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The white guy is a moron and originally drew the arrow the wrong way

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Fare you well, fare you well
I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul

I just noticed that. Well hey, they turn away the smart ones.

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If he took a day off off or got sick he would be alive too. Breaking a law does not justify someone being killed. I would feel the same way if the police shot you when you stole those jerseys.

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Be well

GO BEARS!!!

FF hates white people.

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It's safe to say neither are catching ANYONE.

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Nas hates fat people.

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It's more than education. Here in the People's Republic of Oak Park, the test scores by race are wildly divergent, yet the schools are the same. IMO the difference is a stable family environment. Can't have that without the man having a decent job. Decent jobs are really hard to get nowadays. Not sure what the solution is.

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#FatLivesMatter

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Education is the primary cause of generational poverty IMO. A stable family may make you a better student but a quality school will still give you the opportunity to succeed.

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Does not justify, but if he did not have the gun oh well.

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Not genetically more violent or criminal, but more violent/criminal due to a variety of factors, many out of their control (slavery, racism) and others they may be at least partly responsible for (having a high number of children out of wedlock, which creates a host of negative issues).

The arrest numbers reflect who is committing the crimes. We can argue why they are committing them, or whether certain things should even be crimes (i.e., decriminalize drugs) but blaming police as a whole seems misdirected (there are obviously bad cops, and I'm not defending them).

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Who knew Herb and the dude from Mike and Molly were police officers

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I think limiting the blame to police is a bad idea. I understand what you're saying but it seems to be that we are again back at the beginning of the argument, which is that we need to address the reasons our society is setting black people up for significantly higher chances of poverty, lack of educational opportunities, increased chance of arrest, and abuse at the hands of police. Unfortunately, it seems like far too many people would rather talk about every possible ancillary issue for as long as it takes to avoid talking about the main issue.

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Fare you well, fare you well
I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul

FF, what you said is very similar to what Gingrich said this morning on the news. People have to stop dancing around the issues if we are to take a step past the current climate. I was actually surprised a career republican politician went straight to the heart of the matter.

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It's a conversation that even in 2016 most people are not comfortable having. To do so would require both sides look within. Blacks have to also accept some responsibility. The tension precede the actions with regard to police and black males.

Police abuse is not the single biggest thing plaguing blacks. There are a larger list of social and economic issues that affect blacks, but the only story that has gained any traction is police abuse. The lawlessness that exists within impoverished black communities is not a product of police brutality.

As far as terrorism goes one should simply look at the urban terrorism that has existed within ghetto areas for decades. Blacks aren't concerned about ISIS. In ghetto areas ISIS has existed seemingly forever.

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We don't agree on pretty much any basketball topic LTG, but I agree with most of your points made in this thread.

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I have my moments. I hope that there won't be a barrage of copycats. I think there will and it will necessitate a crackdown on the part of law enforcement types.

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I'd add social capital (who ya know). Hmm....unless by education you mean knowing how to get from point A to B to C. Like, you screw up, and then you know how to fix it. Or you know how to work institutions. Some people don't have that knowledge.

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Comparing strictly racial demographic data across the US glosses over a litany of potential biases: Income, social status, geographic location, surrounding crime rate, etc. Those biases on their own may be indicative of endemic racial bias left over from bygone years of abject persecution and overt oppression, but they are not necessarily indicative of such an actively racist policing system as some may want you to believe.

If crime is more of an economic issue, as many claim, and those that are poorer tend to be criminals irrespective of race, and also that economic classes tend to congregate, a black person--in part due to injustices committed generations ago--is then more likely to bring in a lower income; It then it would stand to reason that any randomly sampled black person would be more likely than others to live in a higher-crime area. And if police tend to patrol higher-crime (poorer) areas than they do low-crime areas, it stands to reason that any randomly sampled black person is more likely to "encounter" police as part of their lives. The more encounters with a militarized force of low-wage idiots, the more likely something stupid is going to happen, etc.

When a bigot points to the percentage of the black population arrested for or convicted of crimes as some ludicrous indication of inherent criminality in some sub-set of a sub-set of a culture, everyone is reminded that "crime" is an economic and social issue, rather than a racial one. But now police interactions with arrest-able "criminals" is suddenly easily boiled down to racial demographics? Doesn't seem right to me.



They might be.

JLN,

I would like to evaluate and respond to what you are saying, but I'm unclear what your thesis is.

Are you saying that these police killings of black people are a result of socio-economic status rather than race? You make several points, but I'm not sure what your conclusion is.

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That's just a copy and paste job.

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Interesting video in the link...
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/youre-not-living-on-the-same-planet-as-we-are-cnn-panel-blows-up-over-shootings/

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Been coaching little league for many years.
Literally never witnessed this, that I know of.

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You just described every single school district in the state of Illinois. Probably in the majority of the country.
Do you think that #58 is unique in those regards? If so, let the neighborhood group that they aren't alone.

That's the nature of the business. Your government says so.

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Problem is the lack of jobs available to blacks; since some suffer from a poor educational system, they are unable to obtain skilled jobs and instead are placed in labor or unskilled positions. Those jobs are being eliminated by technological advances and, due to the fault of companies, the influx of illegal immigrants into the country. Without jobs and education, many turn to welfare or to crime. The improvement of the educational system and giving jobs back to American citizens will begin to lessen unemployment in the black community, therefore lessening crime and rebuilding the family structure that many young men need to avoid crime and gangs.

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