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Who had the better career?
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I could keep the idiotic pf/c debate going but I won't because it's stupid. Tim Duncan from about 97 til about 07 was the best player in the league.

I will say that your advanced stat stuff is dumb, since they have Duncan playing a 100% of the time at center. They also have Splitter playing a vast majority of time at Center too. How is that possible if both are starting. It's not really about being right, but watch the games sometimes. It helps with the "analysis".

Brick you couldn't probably tell who any of the PFs were doing Duncan's Era at Center. You would have to go back and start crunching numbers. Watch the games and that will tell you what you need to know. You would be able to cite specifics. Never can.


No he wasn't



Which players prior to 05 did he play with that were top 05 at their position? Which players prior to 05 were top 10 at their position? On the Spurs. I believed that they'd amassed 3 rings by that point.


David Robinson was still a great player when Duncan came into the league. Duncan wasn't even the best big man. Hakeem was still playing and Shaq was dominating. Jordan was in the league than too. I could argue that Duncan was never the best player in the league. His consistency is what makes him great.


David Robinson wasn't great when Duncan came into the league. David Robinson also had never been to a conf. Finals prior to Duncan's arrival. Maybe the year Houston beat them. Im not sure on that one but I think it was a second round knockout. Jordan was in his final year with the Bull when Duncan was a rookie. Where was Kobe at that stage of the game? Hakeem was also on his last legs that year. Lot of revisionism here.

Shaq was the only player during the early millennium period that was in Duncan's class. Garnett was somewhere in the conversation but he never could dominate games offensively. Duncan could.

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I could argue that Duncan was never the best player in the league.

It would be the worst sports argument you would ever make, which is really saying something. He was as dominant from '03-'05 as any player who has ever played. Was that game 7 against Detroit in the Finals just his consistency being great?
Did you miss what PF Lebron James just did? Did PF Duncan ever lead the Finals in every category for both teams?

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Only Rick would would take exception to someone being labeled the best PF of all time instead of the best PF of all time who also played Center.
But he was mostly a center.

But if it doesn't matter what position he played then lets just put all big men together and see who we think is the best.


Even if you say he was a Center, which I don't, he is probably the 3rd best. Behind Wilt and Kareem.


Russell and Shaq too.

Hakeem.

No way Duncan is the 3rd best center.


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Only Rick would would take exception to someone being labeled the best PF of all time instead of the best PF of all time who also played Center.
But he was mostly a center.

But if it doesn't matter what position he played then lets just put all big men together and see who we think is the best.


Even if you say he was a Center, which I don't, he is probably the 3rd best. Behind Wilt and Kareem.


Russell and Shaq too.

Hakeem.

No way Duncan is the 3rd best center.


I would take Duncan because of his level of consistency and Hakeem never beat any great teams. I'm an Hakeem fan but he had some off years in Houston. They also were going to trade him in the early 90's. He wasn't dominant early in his career. Good but not dominant.

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I could argue that Duncan was never the best player in the league.

It would be the worst sports argument you would ever make, which is really saying something. He was as dominant from '03-'05 as any player who has ever played. Was that game 7 against Detroit in the Finals just his consistency being great?
Did you miss what PF Lebron James just did? Did PF Duncan ever lead the Finals in every category for both teams?


LeBron James has never won anything without having a very good wingman. (Shoutout to me on the Kyrie Irving call btw). Tim Duncan has.

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Nas wrote:
I could argue that Duncan was never the best player in the league.

It would be the worst sports argument you would ever make, which is really saying something. He was as dominant from '03-'05 as any player who has ever played. Was that game 7 against Detroit in the Finals just his consistency being great?
Did you miss what PF Lebron James just did? Did PF Duncan ever lead the Finals in every category for both teams?

No, he didn't. He didn't need to. A couple other things he also never did that PF LeBron did: Miss the playoffs, hand pick and change his teams twice, lose 4 times in the NBA Finals, throw teammates and coaches under the bus publicly.

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FavreFan wrote:
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Nas wrote:
I could argue that Duncan was never the best player in the league.

It would be the worst sports argument you would ever make, which is really saying something. He was as dominant from '03-'05 as any player who has ever played. Was that game 7 against Detroit in the Finals just his consistency being great?
Did you miss what PF Lebron James just did? Did PF Duncan ever lead the Finals in every category for both teams?

No, he didn't. He didn't need to. A couple other things he also never did that PF LeBron did: Miss the playoffs, hand pick and change his teams twice, lose 4 times in the NBA Finals, throw teammates and coaches under the bus publicly.


Something else Duncan has never done. Play in the Eastern Conf.

Something LeBron has never done. Play in the Western Conf.

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Nas wrote:
I could argue that Duncan was never the best player in the league.

It would be the worst sports argument you would ever make, which is really saying something. He was as dominant from '03-'05 as any player who has ever played. Was that game 7 against Detroit in the Finals just his consistency being great?
Did you miss what PF Lebron James just did? Did PF Duncan ever lead the Finals in every category for both teams?

No, he didn't. He didn't need to. A couple other things he also never did that PF LeBron did: Miss the playoffs, hand pick and change his teams twice, lose 4 times in the NBA Finals, throw teammates and coaches under the bus publicly.


If Lebron was smart, he would start listing himself as a SF from here on out so he can be the best SF of all-time when he retires.
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I could keep the idiotic pf/c debate going but I won't because it's stupid. Tim Duncan from about 97 til about 07 was the best player in the league.

I will say that your advanced stat stuff is dumb, since they have Duncan playing a 100% of the time at center. They also have Splitter playing a vast majority of time at Center too. How is that possible if both are starting. It's not really about being right, but watch the games sometimes. It helps with the "analysis".

Brick you couldn't probably tell who any of the PFs were doing Duncan's Era at Center. You would have to go back and start crunching numbers. Watch the games and that will tell you what you need to know. You would be able to cite specifics. Never can.


No he wasn't



Which players prior to 05 did he play with that were top 05 at their position? Which players prior to 05 were top 10 at their position? On the Spurs. I believed that they'd amassed 3 rings by that point.


David Robinson was still a great player when Duncan came into the league. Duncan wasn't even the best big man. Hakeem was still playing and Shaq was dominating. Jordan was in the league than too. I could argue that Duncan was never the best player in the league. His consistency is what makes him great.


David Robinson wasn't great when Duncan came into the league. David Robinson also had never been to a conf. Finals prior to Duncan's arrival. Maybe the year Houston beat them. Im not sure on that one but I think it was a second round knockout. Jordan was in his final year with the Bull when Duncan was a rookie. Where was Kobe at that stage of the game? Hakeem was also on his last legs that year. Lot of revisionism here.

Shaq was the only player during the early millennium period that was in Duncan's class. Garnett was somewhere in the conversation but he never could dominate games offensively. Duncan could.


Robinson had a was an all star and had a better season Duncan's rookie year.

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FavreFan wrote:
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Nas wrote:
I could argue that Duncan was never the best player in the league.

It would be the worst sports argument you would ever make, which is really saying something. He was as dominant from '03-'05 as any player who has ever played. Was that game 7 against Detroit in the Finals just his consistency being great?
Did you miss what PF Lebron James just did? Did PF Duncan ever lead the Finals in every category for both teams?

No, he didn't. He didn't need to. A couple other things he also never did that PF LeBron did: Miss the playoffs, hand pick and change his teams twice, lose 4 times in the NBA Finals, throw teammates and coaches under the bus publicly.


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I could argue that Duncan was never the best player in the league.

It would be the worst sports argument you would ever make, which is really saying something. He was as dominant from '03-'05 as any player who has ever played. Was that game 7 against Detroit in the Finals just his consistency being great?


Statistically his best seasons were 99-00 until 02-03. He didn't win a title until 02-03. I would argue that 02-03 statistically was Kobe's best all around season.

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Bottom line is Duncan is the 6th best center ever and Kobe is the 2nd best SG.

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I could argue that Duncan was never the best player in the league.

It would be the worst sports argument you would ever make, which is really saying something. He was as dominant from '03-'05 as any player who has ever played. Was that game 7 against Detroit in the Finals just his consistency being great?


Statistically his best seasons were 99-00 until 02-03. He didn't win a title until 02-03. I would argue that 02-03 statistically was Kobe's best all around season.

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Nas wrote:
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Nas wrote:
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I could keep the idiotic pf/c debate going but I won't because it's stupid. Tim Duncan from about 97 til about 07 was the best player in the league.

I will say that your advanced stat stuff is dumb, since they have Duncan playing a 100% of the time at center. They also have Splitter playing a vast majority of time at Center too. How is that possible if both are starting. It's not really about being right, but watch the games sometimes. It helps with the "analysis".

Brick you couldn't probably tell who any of the PFs were doing Duncan's Era at Center. You would have to go back and start crunching numbers. Watch the games and that will tell you what you need to know. You would be able to cite specifics. Never can.


No he wasn't



Which players prior to 05 did he play with that were top 05 at their position? Which players prior to 05 were top 10 at their position? On the Spurs. I believed that they'd amassed 3 rings by that point.


David Robinson was still a great player when Duncan came into the league. Duncan wasn't even the best big man. Hakeem was still playing and Shaq was dominating. Jordan was in the league than too. I could argue that Duncan was never the best player in the league. His consistency is what makes him great.


David Robinson wasn't great when Duncan came into the league. David Robinson also had never been to a conf. Finals prior to Duncan's arrival. Maybe the year Houston beat them. Im not sure on that one but I think it was a second round knockout. Jordan was in his final year with the Bull when Duncan was a rookie. Where was Kobe at that stage of the game? Hakeem was also on his last legs that year. Lot of revisionism here.

Shaq was the only player during the early millennium period that was in Duncan's class. Garnett was somewhere in the conversation but he never could dominate games offensively. Duncan could.


Robinson had a was an all star and had a better season Duncan's rookie year.


The year they first won the championship, which wasn't 03 Duncan was the best player on the team. The year they beat the Knicks Duncan was indisputably their best player.

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Nas wrote:
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I could argue that Duncan was never the best player in the league.

It would be the worst sports argument you would ever make, which is really saying something. He was as dominant from '03-'05 as any player who has ever played. Was that game 7 against Detroit in the Finals just his consistency being great?


Statistically his best seasons were 99-00 until 02-03. He didn't win a title until 02-03. I would argue that 02-03 statistically was Kobe's best all around season.


Wrong Intel on this one.

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I could argue that Duncan was never the best player in the league.

It would be the worst sports argument you would ever make, which is really saying something. He was as dominant from '03-'05 as any player who has ever played. Was that game 7 against Detroit in the Finals just his consistency being great?


Statistically his best seasons were 99-00 until 02-03. He didn't win a title until 02-03. I would argue that 02-03 statistically was Kobe's best all around season.

:lol:

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I was talking about when he was at his statistic peak.

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Nas wrote:
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Nas wrote:
I could argue that Duncan was never the best player in the league.

It would be the worst sports argument you would ever make, which is really saying something. He was as dominant from '03-'05 as any player who has ever played. Was that game 7 against Detroit in the Finals just his consistency being great?


Statistically his best seasons were 99-00 until 02-03. He didn't win a title until 02-03. I would argue that 02-03 statistically was Kobe's best all around season.

:lol:

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I was talking about when he was at his statistic peak.

I'm not sure you even know what you're talking about in this thread. You're all over the place and wrong on everything.

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Nas wrote:
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Nas wrote:
I could argue that Duncan was never the best player in the league.

It would be the worst sports argument you would ever make, which is really saying something. He was as dominant from '03-'05 as any player who has ever played. Was that game 7 against Detroit in the Finals just his consistency being great?


Statistically his best seasons were 99-00 until 02-03. He didn't win a title until 02-03. I would argue that 02-03 statistically was Kobe's best all around season.

:lol:

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I was talking about when he was at his statistic peak.

I'm not sure you even know what you're talking about in this thread. You're all over the place and wrong on everything.


Statistically Duncan was at his best from 99-00 until 02-03. The Spurs only won 1 title during that time. The season they won a title Kobe had arguably his best statistical season as a pro.

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Kobe Bryant wasn't even the best player on his own team during the period you cite. Duncan still beat him and Shaq during this period. Look at the 02-03 Spur roster. That is a testament to Duncan's greatness. David Robinson was about 37 or 38 yrs old yet he was the reason they won in your opinion. He was on his own retirement tour but he was leading teams to championships.

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Kobe Bryant wasn't even the best player on his own team during the period you cite. Duncan still beat him and Shaq during this period. Look at the 02-03 Spur roster. That is a testament to Duncan's greatness. David Robinson was about 37 or 38 yrs old yet he was the reason they won in your opinion. He was on his own retirement tour but he was leading teams to championships.


Can you read and comprehend what you are reading or do you just prefer a straw man? I'll hang up and wait for you to respond to something I never said.

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Statistically Duncan was at his best from 99-00 until 02-03. The Spurs only won 1 title during that time. The season they won a title Kobe had arguably his best statistical season as a pro.

Kobe's best statistical season as a pro was the year his clutch play and will to win valiantly led the Lakers to a first round exit against Phoenix.
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Statistically Duncan was at his best from 99-00 until 02-03. The Spurs only won 1 title during that time. The season they won a title Kobe had arguably his best statistical season as a pro.

Kobe's best statistical season as a pro was the year his clutch play and will to win valiantly led the Lakers to a first round exit against Phoenix.


His scoring average peaked but I would argue 30-7-6 and 2 steals was a better all around season.

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Kobe Bryant wasn't even the best player on his own team during the period you cite. Duncan still beat him and Shaq during this period. Look at the 02-03 Spur roster. That is a testament to Duncan's greatness. David Robinson was about 37 or 38 yrs old yet he was the reason they won in your opinion. He was on his own retirement tour but he was leading teams to championships.


Can you read and comprehend what you are reading or do you just prefer a straw man? I'll hang up and wait for you to respond to something I never said.


To be honest I don't really understand what you are saying, but yet I still wanted to give it the sort of attention that one of your posts so richly deserves.

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