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Yeah, I just remembered George W Bush was president. Ignore my last post.

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I know Hillary can't choose him for her VP but just make 2016 full on stupid and send Bill out there to go up against Newt at the Vice Presidential debate.


Actually, I think Bill could run as Vice President. The 22nd Amendment reads as follows: "No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of President more than once." He wouldn't be elected to the office of President.

12th Amendment:

The Electors shall meet in their respective states, and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves; they shall name in their ballots the person voted for as President, and in distinct ballots the person voted for as Vice-President, and they shall make distinct lists of all persons voted for as President, and all persons voted for as Vice-President and of the number of votes for each, which lists they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the seat of the government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate.

The President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted.

The person having the greatest Number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed; and if no person have such majority, then from the persons having the highest numbers not exceeding three on the list of those voted for as President, the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President. But in choosing the President, the votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote; a quorum for this purpose shall consist of a member or members from two-thirds of the states, and a majority of all the states shall be necessary to a choice. And if the House of Representatives shall not choose a President whenever the right of choice shall devolve upon them, before the fourth day of March next following, then the Vice-President shall act as President, as in the case of the death or other constitutional disability of the President.[Note 1]

The person having the greatest number of votes as Vice-President, shall be the Vice-President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed, and if no person have a majority, then from the two highest numbers on the list, the Senate shall choose the Vice-President; a quorum for the purpose shall consist of two-thirds of the whole number of Senators, and a majority of the whole number shall be necessary to a choice. But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.

That last sentence poses a problem for Bill.


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I know Hillary can't choose him for her VP but just make 2016 full on stupid and send Bill out there to go up against Newt at the Vice Presidential debate.


Actually, I think Bill could run as Vice President. The 22nd Amendment reads as follows: "No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of President more than once." He wouldn't be elected to the office of President.

12th Amendment:

The Electors shall meet in their respective states, and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves; they shall name in their ballots the person voted for as President, and in distinct ballots the person voted for as Vice-President, and they shall make distinct lists of all persons voted for as President, and all persons voted for as Vice-President and of the number of votes for each, which lists they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the seat of the government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate.

The President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted.

The person having the greatest Number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed; and if no person have such majority, then from the persons having the highest numbers not exceeding three on the list of those voted for as President, the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President. But in choosing the President, the votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote; a quorum for this purpose shall consist of a member or members from two-thirds of the states, and a majority of all the states shall be necessary to a choice. And if the House of Representatives shall not choose a President whenever the right of choice shall devolve upon them, before the fourth day of March next following, then the Vice-President shall act as President, as in the case of the death or other constitutional disability of the President.[Note 1]

The person having the greatest number of votes as Vice-President, shall be the Vice-President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed, and if no person have a majority, then from the two highest numbers on the list, the Senate shall choose the Vice-President; a quorum for the purpose shall consist of two-thirds of the whole number of Senators, and a majority of the whole number shall be necessary to a choice. But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.

That last sentence poses a problem for Bill.


So does the first.

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Regular Reader wrote:
lipidquadcab wrote:
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lipidquadcab wrote:
I know Hillary can't choose him for her VP but just make 2016 full on stupid and send Bill out there to go up against Newt at the Vice Presidential debate.


Actually, I think Bill could run as Vice President. The 22nd Amendment reads as follows: "No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of President more than once." He wouldn't be elected to the office of President.

12th Amendment:

The Electors shall meet in their respective states, and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves; they shall name in their ballots the person voted for as President, and in distinct ballots the person voted for as Vice-President, and they shall make distinct lists of all persons voted for as President, and all persons voted for as Vice-President and of the number of votes for each, which lists they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the seat of the government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate.

The President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted.

The person having the greatest Number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed; and if no person have such majority, then from the persons having the highest numbers not exceeding three on the list of those voted for as President, the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President. But in choosing the President, the votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote; a quorum for this purpose shall consist of a member or members from two-thirds of the states, and a majority of all the states shall be necessary to a choice. And if the House of Representatives shall not choose a President whenever the right of choice shall devolve upon them, before the fourth day of March next following, then the Vice-President shall act as President, as in the case of the death or other constitutional disability of the President.[Note 1]

The person having the greatest number of votes as Vice-President, shall be the Vice-President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed, and if no person have a majority, then from the two highest numbers on the list, the Senate shall choose the Vice-President; a quorum for the purpose shall consist of two-thirds of the whole number of Senators, and a majority of the whole number shall be necessary to a choice. But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.

That last sentence poses a problem for Bill.


So does the first.

Not really...Bill could just list his residence as Arkansas. Bush/Cheney both were from Texas but Cheney listed his residence as Wyoming I believe.


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Not really...Bill could just list his residence as Arkansas. Bush/Cheney both were from Texas but Cheney listed his residence as Wyoming I believe.


Their joint IRS filings would eliminate that option. IIRC, Cheney went for the long con and took care of that before he even headed up Bush's VP "search". :lol:

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lipidquadcab wrote:
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lipidquadcab wrote:
I know Hillary can't choose him for her VP but just make 2016 full on stupid and send Bill out there to go up against Newt at the Vice Presidential debate.


Actually, I think Bill could run as Vice President. The 22nd Amendment reads as follows: "No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of President more than once." He wouldn't be elected to the office of President.

12th Amendment:

The Electors shall meet in their respective states, and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves; they shall name in their ballots the person voted for as President, and in distinct ballots the person voted for as Vice-President, and they shall make distinct lists of all persons voted for as President, and all persons voted for as Vice-President and of the number of votes for each, which lists they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the seat of the government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate.

The President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted.

The person having the greatest Number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed; and if no person have such majority, then from the persons having the highest numbers not exceeding three on the list of those voted for as President, the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President. But in choosing the President, the votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote; a quorum for this purpose shall consist of a member or members from two-thirds of the states, and a majority of all the states shall be necessary to a choice. And if the House of Representatives shall not choose a President whenever the right of choice shall devolve upon them, before the fourth day of March next following, then the Vice-President shall act as President, as in the case of the death or other constitutional disability of the President.[Note 1]

The person having the greatest number of votes as Vice-President, shall be the Vice-President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed, and if no person have a majority, then from the two highest numbers on the list, the Senate shall choose the Vice-President; a quorum for the purpose shall consist of two-thirds of the whole number of Senators, and a majority of the whole number shall be necessary to a choice. But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.

That last sentence poses a problem for Bill.


So does the first.

Actually they can both be from the same state. It's just that only one can receive electoral votes from their home state. Thus assuming Hillary and Bill both are legally residents of NY, then only Hillary or Bill could get the 29 votes if it goes blue.

In the case of Bush and Cheney, if Cheney had been deemed to be from Texas he would not have won enough electoral votes. At that point it goes to the Senate or House to pick either the Pres or VP depending upon whom the electoral college awards the home votes.

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Gingrich is 73 and holds no office or has any apparent plan to try to do so, has a reputation as an "outsider" (for an insider).

It's funny how concerns about age seem to have gone away. In the past a guy Trumps age (70) couldnt even consider picking a 73 yr old for VP. As recently as McCain this was brought up. Maybe it's just that this whole election cycle has been so crazy that age is too far down the list to be discussed.


Yeah, this year there's less concern, but I've always found it weird that the candidates for president are so old. Beyond just the health/death thing, there's no way someone at that age is as sharp as someone who is 40 or 50. I suppose they have more life experience, but there has to be some diminishing returns there. You'd think we would want a president to be in his peak intellectual years.


I wouldn't be surprised if the stress gets to Strokey Hillary and she knocks off before four years are up, let alone eight. Makes the case for a "lively" VP like Cory Booker, though one can argue Cory Booker has been dead inside for years.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2016 7:57 pm 
Sounding like it's Pence.


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Sounding like it's Pence.


My sources tell me it's the military guy.

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I think the absurdity of Newt Gingrich would make for a fun fall.

That would be yet another republican VP choice that makes the P candidate less electable

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Gotta put those 11 electoral votes from Indiana on lock. :lol:


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Sounding like it's Pence.


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Maybe this asshole from Indiana can spell potatoe :lol:

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Gingrich is 73 and holds no office or has any apparent plan to try to do so, has a reputation as an "outsider" (for an insider).

It's funny how concerns about age seem to have gone away. In the past a guy Trumps age (70) couldnt even consider picking a 73 yr old for VP. As recently as McCain this was brought up. Maybe it's just that this whole election cycle has been so crazy that age is too far down the list to be discussed.


I think the fact that Hillary is running has taken any questions about age off the table. It wouldn't play well to make an issue of a woman's age.

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Did anyone happen to watch the 60 Minutes interview?

I guess that is what it is like to be one of Trump's children

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Did anyone happen to watch the 60 Minutes interview?

I guess that is what it is like to be one of Trump's children

Donald Trump: You know-- the Constitution -- there's nothing like it. But it doesn't necessarily give us the right to commit suicide, as a country, OK? And I'll tell you this. Call it whatever you want, change territories, but there are territories and terror states and terror nations that we're not gonna allow the people to come into our country. And we're gonna have a thing called "Extreme vetting." And if people wanna come in, there's gonna be extreme vetting. We're gonna have extreme vetting. They're gonna come in and we're gonna know where they came from and who they are.

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Mike Pence: --and I am. What-- what Donald--

Lesley Stahl: You're on the same--

Mike Pence: Which--

Lesley Stahl: --page on that?

Mike Pence: --clearly-- clearly this man is not a politician. He doesn't speak like a politician--

Lesley Stahl: He's done pretty well.

Mike Pence: --he-- he speaks from his--

Mike Pence: --heart--

Donald Trump: Is that a good thing? I think that's a good thing.

Mike Pence: --he speaks from his heart. And--

Lesley Stahl: Well, I--

Donald Trump: Well, I-- I speak from my heart and my brain. Just so we understand.

Mike Pence: Right.

Donald Trump: This is (points to head) maybe more important.

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