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It's difficult to stay objective, and not resort to knee jerk reactions with this one. I'm no atheist, but do we really need religion if this is how extreme it can become? Is religion blocking the world from truly taking a step forward in evolution and prosperity?



How quickly we forget the 100M or so wiped out by atheist governments in the 20th century.

I'm no atheist, so idk about that. Sorry to ruffle your feathers.

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It's difficult to stay objective, and not resort to knee jerk reactions with this one. I'm no atheist, but do we really need religion if this is how extreme it can become? Is religion blocking the world from truly taking a step forward in evolution and prosperity?



How quickly we forget the 100M or so wiped out by atheist governments in the 20th century.

I'm no atheist, so idk about that. Sorry to ruffle your feathers.


My feathers are ruffled by the loss of innocent life.

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was the truck standard or full automatic?

Not sure if serious, but it was a semi-tractor/trailer.

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Newt Gingrich: 'We should...test every person here who is of a Muslim background and if they believe in shariah they should be deported' - Fox News

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Newt Gingrich: 'We should...test every person here who is of a Muslim background and if they believe in shariah they should be deported' - Fox News

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Ah... Fuck.

Sharia law is mucho no bueno tho.

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It's difficult to stay objective, and not resort to knee jerk reactions with this one. I'm no atheist, but do we really need religion if this is how extreme it can become? Is religion blocking the world from truly taking a step forward in evolution and prosperity?



How quickly we forget the 100M or so wiped out by atheist governments in the 20th century.

I'm no atheist, so idk about that. Sorry to ruffle your feathers.


My feathers are ruffled by the loss of innocent life.

So you were referencing predominantly the soviet communists of the 20th century? I mean, would a religion-less capitalist system really devolve into that? Seems like a stretch.

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Newt Gingrich: 'We should...test every person here who is of a Muslim background and if they believe in shariah they should be deported' - Fox News

Completely normal.


basically i just tell myself that all this high-level terrorism stuff isn't just above my paygrade but also above the rank-n-file muslims' paygrade as well, so it's likely part of some bigger-picture thing meant to fortify [whatever social statuses/situations] that are requisite for the further militarization of the police (re: increasing social tension on multiple fronts so people either "feel like they need" or simply just "accept" additional security/lockdown measures over time) whether it's a strictly $$$PROPHET$$$ motive or whether it's some kind of relatively-laid-back power grab in the bigger picture.

...and obviously i don't think you're gonna partake in the legit insanity of doing some kind of "super background check" for people who are already here because that would be some kind of guinness book of world records level of uncouth. maybe you end up doing some sort of "stringent background checks" for future immigrants (especially[/only?] if you get a right-winger in office) but yeah i mean, it'd be some kind of a cosmic-level of "dick move" to fuck with people who are already here and doing their own personal rendition of "the american dream" --- let's not give 'em a wakeup call, eh?

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Jbi11s wrote:
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Newt Gingrich: 'We should...test every person here who is of a Muslim background and if they believe in shariah they should be deported' - Fox News

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Ah... Fuck.

Sharia law is mucho no bueno tho.

Well, yeah .... but that's immaterial as to why this sociopath and those like him should be kept far away from any decision making of any import or reach.

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And to think I was feeling Newt after he said some decent things when the Dallas shooting happened.

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<facebook filter stuff>

You are right on the money with that one. It is always bizarre to me how things are determined to be worthy of Facebook observences vs other things that aren't... and they always seem to be sudden things; if starvation is wiping out 50 people a day in a country, that doesn't qualify for Facebook. The 50 people need to have been shot or something. I also agree to a large extent with whoever on the board said sending thoughts and prayers is as useful as taking a dump in your toilet in their memory. It doesn't affect change in any way. I caught the first part of Obama's town hall and he brought up the point that we don't care about this stuff until after something happens -- but that's maybe the worst time to take action; everyone is so amped up emotionally that they aren't making good decisions. We need to take steps prior to things like this happening to stop them, but what should those steps be?

Regarding this incident, I really don't know what steps you can do. I'm sure we'll find more out about the motivation, but obviously you can't ban trucks. Banning public gatherings also seems ridiculous. All I can think of is preventative type stuff -- was there a way to reach the person before they decided this was the way to go? If it was indeed religiously motivated, is there really any way to stop factions from planning and executing this type of thing 100% of the time?

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French President said he's sending the military reserves to monitor the borders where refugees are crossing, and other sensitive sites.

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is there really any way to stop factions from planning and executing this type of thing 100% of the time?


earlier in the thread i made a sarcastic-as-hell post about how we should try submitting to the will of allah and giving the one true caliphate to rule the world a go, seeing how on the surface it'd ostensibly give "them" what they want.

but then of course i reckon if you dig deeper into this stuff there's shia vs sunni or something and giving one "group" or "branch" of muslims control over "the first great and bountiful human caliphate" (where's beebo to get the dr. who reference here? =) prolly means the other gets super pissed off and then they start cooking up some ideas of how to fight back and get what THEY want (and go figure they might use pressure cookers to do this, eh? =)

but yeah man.... idk what to say. in the end you just kinda hope that your conspiratard theory that terrorism = legit #NotAllMuslims because it's some high/er level "false flaggy" shit is true, cuz otherwise..... man. personally i guess i could always take a little respite in the whole concept of "don't shit where you eat" in the present, but then you worry about some REAL HARDCORE shit going down and reprisals coming in the form of pissed-off-non-muslims looking to do the same thing...

...fortunately i wouldn't be surprised if many/most/maybe-even-all "white nationalist" and/or "militia" groups who could theoretically "Strike back" at these ppl are all alphabet-soup-created/driven honeypots looking to sucker in some idiots for an easy trapping?

TLDR = all this shit is truly above my paygrade!

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I have no idea what the numbers are, it'd be cool if a benevolent Google guy like Rick would look them up, but weren't we getting fucked up by terrorist bombs and shit at a way higher rate back in the 70's in terms of overall terrorism and bombings and shit be it domestic or foreign? Not to say that any current fear is unfounded, just that we should maybe get some statistical perspective even in light of these seemingly increasing fucking things. But yeah, I adjusted the title of this just so chas and me and all of us can agree there are more important things to focus on than what we call the enemy.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 15, 2016 5:40 am 
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Oh I'm sorry. I thought all lives mattered. Just French ones right now?

One wonders how closed-off you 'circle' of people you exist within is that, somehow or another, you got this idea that you're particularly clever.

Certainly not one where I give a rats ass if you think I am or not.


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BM, let's try to stay away from the political trolling for one night.

so you actually believed PM's backpedal? That's sweet.


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BM, let's try to stay away from the political trolling for one night.

so you actually believed PM's backpedal? That's sweet.


Why don't you just shut the fuck up, psycho.

You just can't help yourself.


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BM, let's try to stay away from the political trolling for one night.

so you actually believed PM's backpedal? That's sweet.

Honestly, idk what you're talking about. I barely have enough time outside of work to focus on my life, let alone the Internet persona of every poster.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 15, 2016 6:20 am 
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BM, let's try to stay away from the political trolling for one night.

so you actually believed PM's backpedal? That's sweet.


Why don't you just shut the fuck up, psycho.

You just can't help yourself.

Morning SomeGuy. How are you?


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Mcnown, you should never cry about being picked on. You do nothing but start shit.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 15, 2016 6:27 am 
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Mcnown, you should never cry about being picked on. You do nothing but start shit.

And there's the third of the stooges.


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Don Tiny wrote:
Newt Gingrich: 'We should...test every person here who is of a Muslim background and if they believe in shariah they should be deported' - Fox News

Completely normal.


Obviously not something that is possible, and even if it were, it's antithetical to American values. Anyway, beliefs aren't a problem until they drive actions. But I do think it doesn't serve any of us to dance around the obvious problem. These are horrible beliefs and they need to be marginalized. If a guy hated black people even though he never attacked one, you wouldn't be standing up for his right to hold that belief, even if, as an American you acknowledge he has a right to hold such a reprehensible belief.

Islam is not some benign belief system that can fit in seamlessly with Western values.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkEo4D9alhY

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Don Tiny wrote:
Newt Gingrich: 'We should...test every person here who is of a Muslim background and if they believe in shariah they should be deported' - Fox News

Completely normal.


Obviously not something that is possible, and even if it were, it's antithetical to American values. Anyway, beliefs aren't a problem until they drive actions. But I do think it doesn't serve any of us to dance around the obvious problem. These are horrible beliefs and they need to be marginalized. If a guy hated black people even though he never attacked one, you wouldn't be standing up for his right to hold that belief, even if, as an American you acknowledge he has a right to hold such a reprehensible belief.

Islam is not some benign belief system that can fit in seamlessly with Western values.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkEo4D9alhY


Religion has nothing to do with it. He was a lone wolf who felt marginalized, France is still too French and his government transfer payment was late.


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Don Tiny wrote:
Newt Gingrich: 'We should...test every person here who is of a Muslim background and if they believe in shariah they should be deported' - Fox News

Completely normal.


Obviously not something that is possible, and even if it were, it's antithetical to American values. Anyway, beliefs aren't a problem until they drive actions. But I do think it doesn't serve any of us to dance around the obvious problem. These are horrible beliefs and they need to be marginalized. If a guy hated black people even though he never attacked one, you wouldn't be standing up for his right to hold that belief, even if, as an American you acknowledge he has a right to hold such a reprehensible belief.

Islam is not some benign belief system that can fit in seamlessly with Western values.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkEo4D9alhY


Religion has nothing to do with it. He was a lone wolf who felt marginalized, France is still too French and his government transfer payment was late.


It is incredible what beliefs you can get away with as long as they were "divinely" inspired.

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It's difficult to stay objective, and not resort to knee jerk reactions with this one. I'm no atheist, but do we really need religion if this is how extreme it can become? Is religion blocking the world from truly taking a step forward in evolution and prosperity?



How quickly we forget the 100M or so wiped out by atheist governments in the 20th century.


The "atheist" governments that worshiped the leaders like a god?

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Don Tiny wrote:
Newt Gingrich: 'We should...test every person here who is of a Muslim background and if they believe in shariah they should be deported' - Fox News

Completely normal.


Obviously not something that is possible, and even if it were, it's antithetical to American values. Anyway, beliefs aren't a problem until they drive actions. But I do think it doesn't serve any of us to dance around the obvious problem. These are horrible beliefs and they need to be marginalized. If a guy hated black people even though he never attacked one, you wouldn't be standing up for his right to hold that belief, even if, as an American you acknowledge he has a right to hold such a reprehensible belief.

Islam is not some benign belief system that can fit in seamlessly with Western values.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkEo4D9alhY


Religion has nothing to do with it. He was a lone wolf who felt marginalized, France is still too French and his government transfer payment was late.


It is incredible what beliefs you can get away with as long as they were "divinely" inspired.


The beta-French will go with the narrative of "Bastille Day is harmful to our Muslim friends and offends them, it brings up awful memories of our deeply shameful past. It's our fault. This man was a true martyr. We will now replace Bastille Day with Killing Infidel Days which will run from the month of January until December . Praise Allah."


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The beta-French will go with the narrative of "Bastille Day is harmful to our Muslim friends and offends them, it brings up awful memories of our deeply shameful past. It's our fault. This man was a true martyr. We will now replace Bastille Day with Killing Infidel Days which will run from the month of January until December . Praise Allah."


I would not be the slightest bit surprised at this point if there are people who actually think that. The guy driving the truck was just trying to create a safe space for himself.


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Granted, I'm not naive enough to dismiss the 60 or 70 years of 'tinkering' the U.S. has been doing in the Middle East. Blowback is a bitch.


That would be a better theory if Muslims weren't suicide bombing in Bangladesh, Turkey, Syria, etc.

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Fuck France, they continue to get what they deserve.

You can't embrace anti-semetism and terrorism one day and then cry about it when it literally blows up in your face the next.

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