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PostPosted: Wed Jul 13, 2016 8:31 pm 
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i don't fucking know but if he wins a WS, that would bump his pay considerably. ricketts must be trying to nickle and dime him. JR probably told him that GMs don't win championships, organizations win championships.

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So brick, you don't think that a GM who ends the two longest world series droughts in history would be likely to significantly increase his salary?




Interesting.

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He's waiting to see what happens with the Yankees.


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So brick, you don't think that a GM who ends the two longest world series droughts in history would be likely to significantly increase his salary?
If he is worth X if they win a World Series then he is worth X right now. You may not know this but Theo has done a pretty good job in Chicago even if they lose in the first round.

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No he is just not baseball savvy


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Why is it about Theo's salary? He is already rich.

Maybe he wants certain aspects of the team guaranteed, and the Ricketts wont do it. Payroll or long deals for pitchers or whatever. Im just speculating.

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So brick, you don't think that a GM who ends the two longest world series droughts in history would be likely to significantly increase his salary?
If he is worth X if they win a World Series then he is worth X right now. You may not know this but Theo has done a pretty good job in Chicago even if they lose in the first round.

All the more reason to play the season out and then sign a HUGE extension. You really cannot be this dumb can you?


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Why is it about Theo's salary? He is already rich.

Maybe he wants certain aspects of the team guaranteed, and the Ricketts wont do it. Payroll or long deals for pitchers or whatever. Im just speculating.

It is not about any of that. Always about $$$$$


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So brick, you don't think that a GM who ends the two longest world series droughts in history would be likely to significantly increase his salary?
If he is worth X if they win a World Series then he is worth X right now. You may not know this but Theo has done a pretty good job in Chicago even if they lose in the first round.

Yeah... no not really.
I'm pretty sure his value is higher if he wins a pennant with the Cubs than if he does not.

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Darkside wrote:
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So brick, you don't think that a GM who ends the two longest world series droughts in history would be likely to significantly increase his salary?
If he is worth X if they win a World Series then he is worth X right now. You may not know this but Theo has done a pretty good job in Chicago even if they lose in the first round.

Yeah... no not really.
I'm pretty sure his value is higher if he wins a pennant with the Cubs than if he does not.
So you don't think the playoffs are a crap shoot then?

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What does that have to do with the fact that a two time world series GM with two teams who have the longest drought will have greater value?

I'm not into these silly games, brick. Not interested in playing.

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What does that have to do with the fact that a two time world series GM with two teams who have the longest drought will have greater value?
It doesn't make sense to value Theo based on the results of the playoffs this year. It just doesn't.

If the Cubs win the World Series this year are they offering Arrieta double the money they would otherwise?

The point is that Theo should already know exactly what he deserves, and the Cubs should know exactly what they think he deserves.

Let's assume that Theo is in line for $9 million a year right now. If the Cubs win the World Series, what does that go up to? If they don't win it, what does it go down to?

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Frank Coztansa wrote:
Why is it about Theo's salary? He is already rich.

Maybe he wants certain aspects of the team guaranteed, and the Ricketts wont do it. Payroll or long deals for pitchers or whatever. Im just speculating.

I can't imagine what else needs to be guaranteed. Literally everything has been revamped and improved.

Dominican Facility
Spring Training
Wrigley Field
Clubhouse
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Improved Office Support/Functions

His own middle aged white dude rock n roll music night.

Could be a diva.


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Playoffs are less of a crapshoot if you have Manny-Ortiz batting 3-4 in your lineup.


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Theo probably wants to run the team from Boston or New York or San Diego or Phoenix.


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And don't forget that the playoffs are a crap shoot.


very rich people do not believe in crap shoots. they believe in skill.

And knowledge of the situation and market.

:lol: :lol:

Rick seems to be the only person in this thread that is even vaguely aware of market value.


His Brandon Marshall posts suck though.

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Theo probably wants to run the team from Boston or New York or San Diego or Phoenix.

Done. As long as they win repeatedly.


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Hussra wrote:
Theo probably wants to run the team from Boston or New York or San Diego or Phoenix.

Neither San Diego or Phoenix have the financial capacity to exert the Theo Plan®

He needs a sugar daddy that'll let him fail in free agency.


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It wouldn't shock me if he was waiting to see what was going on in Boston before he made a long term decision. He figures that Jed could step and do more than get him his coffee and he'd still get the credit here.


I think he is waiting to see about Hillary's VP nomination

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
It wouldn't shock me if he was waiting to see what was going on in Boston before he made a long term decision. He figures that Jed could step and do more than get him his coffee and he'd still get the credit here.


I think he is waiting to see about Hillary's VP nomination
Based on his bosses, I bet he is a Trump guy.

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the question continually gets shifted when it is brought up to the administration. I agreed that it was a non story. However, with three months left on that deal and no natural breaks in the season to sign it, this seems like more than just a matter of fixing the fine print on the contract.

It cannot be a matter of money. I think Ricketts would let him name his own price and terms. The indecision has to be on Theo's side and this kind of wavering about what seems to be a no brainer decision does not bode well.

Yes, I am concerned.

And I sincerely hope that the Ricketts' aren't low-balling Theo, but of course nothing is beyond the realm of possibilities.


Come on, Matches.


No, come on leash (and Eileen)! I could go to any Cubs board and read a post with this discussion. This gets brought up by the beat writers every few weeks.

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the question continually gets shifted when it is brought up to the administration. I agreed that it was a non story. However, with three months left on that deal and no natural breaks in the season to sign it, this seems like more than just a matter of fixing the fine print on the contract.

It cannot be a matter of money. I think Ricketts would let him name his own price and terms. The indecision has to be on Theo's side and this kind of wavering about what seems to be a no brainer decision does not bode well.


Would you be happy if the White Sox hired Theo?


Sure. He seems like a fan friendly GM who has had some successes.

Reinsdorf doesn't hire that type.

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He's probably not signed yet because if the Cubs God forbid win a pennant his price doubles what it would have been in March.

Darko gets it. Why would Theo sign now? HE IS SMART.


of course it doesn't

I think he is held in the highest esteem by the Ricketts. It doesn't go higher if his team succeeds. It's already there.

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So brick, you don't think that a GM who ends the two longest world series droughts in history would be likely to significantly increase his salary?




Interesting.


He already did that.

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What does that have to do with the fact that a two time world series GM with two teams who have the longest drought will have greater value?

I'm not into these silly games, brick. Not interested in playing.


The team he put together is the team he put together whether they lose a WS this year or not. Theo ain't pitching in a Game 7. He has some work to do in FA but essentially, he has already completed what any smart owner would base his decision upon.

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Probably has to do with wanting a percentage of ownership.

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Probably has to do with wanting a percentage of ownership.


I could see Theo being able to put together an ownership group of a team with him being the chief executive, much like Reinsdorf did with the Sox

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I'd be surprised if he actually left, but you have to admit that possibility grows every day he doesn't sign an extension. My best guess is things aren't necessarily hunky dory in that organization, despite what the bought-and-paid-for media in this town says.

Maddon is an egomaniac more concerned with his media persona than anything else. Ricketts is a rich kid who bought an MLB team with daddy's money. Crane Kenney is...Crane Kenney. The teams two biggest stars are a clear steroid user and closeted gay kid forced into a sham wedding for optics. Winning keeps people from asking questions, and the inexplicable blind optimism bred by getting historically spanked by the Mets last year was lauded by the fawning local press. But this year has to be different after the start they had. Why stick around for that?


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I'd be surprised if he actually left, but you have to admit that possibility grows every day he doesn't sign an extension. My best guess is things aren't necessarily hunky dory in that organization, despite what the bought-and-paid-for media in this town says.

Maddon is an egomaniac more concerned with his media persona than anything else. Ricketts is a rich kid who bought an MLB team with daddy's money. Crane Kenney is...Crane Kenney. The teams two biggest stars are a clear steroid user and closeted gay kid forced into a sham wedding for optics. Winning keeps people from asking questions, and the inexplicable blind optimism bred by getting historically spanked by the Mets last year was lauded by the fawning local press. But this year has to be different after the start they had. Why stick around for that?


:lol: :lol:

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My Cubs contact says that marginally over the winter the org (Ricketts) was dragging their feet. Now it is Theo holding things up. Seems like Theo wants ALL his guys taken care of before he reups.

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