Yeah, that's pretty damn wrong. I have no idea what the law is (like when NYC had the stop and frisk policy), but it's wrong nonetheless--and even more wrong when this is "normal" behavior.

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When I first saw that analogy it was about potatoes. Im Irish but I let it slide.


There are lots of people who need it explained like they are a 4 year old (Shoutout to Denzel)


Remember when AIDS was our big problem? Those we're the days huh?

rumor is during the mayhem in Dallas the BLM people looted the local 7-11.

Shit like this is no good, police going to be more on edge than normal. All you black guys be careful man. I don't want to hear any of you getting hurt.

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Legislate out qualified immunity and let the cops buy insurance. You (society) will have to compensate them (the grunts, really) a lot more for their increased exposure to personal liability, but their guns will stay skinned a lot longer than they do now, that's for sure.

I'm asking how do you do that? what is the solution?

I also don't see this as a racial issue (necessarily) anymore. The shrinking middle class along with "generational" and social issues is resulting in a lot of Bob's at a lot of tables.

I don't think "mostly black men" means guys that are almost totally black. I think it means that this douchenozzle thinks that the vast majority of police-committed-homicide victims are black.

This is an undeniable, and incredibly unfortunate, trope of the BLM movement, you can find it implied or outright stated all over the place.

It sucks, because the core message of BLM ("stop letting police get away with killing unarmed and/or nonviolent people") is one everyone should be behind.

No doubt class is a bigger issue than race. I believe if poor whites and minorities realized this things would change quickly.

I believe education is by far the most important thing. Give everyone an equal opportunity to receive a quality education and similar employment opportunities. Reality is there is no solution that changes things overnight. The solutions would help our grandkids or great grandkids.

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The educational system is failing in Downers Grove. Most schools are rated in the 80-90% range in the state but they suck. There is a lot of parent involvement and at times extra help.

If there is no solution, how can we expect the problem to be solved?

Why do these schools suck?

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What a strange battle you are fighting here.

The numbers are at least twice as high as the percentage of the general popluation but you are discounting them because they said "mostly"?

How about you pay attention to the message rather than nitpicking things that don't matter.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

This is usually how convos on this subject between my wife and I go. The issues are have become engrained and generational. Part of the truth is the people who have the power to really provoke change don't because it won't get them elected or help them stay in their political seat. Anyone can say they care, but at the end of the day how much do you care? Because it's going to take a lot of effort, time, and resources to change somewhere like the south side of Chicago. Undoubtedly one of the most segregated areas in this country.

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I just told you what the solutions are. If you think the schools in Downers Grove suck just imagine how awful they are in Englewood.

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I just watched it, as your implication was that it would make a difference with respect to my post. And yet I find the video does nothing to answer my questions regarding the officer's guilt.

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"Mostly" implies a majority, or close to it, of victims of police homicide being black. That is not the case, and not even close to it, as has been evidenced earlier in this thread.

The point is that one of the few questionable tenets of BLM is that police homicide is aimed primarily at black people...when it demonstrably is not.

It's unnecessarily divisive, that's all.

People want instant change. I would love that too but the reality is that won't happen. It really shouldn't take courage to give people an equal opportunity to succeed.

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Can we agree on MANY?

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You seemed to have missed Ricks point. If you compare population rates, it's clear that police abuse disproportionately affects black people. Nitpicking the definitions of words while ignoring that point is a deflection of the issue.

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It shouldn't, but we live in a greedy world. Instant change is impossible.

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As a percentage of the population. According to the FBI 31% of the people killed by police are black. That's nearly 3 times the population.

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I don't agree with this, because the number of African Americans being shot by police when relative to population size is very high. Of course more white people are going to be shot. We make up the majority of the population in this country.

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Well then you have to add in the fact that unfortunately black males commit more crime than any other segment of the population bringing them into potential conflict with police.

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When I am stuck and need to figure something out I always remember the Immortal words of Socrates when he said:"I just drank what?"

There is a facebook page Friends of District 58 in Downers Grove that goes in to a lot of detail. Main points are there is no set curriculum, they've gone to standard based, and the testing is out of control. They've rolled a whole bunch of stupid things out the past few years and the teachers weren't properly trained or on board. The common core seems to be having the opposite effect of what it's intended. There are so many issues in schools now, it has to be so hard to be a teacher.

These stats are misleading. They do not prove abuse. I hate to agree with Chas, but when one group is committing a disproportionate amount of the crime, they will naturally have a disproportionate amount of arrests and conflicts with police.

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Chas wasn't worth responding to, so I'll ask you this. Do you think black people are genetically more violent or criminal than other races? If the answer to that question is no, then those arrest numbers support, not refute, the premise that police are targeting black people.

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What's misleading about them? What about the sentencing stats? Are those misleading too?

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ImO you have to get deeper into it. You have to think why? What led to this?

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FF you can not pick and choose what data you want. either you use the data at hand and have a reasonable talk or try and do like you normally do.

Do blacks get pulled over more than white people? probably. So do brown people.but that is because cops pull people over for a reason, not for any ole reason. Unless you are in a little redneck town then I am all with you.If you look at the people who are stopped I would say 80% of those who have been stopped more than once in their life have done something to do so.

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It's not all the gov's fault. A lot is, but some of why DG might be better than Englewood is parental involvement. Parents are getting worse and crazier by us.

There are a ton more reasons but I don't want to type them all.

the one thing I notice no one is bringing up about the guy shot in front of the connivance store is he should not of had a gun on him. He was on parole,so he was a felon with a gun. If he was following the law he would be alive today.

All this talk is sounding like you want police to not pull anyone over who looks suspicious or wrong. Don't stop people for traffic violations. If they resist just let them go.

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When I am stuck and need to figure something out I always remember the Immortal words of Socrates when he said:"I just drank what?"