer be hungry.


Some people aren't going to give a shit about bob, some people resent bob, and we know nothing about bob. It seems to me you don't have a solution and that is fine.

I just gave you the solution. You dismissed it. As long as that keeps happening, we are going to keep having these issues come up.


That's not a solution. It's words. It's sentiment.

What is the solution. HOW do you accomplsh it?

Everybody recognnizing a problem happens all the time. Yet the problem still exists. So that doesn't work.

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Last October I'm returning from Great America with my godson. I drop him off in the Woodlawn area. As soon as he jumps out of the car the police pull up behind me. The use some trumped up bullshit as a means of running my i.d. They are trying to check for warrants. .


I don't understand this. If I am a cop I'm eating donuts and surfing for porn on my iPhone until somebody dispatches me somewhere. I'm not pulling over random cars looking to get shot.


I don't know if someone had just committed a crime. Woodlawn is a high crime area. A guy that has just dropped a 12 yr old kid off shouldn't be cause for alarm. I didn't raise hell because it would have caused other problems. There are people that deal with this with much more frequency than I do and I can only imagine their level of frustration.

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Treat him like everyone else at the table and give him a plate.


What if we don't have a plate to give? How does bob's sister feel about bob getting food? What if bob's mom is still hungry after she gives him a plate? What if bob drops all his food on the floor or the dog eats it? What if you are eating broccoli and bob doesn't like broccoli?

I like bob and I feel for bob. I don't want bob to be hungry. I might even give bob a plate occasionally. I'm sad for bob. But I can't or am not willing to sacrifice everything I have for bob. I'd be willing to bet nobody else here is either.

Bob needs to have opportunities, luck, talent, and intelligence. Everybody at that table is different also.


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The Blue Lives Matter thing is pretty antagonistic and unnecessary. It's pretty clear that our country already know their lives matter. If caught, anyone shooting at or killing a cop will have the full brunt of the law thrown at them, and EVERYONE is expected to be outraged by the Dallas police shootings. I don't see anywhere near the same expectation of outrage for the black victims of police, and in almost every case those cops get off the hook for murder.


Any person killed in and because of his capacity as a public servant should receive public outrage and have the benefit of the "full brunt of the law" shown to the perpetrator. He is owed that for his service. I would think you would understand that as a military man.

A person who kills in his capacity as a public servant deserves increased scrutiny of the matter for nearly the same reason.

I don't see a lack of outrage in this country for either.


I do. There is near universal outrage when a cop loses his life or gets hurt. That's never the case with minorities in this country.


There has been no lack of outrage over minority lives being taken by the state over the past couple of years. Protests have included every race and religious affiliation so it is not a matter of one sector voicing outrage. The protest have already caused some changes to police procedure with more being promised. They have been addressed by presidents and presidential candidates. You may not be satisfied with the results but the outrage from the plural society is difficult to deny

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but like this Minneapolis situation. why the hell are you pulling somebody over for a missing tail light? what's the incentive? Do they have to meet a certain quota of stupid traffic stops? I would look for hot chicks to pull over.

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This was the example that everybody was praising. I'm in the solution business like Jerry Angelo. There's lots of complaints. What are the solutions?


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If EVERYBODY recognized the same problem, then it stands to reason that said problem would no longer exist. Bob would no longer be hungry.


Some people aren't going to give a shit about bob, some people resent bob, and we know nothing about bob. It seems to me you don't have a solution and that is fine.

I just gave you the solution. You dismissed it. As long as that keeps happening, we are going to keep having these issues come up.


That's not a solution. It's words. It's sentiment.

What is the solution. HOW do you accomplsh it?

Everybody recognnizing a problem happens all the time. Yet the problem still exists. So that doesn't work.

Are you serious?

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