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anyone has the right to have a child and send them to public school. just certain privileged are granted a better education for some reason.

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Jones is pretty solid too. City has also invested a lot into Jones. They have a state of the art facility too.


You are correct on Jones. I forgot about them. It has turned into the school of choice for South Loop Parents. When I was in high school it was an alternative school.


And Lane isn't terrible either.


I forgot about Lane but yes it is still a good school. Their issues have had to do with administration the past few years. They went about full year without a principal and never missed a beat. Finally found one and she left after her first year at the school. They are currently searching now I believe. Don't think they have found her successor.

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You have to understand the development of the two tier school system in Chicago, which with the addition of charters has actually become a three tier system. Daley and his cronies wanted to lure the wealthy back to the City. To do that you have to have good schools where they can send their kids. So these magnet schools were created and the best teachers were assigned to them along with big chunks of money. In the case of Northside Prep, Gery Chico couldn't really head up the school board and send his kid to St. Ignatius or Loyola. So that school was built and for awhile was nicknamed "Gery Chico Public High School" in my neighborhood. Anyway, blacks and Hispanics aren't stupid. They saw what was happening. So Daley threw them a bone with the creation of Local School Councils. After all, it's tougher to complain if you're running your own school. Then came the charters which is simply for profit education and Union busting. Instead of teachers getting paid, friends of Daley and Rahm like Rauner put the dough in their pockets and all on the taxpayer's dime.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
You have to understand the development of the two tier school system in Chicago, which with the addition of charters has actually become a three tier system. Daley and his cronies wanted to lure the wealthy back to the City. To do that you have to have good schools where they can send their kids. So these magnet schools were created and the best teachers were assigned to them along with big chunks of money. In the case of Northside Prep, Gery Chico couldn't really head up the school board and send his kid to St. Ignatius or Loyola. So that school was built and for awhile was nicknamed "Gery Chico Public High School" in my neighborhood. Anyway, blacks and Hispanics aren't stupid. They saw what was happening. So Daley threw them a bone with the creation of Local School Councils. After all, it's tougher to complain if you're running your own school. Then came the charters which is simply for profit education and Union busting. Instead of teachers getting paid, friends of Daley and Rahm like Rauner put the dough in their pockets and all on the taxpayer's dime.



Great info. What's your solution? Would you send your kids to a regular CPS public school?

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
You have to understand the development of the two tier school system in Chicago, which with the addition of charters has actually become a three tier system. Daley and his cronies wanted to lure the wealthy back to the City. To do that you have to have good schools where they can send their kids. So these magnet schools were created and the best teachers were assigned to them along with big chunks of money. In the case of Northside Prep, Gery Chico couldn't really head up the school board and send his kid to St. Ignatius or Loyola. So that school was built and for awhile was nicknamed "Gery Chico Public High School" in my neighborhood. Anyway, blacks and Hispanics aren't stupid. They saw what was happening. So Daley threw them a bone with the creation of Local School Councils. After all, it's tougher to complain if you're running your own school. Then came the charters which is simply for profit education and Union busting. Instead of teachers getting paid, friends of Daley and Rahm like Rauner put the dough in their pockets and all on the taxpayer's dime.



He also threw them a bone by placing Selective enrollments in black neighborhoods. King, Brooks, Westinghouse and Lindblom are housed in black neighborhoods. King is the only one housed in a neighborhood undergoing gentrification. Westinghouse is the only one that has a demographic resemblance of what you expect in a selective enrollment. None of the schools resemble academically what you get from Young, Jones, Payton and North Side.

It has provided affluent blacks an opportunity to strut their stuff and say that their child attends a selective enrollment however. In most cases that is all that seems to matter.

They have left neighborhood schools to essentially fend for themselves.

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You have to understand the development of the two tier school system in Chicago, which with the addition of charters has actually become a three tier system. Daley and his cronies wanted to lure the wealthy back to the City. To do that you have to have good schools where they can send their kids. So these magnet schools were created and the best teachers were assigned to them along with big chunks of money. In the case of Northside Prep, Gery Chico couldn't really head up the school board and send his kid to St. Ignatius or Loyola. So that school was built and for awhile was nicknamed "Gery Chico Public High School" in my neighborhood. Anyway, blacks and Hispanics aren't stupid. They saw what was happening. So Daley threw them a bone with the creation of Local School Councils. After all, it's tougher to complain if you're running your own school. Then came the charters which is simply for profit education and Union busting. Instead of teachers getting paid, friends of Daley and Rahm like Rauner put the dough in their pockets and all on the taxpayer's dime.



Great info. What's your solution? Would you send your kids to a regular CPS public school?


Probably not. If I had kids I'd likely live in Evanston.

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Though I wanted to move to Chicago when I moved back to the area, I wasn't going to deal with the nonsense of "applying" for my public school. So we moved to Oak Park. Then we decided to go to Catholic schools instead even though the academic part is way behind the Oak Park schools (most kids come from out of Oak Park - what kind of idiot pays Oak Park taxes and sends their kids to Catholic school I don't know).

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I appreciate the honesty JORR. It bothers me to see all the complaints about the "privileged" class. When it comes down to it, all good parents want the best for their kids. The last time they held a referendum to raise taxes for District 300, I went to all the meetings and ended up voting in favor of the increase. My kids have never attended the public schools. It is in everyone's best interest to have a strong public school system if for nothing else than home values. But the bigger picture is, today's kids are tomorrow's workers and taxpayers. We can either support them with government handouts or have them in productive jobs paying taxes. God knows the Social Security and Medicare schemes need those tax dollars.

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I appreciate the honesty JORR. It bothers me to see all the complaints about the "privileged" class. When it comes down to it, all good parents want the best for their kids. The last time they held a referendum to raise taxes for District 300, I went to all the meetings and ended up voting in favor of the increase. My kids have never attended the public schools. It is in everyone's best interest to have a strong public school system if for nothing else than home values. But the bigger picture is, today's kids are tomorrow's workers and taxpayers. We can either support them with government handouts or have them in productive jobs paying taxes. God knows the Social Security and Medicare schemes need those tax dollars.

I I had it to do over again, I'd never move to the South Side, that's for sure. I moved here for a couple reasons, including that I did not want my kids to grow up in a neighborhood that was 90% or more white and because the neighborhood has a good sense of community.

Fuck all that. The schools suck and housing values have gone down more here than in most areas.

Of course, it's still relatively safe, the kids are getting by, and the neighbors are nice, despite the notable lack of milfs.

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I appreciate the honesty JORR. It bothers me to see all the complaints about the "privileged" class. When it comes down to it, all good parents want the best for their kids. The last time they held a referendum to raise taxes for District 300, I went to all the meetings and ended up voting in favor of the increase. My kids have never attended the public schools. It is in everyone's best interest to have a strong public school system if for nothing else than home values. But the bigger picture is, today's kids are tomorrow's workers and taxpayers. We can either support them with government handouts or have them in productive jobs paying taxes. God knows the Social Security and Medicare schemes need those tax dollars.

I I had it to do over again, I'd never move to the South Side, that's for sure. I moved here for a couple reasons, including that I did not want my kids to grow up in a neighborhood that was 90% or more white and because the neighborhood has a good sense of community.

Fuck all that. The schools suck and housing values have gone down more here than in most areas.

Of course, it's still relatively safe, the kids are getting by, and the neighbors are nice, despite the notable lack of milfs.


So o you live in Westlawn or Scottsdale?

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I appreciate the honesty JORR. It bothers me to see all the complaints about the "privileged" class. When it comes down to it, all good parents want the best for their kids. The last time they held a referendum to raise taxes for District 300, I went to all the meetings and ended up voting in favor of the increase. My kids have never attended the public schools. It is in everyone's best interest to have a strong public school system if for nothing else than home values. But the bigger picture is, today's kids are tomorrow's workers and taxpayers. We can either support them with government handouts or have them in productive jobs paying taxes. God knows the Social Security and Medicare schemes need those tax dollars.

I I had it to do over again, I'd never move to the South Side, that's for sure. I moved here for a couple reasons, including that I did not want my kids to grow up in a neighborhood that was 90% or more white and because the neighborhood has a good sense of community.

Fuck all that. The schools suck and housing values have gone down more here than in most areas.

Of course, it's still relatively safe, the kids are getting by, and the neighbors are nice, despite the notable lack of milfs.


So o you live in Westlawn or Scottsdale?

Conns, great guess! I grew up in Scottsdale (we usually called it St. Bede). Live in Beverly now.

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I appreciate the honesty JORR. It bothers me to see all the complaints about the "privileged" class. When it comes down to it, all good parents want the best for their kids. The last time they held a referendum to raise taxes for District 300, I went to all the meetings and ended up voting in favor of the increase. My kids have never attended the public schools. It is in everyone's best interest to have a strong public school system if for nothing else than home values. But the bigger picture is, today's kids are tomorrow's workers and taxpayers. We can either support them with government handouts or have them in productive jobs paying taxes. God knows the Social Security and Medicare schemes need those tax dollars.

I I had it to do over again, I'd never move to the South Side, that's for sure. I moved here for a couple reasons, including that I did not want my kids to grow up in a neighborhood that was 90% or more white and because the neighborhood has a good sense of community.

Fuck all that. The schools suck and housing values have gone down more here than in most areas.

Of course, it's still relatively safe, the kids are getting by, and the neighbors are nice, despite the notable lack of milfs.


So o you live in Westlawn or Scottsdale?

Conns, great guess! I grew up in Scottsdale (we usually called it St. Bede). Live in Beverly now.


I am also from St. Bede. :lol:

Most of the White people in Beverly East of Western seem to be all trying to move into St. John Fisher or out of the city.

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I appreciate the honesty JORR. It bothers me to see all the complaints about the "privileged" class. When it comes down to it, all good parents want the best for their kids. The last time they held a referendum to raise taxes for District 300, I went to all the meetings and ended up voting in favor of the increase. My kids have never attended the public schools. It is in everyone's best interest to have a strong public school system if for nothing else than home values. But the bigger picture is, today's kids are tomorrow's workers and taxpayers. We can either support them with government handouts or have them in productive jobs paying taxes. God knows the Social Security and Medicare schemes need those tax dollars.

I I had it to do over again, I'd never move to the South Side, that's for sure. I moved here for a couple reasons, including that I did not want my kids to grow up in a neighborhood that was 90% or more white and because the neighborhood has a good sense of community.

Fuck all that. The schools suck and housing values have gone down more here than in most areas.

Of course, it's still relatively safe, the kids are getting by, and the neighbors are nice, despite the notable lack of milfs.


So o you live in Westlawn or Scottsdale?

Conns, great guess! I grew up in Scottsdale (we usually called it St. Bede). Live in Beverly now.


I am also from St. Bede. :lol:

Most of the White people in Beverly East of Western seem to be all trying to move into St. John Fisher or out of the city.

Hey-o! We probably know one another, if only by last name.

Beverly is still pretty white between 88th and 107th, Longwood to Western, but when I was in high school, the white area went all the way to Wood and Hale. There are weird areas (regions of a block or two) where it's either all white or all black. So much different from St. Bede's in the 70s and 80s--but similar enough, because of the parish system, for me to be able to understand the people.

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A lot of St. Bede guys went to Laurence for football in my time.

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my dad's "rich" relatives lived in Beverly. He grew up in Englewood.

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my dad's "rich" relatives lived in Beverly. He grew up in Englewood.

Yeah, there are some people with money here. Some are talented, some are well-connected, some both. Growing up a few miles away, I always considered them "rich" as well.

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A lot of St. Bede guys went to Laurence for football in my time.

Yep, for a couple decades, that was one of the pipelines....

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A lot of St. Bede guys went to Laurence for football in my time.

Yep, for a couple decades, that was one of the pipelines....


St. Bede hasn't has had a football team in six years. Most of the white people with school aged children have moved to Mt. Greenwood if they are city workers and New Lenox/Plainfield/Mokena if they are not.

There is this belief among white city workers the only place you can live on the southside is Mt. Greenwood where you pay 300k to 400k for a house that would go for 200k in oak lawn.

Which is also why there has been a big push to change the AG school into a neighborhood school since the city workers don't want to pay for Catholic High Schools or send their kids to Morgan Park. There isn't a chance in hell the city will ever allow an all white neighborhood high school in a district where the white population hovers around 9%.

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