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Nas you are extremely ignorant where this subject is concerned. Really truly ignorant. The reason that black on black violence hasn't gotten much traction is the same reason that most black issues don't gain much traction within black circles. Your apologist attitude is indicative of the problem and it demonstrates that you really don't have a pulse for what goes on in the REAL world.

The police are not the reason that black people in ghetto areas live in fear. Police abuse can be eliminated tomorrow and that fact will not change.

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This is how I'm starting to feel about BLM. I don't like how black on black crime is just shoved to the side as an issue. I'm kind of getting tired of not being able to say all lives matter. Also, the lack of real structure, and no figurehead at the top of the movement is a recipe for failure.

I understand the need for police oversight and reform.

I'm just pivoting here. How does shutting down interstate highways and throwing cinder blocks get you closer to anything except more racism? You're pushing away the moderate white people, where MLK embraced them.


The issue isn't shoved to the side. It's been one of the most popular topics for damn near 50 years. Turn on your television or open your daily paper and you'll find it. As I and MANY others have repeatedly pointed out BLM is focused on 1 issue.

You can say all lives matter but the laws that were designed to target blacks, the sentencing and the and many other things would tell you Lady Justice doesn't value the lives of blacks.

If you understand that reforms are needed you shouldn't have an issue with Americans exercising their rights in an attempt to force politicians to make the necessary changes. Yeah it may be an inconvenience to your life and MANY others but this is what it has come to. You or the people in your community haven't been living under the thumb of our justice system for decades so it hard for you to understand how desperate for change people are and how tired they are of waiting.


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You don't quite understand my point which is unsurprising. The next time that black lives matter protests about black in black homicide will probably be the first time that they protest over black on black violence.
I do understand. Why should they be required to protest that? They exist for one specific reason. Protest groups can exist for one specific reason.


They should protest it because the devaluing of black lives occurs at a much more frequent rate in black communities. It is a prime example of selective outrage.

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They should protest it because the devaluing of black lives occurs at a much more frequent rate in black communities. It is a prime example of selective outrage.
Most protest groups engage in selective outrage though. Very few are all encompassing. They concentrate on one specific change.

Should they all stop too?

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They should protest it because the devaluing of black lives occurs at a much more frequent rate in black communities. It is a prime example of selective outrage.
Most protest groups engage in selective outrage though. Very few are all encompassing. They concentrate on one specific change.

Should they all stop too?


Is their calling card "Black Lives Matter"?

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Nas you are extremely ignorant where this subject is concerned. Really truly ignorant. The reason that black on black violence hasn't gotten much traction is the same reason that most black issues don't gain much traction within black circles. Your apologist attitude is indicative of the problem and it demonstrates that you really don't have a pulse for what goes on in the REAL world.

The police are not the reason that black people in ghetto areas live in fear. Police abuse can be eliminated tomorrow and that fact will not change.


Thanks! I'll continue to live with my ignorance of not demanding that groups do everything I want or only focus on the issues that I believe are important like education.

You can continue to focus on black on black crime (reduced by over 50% in the past 20 years) or any other purity tests that you believe black organizations should pass.

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This is how I'm starting to feel about BLM. I don't like how black on black crime is just shoved to the side as an issue. I'm kind of getting tired of not being able to say all lives matter. Also, the lack of real structure, and no figurehead at the top of the movement is a recipe for failure.

I understand the need for police oversight and reform.

I'm just pivoting here. How does shutting down interstate highways and throwing cinder blocks get you closer to anything except more racism? You're pushing away the moderate white people, where MLK embraced them.


The issue isn't shoved to the side. It's been one of the most popular topics for damn near 50 years. Turn on your television or open your daily paper and you'll find it. As I and MANY others have repeatedly pointed out BLM is focused on 1 issue.

You can say all lives matter but the laws that were designed to target blacks, the sentencing and the and many other things would tell you Lady Justice doesn't value the lives of blacks.

If you understand that reforms are needed you shouldn't have an issue with Americans exercising their rights in an attempt to force politicians to make the necessary changes. Yeah it may be an inconvenience to your life and MANY others but this is what it has come to. You or the people in your community haven't been living under the thumb of our justice system for decades so it hard for you to understand how desperate for change people are and how tired they are of waiting.


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Even among all the injustice, he still said....


Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King, Jr.

Violence as a way of achieving racial justice is both impractical and immoral. I am not unmindful of the fact that violence often brings about momentary results. Nations have frequently won their independence in battle. But in spite of temporary victories, violence never brings permanent peace.

Nonviolence means avoiding not only external physical violence but also internal violence of spirit. You not only refuse to shoot a man, but you refuse to hate him. Martin Luther King, Jr.


Nothing moves me like quotes from the morally bankrupt charlatan MLK.

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Nas wrote:
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Nas you are extremely ignorant where this subject is concerned. Really truly ignorant. The reason that black on black violence hasn't gotten much traction is the same reason that most black issues don't gain much traction within black circles. Your apologist attitude is indicative of the problem and it demonstrates that you really don't have a pulse for what goes on in the REAL world.

The police are not the reason that black people in ghetto areas live in fear. Police abuse can be eliminated tomorrow and that fact will not change.


Thanks! I'll continue to live with my ignorance of not demanding that groups do everything I want or only focus on the issues that I believe are important like education.

You can continue to focus on black on black crime (reduced by over 50% in the past 20 years) or any other purity tests that you believe black organizations should pass.



You truly don't have a clue. The 50% is likely due to the incarceration laws which you consider to be unjust. I guarantee that you can find a direct correlation between the reduction in the murder rate and the passage of the highly effective yet roundly criticized crime bill.

If you don't think that black on black crime should receive a higher priority than police abuse then I don't know what to say. I'm done have a good one.

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Nas wrote:
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Nas you are extremely ignorant where this subject is concerned. Really truly ignorant. The reason that black on black violence hasn't gotten much traction is the same reason that most black issues don't gain much traction within black circles. Your apologist attitude is indicative of the problem and it demonstrates that you really don't have a pulse for what goes on in the REAL world.

The police are not the reason that black people in ghetto areas live in fear. Police abuse can be eliminated tomorrow and that fact will not change.


Thanks! I'll continue to live with my ignorance of not demanding that groups do everything I want or only focus on the issues that I believe are important like education.

You can continue to focus on black on black crime (reduced by over 50% in the past 20 years) or any other purity tests that you believe black organizations should pass.



You truly don't have a clue.


It is definitely clear that you don't. Why don't you start a organization that primarily focuses on black on black violence and pants that hang off the asses of our youth. My guess is that is too much work and you prefer to sit on the sidelines complaining while others try to get shit done.

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Nas wrote:
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Nas wrote:
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Nas you are extremely ignorant where this subject is concerned. Really truly ignorant. The reason that black on black violence hasn't gotten much traction is the same reason that most black issues don't gain much traction within black circles. Your apologist attitude is indicative of the problem and it demonstrates that you really don't have a pulse for what goes on in the REAL world.

The police are not the reason that black people in ghetto areas live in fear. Police abuse can be eliminated tomorrow and that fact will not change.


Thanks! I'll continue to live with my ignorance of not demanding that groups do everything I want or only focus on the issues that I believe are important like education.

You can continue to focus on black on black crime (reduced by over 50% in the past 20 years) or any other purity tests that you believe black organizations should pass.



You truly don't have a clue.


It is definitely clear that you don't. Why don't you start a organization that primarily focuses on black on black violence and pants that hang off the asses of our youth. My guess is that is too much work and you prefer to sit on the sidelines complaining while others try to get shit done.


I have spent the better part of 20 years addressing such issues and I can guarantee that I have changed more young lives than either you or the vast majority of people involved in the black lives matter movement. I can also provide examples where I have literally saved lives. While you pontificate I actually live it. So when you say do something I have. Once again you are truly ignorant

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Devil's advocate here. Has anyone actually been to the site yet?

http://blacklivesmatter.com

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Nas wrote:
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Nas wrote:
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Nas you are extremely ignorant where this subject is concerned. Really truly ignorant. The reason that black on black violence hasn't gotten much traction is the same reason that most black issues don't gain much traction within black circles. Your apologist attitude is indicative of the problem and it demonstrates that you really don't have a pulse for what goes on in the REAL world.

The police are not the reason that black people in ghetto areas live in fear. Police abuse can be eliminated tomorrow and that fact will not change.


Thanks! I'll continue to live with my ignorance of not demanding that groups do everything I want or only focus on the issues that I believe are important like education.

You can continue to focus on black on black crime (reduced by over 50% in the past 20 years) or any other purity tests that you believe black organizations should pass.



You truly don't have a clue.


It is definitely clear that you don't. Why don't you start a organization that primarily focuses on black on black violence and pants that hang off the asses of our youth. My guess is that is too much work and you prefer to sit on the sidelines complaining while others try to get shit done.


I have spent the better part of 20 years addressing such issues and I can guarantee that I have changed more young lives than either you or the vast majority of people involved in the black lives matter movement. I can also provide examples where I have literally saved lives. While you pontificate I actually live it. So when you say do something I have. Once again you are truly ignorant


So you've lived it and I just talk about it. No chance that I've lived it most of my adult life and continue to live it. There you go again speaking all this truth. You're definitely better than me and the entire BLM movement. If nothing else you've shown that you have the unique ability to make people want to listen and follow you. You're a natural born leader and a man that listens to and respects the thoughts of others.

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Nas wrote:
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Nas wrote:
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Nas you are extremely ignorant where this subject is concerned. Really truly ignorant. The reason that black on black violence hasn't gotten much traction is the same reason that most black issues don't gain much traction within black circles. Your apologist attitude is indicative of the problem and it demonstrates that you really don't have a pulse for what goes on in the REAL world.

The police are not the reason that black people in ghetto areas live in fear. Police abuse can be eliminated tomorrow and that fact will not change.


Thanks! I'll continue to live with my ignorance of not demanding that groups do everything I want or only focus on the issues that I believe are important like education.

You can continue to focus on black on black crime (reduced by over 50% in the past 20 years) or any other purity tests that you believe black organizations should pass.



You truly don't have a clue.


It is definitely clear that you don't. Why don't you start a organization that primarily focuses on black on black violence and pants that hang off the asses of our youth. My guess is that is too much work and you prefer to sit on the sidelines complaining while others try to get shit done.


I have spent the better part of 20 years addressing such issues and I can guarantee that I have changed more young lives than either you or the vast majority of people involved in the black lives matter movement. I can also provide examples where I have literally saved lives. While you pontificate I actually live it. So when you say do something I have. Once again you are truly ignorant


So you've lived it and I just talk about it. No chance that I've lived it most of my adult life and continue to live it. There you go again speaking all this truth. You're definitely better than me and the entire BLM movement. If nothing else you've shown that you have the unique ability to make people want to listen and follow you. You're a natural born leader and a man that listens to and respects the thoughts of others.


Once again your ignorance is showing and I never said that I was "better" than anyone. You're lying. I respect the thoughts of others. You however haven't much respected my opinion. It instantly became about why I haven't started an organization? What does that have to do with anything? Bill Cosby?

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NAS, I think we can both agree if moderate white people cared as much about BLM as they do pictures of dead beagles then this reform would have happened a long time ago.

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NAS, I think we can both agree if moderate white people cared as much about BLM as they do pictures of dead beagles then this reform would have happened a long time ago.


There is a not so old adage. Before anyone else can care about you you must first care about yourself.

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Once again your ignorance is showing and I never said that I was "better" than anyone. You're lying. I respect the thoughts of others. You however haven't much respected my opinion. It instantly became about why I haven't started an organization? What does that have to do with anything? Bill Cosby?


Once again you are completely right. It's amazing how that is always the case. Have a great evening! I'm going to bow out of this debate with you. Absolutely nothing positive or productive will come from me continuing this.

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NAS, I think we can both agree if moderate white people cared as much about BLM as they do pictures of dead beagles then this reform would have happened a long time ago.


I completely agree. Poor whites should also support criminal justice reform because the system fucks them too.

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This is weird.
I like black people.

I even invite them to my house.

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This is weird.
I like black people.

I even invite them to my house.


Not me! :wink:

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This is weird.
I like black people.

I even invite them to my house.


Not me! :wink:



Too uppity.

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This is weird.
I like black people.

I even invite them to my house.


Not me! :wink:



Too uppity.

He'll buy you a drink ... it's just going to be a Heineken. :puker:

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I'm really not but something tells me that I am much more familiar and learned about this subject than you are. Care to venture an opinion on that or your experiences in black ghetto areas? You have an opinion on everything else. Let's go. Which neighborhoods have you hung out in? Chicago ghetto areas?

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I'm really not but something tells me that I am much more familiar and learned about this subject than you are.


That's very likely true. Did I imply otherwise?

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I'm really not but something tells me that I am much more familiar and learned about this subject than you are.


That's very likely true. Did I imply otherwise?

Your typically smarmy sarcastic style did it for you. Or maybe I made an incorrect inference? Wouldn't be the first time because after all you are quite the witty guy.

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This is how I'm starting to feel about BLM. I don't like how black on black crime is just shoved to the side as an issue. I'm kind of getting tired of not being able to say all lives matter. Also, the lack of real structure, and no figurehead at the top of the movement is a recipe for failure.

I understand the need for police oversight and reform.

I'm just pivoting here. How does shutting down interstate highways and throwing cinder blocks get you closer to anything except more racism? You're pushing away the moderate white people, where MLK embraced them.


The issue isn't shoved to the side. It's been one of the most popular topics for damn near 50 years. Turn on your television or open your daily paper and you'll find it. As I and MANY others have repeatedly pointed out BLM is focused on 1 issue.

You can say all lives matter but the laws that were designed to target blacks, the sentencing and the and many other things would tell you Lady Justice doesn't value the lives of blacks.

If you understand that reforms are needed you shouldn't have an issue with Americans exercising their rights in an attempt to force politicians to make the necessary changes. Yeah it may be an inconvenience to your life and MANY others but this is what it has come to. You or the people in your community haven't been living under the thumb of our justice system for decades so it hard for you to understand how desperate for change people are and how tired they are of waiting.


Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. Martin Luther King, Jr.
Even among all the injustice, he still said....


Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King, Jr.

Violence as a way of achieving racial justice is both impractical and immoral. I am not unmindful of the fact that violence often brings about momentary results. Nations have frequently won their independence in battle. But in spite of temporary victories, violence never brings permanent peace.

Nonviolence means avoiding not only external physical violence but also internal violence of spirit. You not only refuse to shoot a man, but you refuse to hate him. Martin Luther King, Jr.


Nothing moves me like quotes from the morally bankrupt charlatan MLK.


Image :roll:

Nothing will change if everyone thinks like this. Just keep going round and round passing the hate from blacks to whites to whites to blacks with the distraction of mexicans and muslim hate sprinkled in every decade.

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