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you been to Fresno? nobody wants to go to Fresno ever.

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you been to Fresno? nobody wants to go to Fresno ever.

The Bulldogs used to have a hell of a football team.

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Protesting right now.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/fresnobee.relaymedia.com/amp/news/local/article89398842.html?client=safari#

Btw... Was it Fresno or Bakersfield where those cops were straight up stalking that guy who was speaking out about them earlier this year?

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Damn... Reminds me of the interview I saw way back when with Stephon Marbury. When he played in PHX he would get pulled over all the time driving his Mercedes. The white cops would walk up to the window, see it was him, say sorry and drive off.

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I thought this was a good read: http://time.com/4404987/police-violence/

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The officer should be fired immediately and possibly prosecuted. Fortunately the worker and the kid are still alive.

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The officer should be fired immediately and possibly prosecuted. Fortunately the worker and the kid are still alive.

https://youtu.be/084HEhd-rJ4

https://www.yahoo.com/news/latest-state ... 59217.html


At least this guy didn't get killed.

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Nas wrote:
The officer should be fired immediately and possibly prosecuted. Fortunately the worker and the kid are still alive.

https://youtu.be/084HEhd-rJ4

https://www.yahoo.com/news/latest-state ... 59217.html


At least this guy didn't get killed.


Agreed. The patient was fortunate too.

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The officer should be fired immediately and possibly prosecuted. Fortunately the worker and the kid are still alive.

https://youtu.be/084HEhd-rJ4

https://www.yahoo.com/news/latest-state ... 59217.html

Saw the interview from his hospital bed today on WGN. 'Appalling' barely begins to cover it.

It doesn't justify it of course, but if one sees things like that and then wonder why MANY distrust the police and why a misguided handful of folks wish to visit similar injury upon same, then one is almost certainly pretty friggin' thick to begin with.

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These motherfuckers are all trigger happy. It's the "us vs. them" mentality that really can't be escaped. I have a friend who is a cop. He was always a regular guy. When he first got the job he was reasonable. This is a guy I've gotten high with, just a normal person. But twenty years on the force and working in an echo chamber with other cops, he's different. He does see himself and his fellow officers as poor victims at war with a public that doesn't understand their lives.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
These motherfuckers are all trigger happy. It's the "us vs. them" mentality that really can't be escaped. I have a friend who is a cop. He was always a regular guy. When he first got the job he was reasonable. This is a guy I've gotten high with, just a normal person. But twenty years on the force and working in an echo chamber with other cops, he's different. He does see himself and his fellow officers as poor victims at war with a public that doesn't understand their lives.


Yeah. You nailed it. I don't think they care the race of the person they are shooting. Cops are a brotherhood. The rest of the world can burn.

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These motherfuckers are all trigger happy. It's the "us vs. them" mentality that really can't be escaped. I have a friend who is a cop. He was always a regular guy. When he first got the job he was reasonable. This is a guy I've gotten high with, just a normal person. But twenty years on the force and working in an echo chamber with other cops, he's different. He does see himself and his fellow officers as poor victims at war with a public that doesn't understand their lives.


Yeah. You nailed it. I don't think they care the race of the person they are shooting. Cops are a brotherhood. The rest of the world can burn.


Generally agree but I think race plays a role too. Reading good dolphin's story from last week I don't think it's unreasonable assume that the cop fucked with him because he was white. You also hear liberal and conservative blacks tell very similar stories about their encounters with the police.

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WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
These motherfuckers are all trigger happy. It's the "us vs. them" mentality that really can't be escaped. I have a friend who is a cop. He was always a regular guy. When he first got the job he was reasonable. This is a guy I've gotten high with, just a normal person. But twenty years on the force and working in an echo chamber with other cops, he's different. He does see himself and his fellow officers as poor victims at war with a public that doesn't understand their lives.


Yeah. You nailed it. I don't think they care the race of the person they are shooting. Cops are a brotherhood. The rest of the world can burn.


You see this in other jobs that require ultimate trust in co workers.

The job takes its toll. Their families aren't even included in the circle. They don't seem to understand that every job takes its toll: coal miners get black lung, football players get CTE, etc.

I think Joe is going a bit too far with saying they think of themselves as poor victims but I would agree with the rest.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
These motherfuckers are all trigger happy. It's the "us vs. them" mentality that really can't be escaped. I have a friend who is a cop. He was always a regular guy. When he first got the job he was reasonable. This is a guy I've gotten high with, just a normal person. But twenty years on the force and working in an echo chamber with other cops, he's different. He does see himself and his fellow officers as poor victims at war with a public that doesn't understand their lives.


Yeah. You nailed it. I don't think they care the race of the person they are shooting. Cops are a brotherhood. The rest of the world can burn.


You see this in other jobs that require ultimate trust in co workers.

The job takes its toll. Their families aren't even included in the circle. They don't seem to understand that every job takes its toll: coal miners get black lung, football players get CTE, etc.

I think Joe is going a bit too far with saying they think of themselves as poor victims but I would agree with the rest.


I think America is currently a general culture of victimhood. And every time Dean Angelo speaks he suggests the cops are victims.

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Nas wrote:
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These motherfuckers are all trigger happy. It's the "us vs. them" mentality that really can't be escaped. I have a friend who is a cop. He was always a regular guy. When he first got the job he was reasonable. This is a guy I've gotten high with, just a normal person. But twenty years on the force and working in an echo chamber with other cops, he's different. He does see himself and his fellow officers as poor victims at war with a public that doesn't understand their lives.


Yeah. You nailed it. I don't think they care the race of the person they are shooting. Cops are a brotherhood. The rest of the world can burn.


Generally agree but I think race plays a role too. Reading good dolphin's story from last week I don't think it's unreasonable assume that the cop fucked with him because he was white. You also hear liberal and conservative blacks tell very similar stories about their encounters with the police.


I think race plays a role in messing with the suspect. Pulling people over, and questioning them. Also, think that appearance and neighborhood play a big part.

For the shootings, I don't believe it's that thought out. It seems more like it's a trained reaction to lash out if they ever feel threatened. The study by the Harvard professor seemed to confirm it. You would have to be racist beyond self-preservation to randomly pick out black people to shoot.

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These motherfuckers are all trigger happy. It's the "us vs. them" mentality that really can't be escaped. I have a friend who is a cop. He was always a regular guy. When he first got the job he was reasonable. This is a guy I've gotten high with, just a normal person. But twenty years on the force and working in an echo chamber with other cops, he's different. He does see himself and his fellow officers as poor victims at war with a public that doesn't understand their lives.


Yeah. You nailed it. I don't think they care the race of the person they are shooting. Cops are a brotherhood. The rest of the world can burn.


Generally agree but I think race plays a role too. Reading good dolphin's story from last week I don't think it's unreasonable assume that the cop fucked with him because he was white. You also hear liberal and conservative blacks tell very similar stories about their encounters with the police.


I think race plays a role in messing with the suspect. Pulling people over, and questioning them. Also, think that appearance and neighborhood play a big part.

For the shootings, I don't believe it's that thought out. It seems more like it's a trained reaction to lash out if they ever feel threatened. The study by the Harvard professor seemed to confirm it. You would have to be racist beyond self-preservation to randomly pick out black people to shoot.


I think a lot of times cops stop looking at people from poorer communities as people. Black cops are probably just as bad or worse when it comes to this. When you don't believe they are like you it becomes easier to pull the trigger.

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This is what I was talking about.

AUSTIN, Texas (AP) — Patrol car video publicly released Thursday shows a white Austin, Texas, police officer violently throwing a black woman to the ground during a traffic stop, followed by another white officer telling her black people have “violent tendencies” and whites are justifiably afraid.


Austin Police Chief Art Acevedo condemned both officers’ actions. He called the officer’s comments on the video “disturbing” and said a criminal investigation has been opened against the officer who arrested Breaion King.

The traffic stop happened in June 2015 but was not made public until the Austin American-Statesman published the video Thursday. Acevedo called a news conference hours later and said both officers have been taken off street patrol and are on desk duty pending new internal investigations, which he said will include both officers’ conduct in the year since the incident.

The video is surfacing amid heightened nationwide tension over police treatment of black people.

“For those that think life is perfect for people of color, I want you to listen to that conversation and tell me we don’t have social issues in this nation,” said Acevedo, who is Hispanic. “Issues of bias. Issues of racism. Issues of people being looked at different because of their color.”

In one of two videos, Officer Patrick Spradlin is heard talking to King, who was pulled over for speeding, about race while driving her to jail.

“Why are so many people afraid of black people?” Spradlin asks.

King replies that she is also trying to figure that out.

“I can give you a really good idea why it might be that way,” he said. “Violent tendencies.”

Spradlin goes on to say that “I don’t blame” white people for being afraid because of violence in the black community. “Some of them, because of their appearance and whatnot, some of them are very intimidating,” he says.

The newspaper identified King as an elementary school teacher. Her attorney did not immediately return a message seeking comment.

In this July 19, 2016 photo, Breaion King is overcome with emotion as she describes being pulled from her car and thrown to the ground by an Austin police officer during a traffic stop in 2015, during an interview held at her attorney, Erica Grigg's office in Austin, Texas. Patrol car video publicly released Thursday, July 21, 2016, shows a white Austin, Texas, police officer violently throwing King to the ground during a traffic stop, followed by another white officer telling her black people have
Acevedo said that King did not file a complaint after the arrest and that he did not know about the traffic stop until this week, saying his subordinates should have previously alerted him to the video.

King told the newspaper the encounter changed how she views police. Acevedo said she was pulled over for driving 15 mph over the speed limit when Officer Bryan Richter ordered her out of the car. The video shows him nearly throwing her into an adjacent truck while trying to place her under arrest in a Wendy’s parking lot.

“I’ve become fearful to live my life,” King told the newspaper. “I would rather stay home. I’ve become afraid of the people who are supposed to protect me and take care of me.”

Richter can be heard in the video ordering King to “stop resisting” as he orders her out of the car. The angle of the video doesn’t fully show King while she is inside the car.

Richter orders King to put her hands behind her back while the two struggle on the ground.

Richter has been a police officer since 2010 and Spradlin since 2001, according to Austin police. Listed phone numbers for the officers could not immediately be found.

Acevedo said he reviewed the video Wednesday with black community leaders for nearly 3 ½ hours. He said they included Fatima Mann, an activist with the Austin Justice Coalition, who told reporters outside the police station that she didn’t understand how no one in the department had previously raised concerns about the video.

“If that was a white woman, would he have yanked her out … and slammed her on the ground? Most of us could say absolutely not,” Mann said. “But for reason, for some strange reason, when people look like me, we’re more of a threat, and that means we get treated and thrown around as if we don’t matter.”

The Austin police union said in a statement that it understands the public’s reaction to Richter’s response and that Spradlin’s comments were “wrong and not reflective of the values and beliefs of the men and women who serve this community.”

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Last week I saw a video of BLM in Chicago blocking an ambulance with a patient inside, and now the proclaimed "leaders" of this movement can't see how even the smallest step is the proper move in the right direction. I'm done with these black panther wannabes. The cause is just, but the leadership is a joke and needs serious evaluation.

http://www.kwch.com/content/news/National-Black-Lives-Matter-organization-says-it-does-not-support-First-Step-Barbecue-387989542.html

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Affirmative action was reparations. Black history month and cultural sensitivity training are reparations.
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Last week I saw a video of BLM in Chicago blocking an ambulance with a patient inside, and now the proclaimed "leaders" of this movement can't see how even the smallest step is the proper move in the right direction. I'm done with these black panther wannabes. The cause is just, but the leadership is a joke and needs serious evaluation.

http://www.kwch.com/content/news/National-Black-Lives-Matter-organization-says-it-does-not-support-First-Step-Barbecue-387989542.html


This is absurb. They are now critical of people who seek to have a positive relationship with police officers.

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BLM needs better organization and a clear consistent message (that doesn't include "dead cops now" chants


Cops need better training. Many seem woefully unprepared for dangerous situations they find themselves in


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Cops need better training. Many seem woefully unprepared for dangerous situations they find themselves in
I don't know if better training is going to solve it for the cops. Sure it will help, but there are a lot of stupid people who become cops. We saw a shining example of that on the board here. Perhaps police departments needs to start selecting smarter people to become cops. Some of the guys & gals with the "2.0 GPA" might not be able to grasp the concept of training and/or process it in a high stress situation.

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Cops need better training. Many seem woefully unprepared for dangerous situations they find themselves in


I don't think that they want leadership. If there aren't any leaders then it will be difficult to hold anyone accountable.

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Yeah, I don't think BLM really has any leaders. They're a "non-team" like the Defenders. It's more of an idea than an organization. That's why it's so easy for them to lose focus.

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Yeah, I don't think BLM really has any leaders. They're a "non-team" like the Defenders. It's more of an idea than an organization. That's why it's so easy for them to lose focus.



For a member of the movement to criticize the police and the community for attempting to provide solutions is stupid and the person that made the statement should be banished. There isn't a downside in having the community work with local law enforcement. It should be encouraged. The fact that this guy decides discourage it suggests quite a bit about the movement.

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Yeah, I don't think BLM really has any leaders. They're a "non-team" like the Defenders. It's more of an idea than an organization. That's why it's so easy for them to lose focus.
This is the problem with the new wave of protests. You need leadership and vision. BLM is fading away just like "Occupy Wall Street" did(I know, OWS made a difference and became big in the Bernie campaign before he flamed out too but whatever).

It's just feel good "everyone has a voice that matters" equally stuff.

You want real change. Have a leader who can make strong, concise, and simple to understand demands that most will eventually agree with. Everyone thought I hated Occupy Wall Street just because I said they were pretty much pointless and not going to get anything done because they were just as concerned about student loan forgiveness as they were Wall Street corruption. This is the same thing.

BLM should have one goal, and that is to get the justice system to try and convict cops who wrongfully kill black men(and by extension, other races). That is an achievable and noble goal that most will agree with.

You'd think in the era of social media that another true leader to unite everyone in a common goal would be fairly achievable but maybe it drowns them out with a million voices who can all create youtube videos too.

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