I should consider Rodon a failure because Baumgarner is FAR SUPERIOR? Both top-10 picks.

I think you missed Hussra's point.

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Because he has no point. It's based on bullshit.

Comparing home-grown players on a roster to home-grown players on a roster to home-grown players on a roster.
It's a simple comparison.
That they aren't very good or very experienced home-grown players? Reinforces the idea that that team isn't gettting it done via home-grown players.

What Theo's team is really good at it, and what any GM SHOULD be good at, is fleecing other teams--teams in contention--when those other teams need an arm at the trade deadline. if you look at the Cubs roster and their history under Theo, it's like he wanted to tank for 3 years because he wanted to get the haul of almost-MLB-ready prospects he knew he could get at the trade deadline each year--by flipping Dempsters and Garzas and Feldmans to the contending Rangers / Orioles for hauls of vetted, almost-MLB ready arms.

About the only way to be able to be a seller at the trade deadline every year is to tank. A's sometimes try to do both. Deliberately signing extra arms they know they'll be dumping for prospects at the trade deadline every year.

Course, this year, shoe's on the other arm. Theo needs arms to contend. How much will he have to give up to get them. Cubs didn't do much at the trade deadline last season, didn't need much. Dan Haren & Tommy Hunter came cheap.

1. Hussra's initial point were other teams had more home grown players. He cherry picked the White Sox and Giant for whatever reason. In summary for each team organized the totals as:

A. Cubs home-grown players on their current 25 man drafted by Theo
B. White Sox home-grown players on their current 25 man
C. SF Giants home-grown players on their current 25 man

For the Cubs he designates which players were picked by Theo. However for the Giants/Sox he does not designate which players were picked by their current GMs in Evans or Hahn.

2. He remarks condescendingly "2nd overall and it worked out! OMG." with regards to Bryant and "1st round! 6th overall! 269/300/703! for Almora.

Should we discount the Giants for selecting Posey and Baumgarner for being top-10 picks?

3. His initial post is strictly counting quantity of home grown players per his arbitrary bucketing. "count roster spots and compare"
His use of 25-man roster of course excludes Jorge Soler and Kyle Schwarber who are on the disabled list. In a strict count by number exercise he's cherry-picking like above.

4. He then shifts to "And when you calculate aggregate WAR contibrution?" Comparing the AGGREGATE WAR of 5+ years veterans to a bucket of 1st and 2nd year players of course looks bad.

His rambling criticism was garbage.

Did not "shift to" adding in aggregate WAR.

Rather, "piled on" aggregate WAR.

Other side of the same coin. Anyway you slice it, Cubs active MLB roster falls to the bottom of the majors in home-grown player contributions.


Maybe that's why Theo calls it a 5 year plan. Cuz after 5 or so seasons, you need to go back to being trade-deadline sellers--to do another few rounds of raiding the "best of" from other teams farm-systems. if'n you don't have the home-grown roster footprint/draft-success of a SF or STL. Or the payroll of a NY/BOS/LA/DET.

Hussra has done good work here, and I have extremely critical of him in the past. Like IMU, a hatchet I would like to bury.

SomeGuy vibe.

I didn't remember that one

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I think the tanking plan had a negative impact on castros development

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You don't want to open that door

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I for one, am ecstatic that Theo & Co. are running my favorite franchise.

The flaw in the plan is in one simple word Boras.He is Arrieta's and Bryant's' agent....he'll fill Jake in limited pitch counts and show him what happened to Harvey, and Bryant will ask for the moon and some team will give it to him unfortunately it won't be the Cubs

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I'm going to bounce from the spot for awhile but I will be back at some point to argue with you about this hoops stuff again. Playoffs have been great this season. See ya up the road.

I'm out.

Stanton, Harper or Bryant.

One will be a Cub heading into their 30's.

Bryant's 24, and he's not eligible for free agency until 2022, when he'll be 30.

Harper's 23, he'll be eligible for free agency in 2019, age 26.

Stanton's already been extended until the 2nd term of the Chelsea Clinton administration.

I really can't agree with this. The Cubs are looking it 2 straight playoff appearances. Reports from multiple non-Cub related minor league scouting reports rank them as the most rich farm system in baseball.

The local coverage and fandom is nauseating but the Plan inherited a metric shit-ton of stupid contracts and no-trade clauses and here they are. Yes...they haven't won anything yet, but they're in it 2 years in a row and counting.

We'd be lucky to have this problem on the Sox.

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