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Hungry Bob is a dumb analogy. I'm not even sure what the parallel is.

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The Blue Lives Matter thing is pretty antagonistic and unnecessary. It's pretty clear that our country already know their lives matter. If caught, anyone shooting at or killing a cop will have the full brunt of the law thrown at them, and EVERYONE is expected to be outraged by the Dallas police shootings. I don't see anywhere near the same expectation of outrage for the black victims of police, and in almost every case those cops get off the hook for murder.


Any person killed in and because of his capacity as a public servant should receive public outrage and have the benefit of the "full brunt of the law" shown to the perpetrator. He is owed that for his service. I would think you would understand that as a military man.

A person who kills in his capacity as a public servant deserves increased scrutiny of the matter for nearly the same reason.

I don't see a lack of outrage in this country for either.

I think any person deserves the full brunt of the law that murders another person. I don't think police or soldiers deserve any special treatment. Ideally, every person regardless of job, economic status, race, etc would be treated equally under the law. Obviously, that is probably an impossible ideal. .


You haven't thought this one through. A person who is killed or kills in his position of public service is representing something greater than himself as an individual. There are MANY laws that place both a greater burden and greater security for public servants in recognition of this.

Police are literally getting away with murder in this country. That is unacceptable, and it's clear that our current laws are not sufficient in rectifying this.


That is something different and I addressed it. Increased protections but also increase responsibility for public servants.

The law is not the problem. The law covers the situation.

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You know Bob isn't real, right?



This was the example that everybody was praising. I'm in the solution business like Jerry Angelo. There's lots of complaints. What are the solutions?




Before there can be a solution the power structure has to first admit that there is a problem. There are false equivalencies being advanced which further obscures the scale of the problem. You also have people looking for an ISIS connection as a means of ignoring the problem. Thsee incidents force America to look at the one thing that it is always reluctant to do. It forces America to look at itself.

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Last October I'm returning from Great America with my godson. I drop him off in the Woodlawn area. As soon as he jumps out of the car the police pull up behind me. The use some trumped up bullshit as a means of running my i.d. They are trying to check for warrants. It's an obvious harassment situation. I don't piss a bitch because i know that it will only escalate the situation. My stuff comes back clean and I drive off. This is an obvious "driving while black" scenario. As a black person you live with it for so long that it becomes old hat.

I'm not a person that has a problem with police. To me they are but a microcosm of the larger society. It's not really about black victim hood either. What it is happens to be quite simply is reality in America.


I think there are certain things that some blacks consider "normal" that others consider wrong. I honestly didn't know that the police couldn't do certain things until I was an adult because I saw them happen a lot as a kid.

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Last October I'm returning from Great America with my godson. I drop him off in the Woodlawn area. As soon as he jumps out of the car the police pull up behind me. The use some trumped up bullshit as a means of running my i.d. They are trying to check for warrants. .


I don't understand this. If I am a cop I'm eating donuts and surfing for porn on my iPhone until somebody dispatches me somewhere. I'm not pulling over random cars looking to get shot.


You have quotas and the local government needs those resources.

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If EVERYBODY recognized the same problem, then it stands to reason that said problem would no longer exist. Bob would no longer be hungry.


Some people aren't going to give a shit about bob, some people resent bob, and we know nothing about bob. It seems to me you don't have a solution and that is fine.

I just gave you the solution. You dismissed it. As long as that keeps happening, we are going to keep having these issues come up.


That's not a solution. It's words. It's sentiment.

What is the solution. HOW do you accomplsh it?

Everybody recognnizing a problem happens all the time. Yet the problem still exists. So that doesn't work.

Are you serious?


Yes.

Everyone recognizes that children growing up homeless and in abject poverty is a problem.

Yet the problem is still there.

Why?

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The Blue Lives Matter thing is pretty antagonistic and unnecessary. It's pretty clear that our country already know their lives matter. If caught, anyone shooting at or killing a cop will have the full brunt of the law thrown at them, and EVERYONE is expected to be outraged by the Dallas police shootings. I don't see anywhere near the same expectation of outrage for the black victims of police, and in almost every case those cops get off the hook for murder.


Any person killed in and because of his capacity as a public servant should receive public outrage and have the benefit of the "full brunt of the law" shown to the perpetrator. He is owed that for his service. I would think you would understand that as a military man.

A person who kills in his capacity as a public servant deserves increased scrutiny of the matter for nearly the same reason.

I don't see a lack of outrage in this country for either.

I think any person deserves the full brunt of the law that murders another person. I don't think police or soldiers deserve any special treatment. Ideally, every person regardless of job, economic status, race, etc would be treated equally under the law. Obviously, that is probably an impossible ideal. .


You haven't thought this one through. A person who is killed or kills in his position of public service is representing something greater than himself as an individual. There are MANY laws that place both a greater burden and greater security for public servants in recognition of this.

Police are literally getting away with murder in this country. That is unacceptable, and it's clear that our current laws are not sufficient in rectifying this.


That is something different and I addressed it. Increased protections but also increase responsibility for public servants.

The law is not the problem. The law covers the situation.

The law does not cover the situation sufficiently. It's obviously not just a problem with enforcement of law. The fact is that in practical application of our laws, police are allowed to get away with murder. Until that changes, the law most definitely is a problem.

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Terry's Peeps wrote:
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If EVERYBODY recognized the same problem, then it stands to reason that said problem would no longer exist. Bob would no longer be hungry.


Some people aren't going to give a shit about bob, some people resent bob, and we know nothing about bob. It seems to me you don't have a solution and that is fine.

I just gave you the solution. You dismissed it. As long as that keeps happening, we are going to keep having these issues come up.


That's not a solution. It's words. It's sentiment.

What is the solution. HOW do you accomplsh it?

Everybody recognnizing a problem happens all the time. Yet the problem still exists. So that doesn't work.

Are you serious?


Yes.

Everyone recognizes that children growing up homeless and in abject poverty is a problem.

Yet the problem is still there.

Why?

The problem is still there because not everybody recognizes it is a problem, clearly.

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I think there are certain things that some blacks consider "normal" that others consider wrong.


Normal is whatever you see from your parents and neighborhood in everyday life. Which is why it is so hard to change the mindset of at risk kids, particularly when they are in high school.


I thought parents getting shit faced at little baseball games was normal until I was in my 20s.

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I just gave you the solution. You dismissed it. As long as that keeps happening, we are going to keep having these issues come up.


That's not a solution. It's words. It's sentiment.

What is the solution. HOW do you accomplsh it?

Everybody recognnizing a problem happens all the time. Yet the problem still exists. So that doesn't work.

Are you serious?


Yes.

Everyone recognizes that children growing up homeless and in abject poverty is a problem.

Yet the problem is still there.

Why?

The problem is still there because not everybody recognizes it is a problem, clearly.


So there needs to be 100% awareness by the entire population before a problem will no longer be a problem?

If so, nothing will ever get done and all the sentiments about demanding change are useless.

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I thought parents getting shit faced at little baseball games was normal until I was in my 20s.


It isn't??

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Treat him like everyone else at the table and give him a plate.


What if we don't have a plate to give? How does bob's sister feel about bob getting food? What if bob's mom is still hungry after she gives him a plate? What if bob drops all his food on the floor or the dog eats it? What if you are eating broccoli and bob doesn't like broccoli?

I like bob and I feel for bob. I don't want bob to be hungry. I might even give bob a plate occasionally. I'm sad for bob. But I can't or am not willing to sacrifice everything I have for bob. I'd be willing to bet nobody else here is either.

Bob needs to have opportunities, luck, talent, and intelligence. Everybody at that table is different also.


Well if you have created a system that keeps Bob dependent on you and others for a decent meal then Bob will never be able to provide for himself or his family. In a perfect world Bob would have exactly the same educational opportunities and employment opportunities as everyone else at the table. At that point Bob's work and effort would determine what's on his plate.

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The problem is still there because not everybody recognizes it is a problem, clearly.

So then there are people who do not recognize that homeless children are a problem?

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I thought parents getting shit faced at little baseball games was normal until I was in my 20s.


It isn't??

:lol:

That was my honest reaction to reading that.

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The problem is still there because not everybody recognizes it is a problem, clearly.

So then there are people who do not recognize that homeless children are a problem?


Shots fired at homeless children!

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I think there are certain things that some blacks consider "normal" that others consider wrong.


Normal is whatever you see from your parents and neighborhood in everyday life. Which is why it is so hard to change the mindset of at risk kids, particularly when they are in high school.


I thought parents getting shit faced at little baseball games was normal until I was in my 20s.


This is true

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[The law does not cover the situation sufficiently. It's obviously not just a problem with enforcement of law. The fact is that in practical application of our laws, police are allowed to get away with murder. Until that changes, the law most definitely is a problem.


No, it isn't.

Your problem is with juries or judges who innocent those who you believe to be guilty or with prosecutors who find insufficient evidence to charge.

The laws on the books are fine.

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A guy dialed 911 in Georgia and ambushed the police when they arrived.

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[The law does not cover the situation sufficiently. It's obviously not just a problem with enforcement of law. The fact is that in practical application of our laws, police are allowed to get away with murder. Until that changes, the law most definitely is a problem.


No, it isn't.

Your problem is with juries or judges who innocent those who you believe to be guilty or with prosecutors who find insufficient evidence to charge.

The laws on the books are fine.

They aren't mutually exclusive, and quite obviously go hand in hand. My problem is with the judges and juries and the law. The law clearly does not address police abuse sufficiently. Proof is in the pudding my man.

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A guy dialed 911 in Georgia and ambushed the police when they arrived.


I guess they would consider themselves martyrs. I don't think its effective and they will soon be characterized as domestic terrorists.

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Texas Lt. Governor Dan Patrick has weighed in.

Not even a full 24 hours has passed since Dallas police shooting suspect Micah Johnson (and his possible accomplices) killed five cops and injured seven others during a Black Lives Matter protest. Yet the tragedy’s freshness hasn’t deterred public officials, or anyone else with access to a live news feed, from saying something decidedly silly about the matter. Like Texas Lt. Governor Dan Patrick, who spoke with Outnumbered co-host Harris Faulkner on Fox News.

Patrick, whose penchant for commenting on matters like the Orlando nightclub shooting and transgender bathroom legislation has become the stuff of legend, wasted no time in ridiculing everyone but the alleged shooter. He didn’t name names à la Donald Trump’s Virginia campaign chair, but one comment about the Black Lives Matter protesters in attendance stood out:

“All those protesters last night, they ran the other way expecting the men and women in blue to turn around and protect them. What hypocrites! I understand the first amendment, I understand freedom of speech, and I defend it… But you can’t go out on social media and mainstream media and say that the police are racist.”

“Last night was peaceful,” Patrick described the protest earlier in the segment. However, he didn’t waver when he assigned blame to “former Black Lives Matter protests,” public figures like Rev. Jesse Jackson, and others who routinely cast law enforcement officials in a negative light.

Meanwhile, Patrick’s boss, Texas Governor and transgender-bathroom-rights-are-like-the-moon-landing advocate Greg Abbott issued an altogether different statement:

Every life matters.

With each innocent life lost, we lose more of our humanity.

It is time for us to unite as Texans, as Americans, to say no more.

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I think there are certain things that some blacks consider "normal" that others consider wrong. I honestly didn't know that the police couldn't do certain things until I was an adult because I saw them happen a lot as a kid.


Example:

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I think there are certain things that some blacks consider "normal" that others consider wrong. I honestly didn't know that the police couldn't do certain things until I was an adult because I saw them happen a lot as a kid.


Example:


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The Blue Lives Matter thing is pretty antagonistic and unnecessary. It's pretty clear that our country already know their lives matter. If caught, anyone shooting at or killing a cop will have the full brunt of the law thrown at them, and EVERYONE is expected to be outraged by the Dallas police shootings. I don't see anywhere near the same expectation of outrage for the black victims of police, and in almost every case those cops get off the hook for murder.


Any person killed in and because of his capacity as a public servant should receive public outrage and have the benefit of the "full brunt of the law" shown to the perpetrator. He is owed that for his service. I would think you would understand that as a military man.

A person who kills in his capacity as a public servant deserves increased scrutiny of the matter for nearly the same reason.

I don't see a lack of outrage in this country for either.

Ill introduce you to all the people saying Good Riddance to Alton Sterling.

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Another shooting in Tennessee with the same motivation. http://www.cbsnews.com/news/cops-tennes ... as-ambush/

Again, don't think that the perception that the police are killing only black people is good for anyone.

It would be incredibly naive to think these police shootings are ONLY a response to police killing people. There are MANY reasons that this is happening. BLM is not a problem.


Just imagine the danger these cops would be in if they had become truck drivers!!
Just imagine how much better your posts would be if you understood basic math!!

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Hungry Bob is a dumb analogy. I'm not even sure what the parallel is.

It's an apt analogy to the idiocy of saying ALL lives matter as a counter to black lives matter.


If I ask you to donate 5 dollars to help a homeless veteran so he can eat you wouldn't reply "We ALL need to eat"

Well you might. But ya know, a normal person wouldn't


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Can we stop with the analogies? Especially one where someone is named Hungry Bob. The guy's prolly a fatass anyway. He can miss a meal or two.

Let's try to stick with facts, and not bring down the conversation with analogies.

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Hungry Bob is a dumb analogy. I'm not even sure what the parallel is.

It's an apt analogy to the idiocy of saying ALL lives matter as a counter to black lives matter.


If I ask you to donate 5 dollars to help a homeless veteran so he can eat you wouldn't reply "We ALL need to eat"

Well you might. But ya know, a normal person wouldn't


Yes, I get the damn premise, but it's not like it's profound. A cheesy analogy shouldn't be needed to understand that #Alllivesmatter is a stupid meme perpetuated by alcoholic suburban housewives.

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