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Preliminary reports 7 shot at least 3 dead

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Preliminary reports 7 shot at least 3 dead

Big deal. They were probably responding to reports of a man with a gun.

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Murdering innocent people makes a lot of sense to people who are mentally ill.

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Murdering innocent people makes a lot of sense to people who are mentally ill.


You know the guy to be mentally ill?

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Murdering innocent people makes a lot of sense to people who are mentally ill.


You know the guy to be mentally ill?


I assume that anyone who decides to murder innocent people isn't working with a full deck. The guy in Dallas was clearly suffering from some mental illness.

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Nas wrote:
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Murdering innocent people makes a lot of sense to people who are mentally ill.


You know the guy to be mentally ill?


I assume that anyone who decides to murder innocent people isn't working with a full deck. The guy in Dallas was clearly suffering from some mental illness.


That can't be the go to whenever someone commits one of these acts.

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Witnesses now telling cops there were 3 shooters.

3 mentally ill people ? Maybe they escaped from an asylum

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There were 4 in Dallas

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Witnesses now telling cops there were 3 shooters.


There were 4 in Dallas


And the San Bernadino shootings were originally carried out by 3 well-armed white assailants.

But isn't Baton Rouge the city where the FBI arrested a group of black guys for stealing handguns for the purposes of carrying out a Dallas-like attack on police officers?


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There were 4 in Dallas


And the San Bernadino shootings were originally carried out by 3 well-armed white assailants.

But isn't Baton Rouge the city where the FBI arrested a group of black guys for stealing handguns for the purposes of carrying out a Dallas-like attack on police officers?


I believe so. Either a couple of days before or after the Dallas shooting.

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Nas wrote:
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Witnesses now telling cops there were 3 shooters.


There were 4 in Dallas


Confusing that professinal law enforcement would initially report "triangulation" and multiple shooters in Dallas and then end up with a single lone gunman.

Consider that the Columbine shooters, 2 of em, only tagged 33 with 12 kills, against large groups of unarmed civilians.

A lone gunmen in Dallas, operating against trained LE, scored 12 hits and 5 kills, in a far more compressed time-frame, against armed targets who were wearing body armor.

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Hussra wrote:
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Witnesses now telling cops there were 3 shooters.


There were 4 in Dallas


Confusing that professinal law enforcement would report "triangulation" and multiple shooters in Dallas and then end up with a single lone gunman.

Consider that the Columbine shooters, 2 of em, only tagged 21 with 12 kills, against large groups of unarmed civilians.

A lone gunmen in Dallas, operating against trained LE, scored 12 hits and 5 kills, in a far more compressed time-frame, against armed targets who were wearing body armor.

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You can put your conspiracy hat on for that. For a guy that didn't see any action in Afghanistan and "trained" in his backyard he looked like a Navy Seal or something on the video I've seen. I find it hard to believe that he acted alone.

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Gov. of LA. Made cop killing a hate crime in May.

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Gov. of LA. Made cop killing a hate crime in May.

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Maybe now society will be forced into understanding exactly how unconstitutional hate crime laws are.


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I don't know that I agree with Nas, but I certainly don't think it's absurd to say that most who carry out pre-meditated murder are mentally ill. The only problem with that would be if it was used as an excuse. They still did an awful thing and need to face the same consequences as anyone else would, regardless of mental state.

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BLM people probably have good intensions, but they are pushing the idea that the cops are randomly killing black men. And it simply is not true based on the data. The police are much more likely to be killed by a black man than vice versa based on statistics.

The media has to quit pushing this idea that the police are killing black man at random. It's not true, and it's having terrible consequences.

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I don't know that I agree with Nas, but I certainly don't think it's absurd to say that most who carry out pre-meditated murder are mentally ill. The only problem with that would be if it was used as an excuse. They still did an awful thing and need to face the same consequences as anyone else would, regardless of mental state.


It's not absurd to suggest it but it is presumptuous to suggest it without knowing anything other than some guy decides to go around shooting cops.

I also think it is presumptuous to suggest that it is a domestic act of terrorism, as a guy from the Fraternal Order of Police called it.

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BLM people probably have good intensions, but they are pushing the idea that the cops are randomly killing black men. And it simply is not true based on the data. The police are much more likely to be killed by a black man than vice versa based on statistics.

The media has to quit pushing this idea that the police are killing black man at random. It's not true, and it's having terrible consequences.


I agree.

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BLM people probably have good intensions, but they are pushing the idea that the cops are randomly killing black men. And it simply is not true based on the data. The police are much more likely to be killed by a black man than vice versa based on statistics.

The media has to quit pushing this idea that the police are killing black man at random. It's not true, and it's having terrible consequences.



from what i understand from listening to their message, there's more to it than killing. it's the default hostile character of the interaction when the police engage black males vs the rest of the population.


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I don't know that I agree with Nas, but I certainly don't think it's absurd to say that most who carry out pre-meditated murder are mentally ill. The only problem with that would be if it was used as an excuse. They still did an awful thing and need to face the same consequences as anyone else would, regardless of mental state.


It's not absurd to suggest it but it is presumptuous to suggest it without knowing anything other than some guy decides to go around shooting cops.

I also think it is presumptuous to suggest that it is a domestic act of terrorism, as a guy from the Fraternal Order of Police called it.


I agree that it would be presumptuous to assume it for an individual... however, I think some subscribe to the belief that anyone who murders on purpose is mentally ill.

Ultimately, I think it may be semantics. Our definition of "mentally ill" seems to keep growing by the day. Regardless, the murderers are certainly outliers. I assume most properly socialized Americans would not conduct pre-meditated murder.

It's an extremely complex issue with many tentacles. Sociology plays a large part as well. I just think that, ultimately, no matter what state they are in, there has to be consequences. Using it as an excuse or justification is where it starts to get dangerous.

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I don't know that I agree with Nas, but I certainly don't think it's absurd to say that most who carry out pre-meditated murder are mentally ill. The only problem with that would be if it was used as an excuse. They still did an awful thing and need to face the same consequences as anyone else would, regardless of mental state.


It's not absurd to suggest it but it is presumptuous to suggest it without knowing anything other than some guy decides to go around shooting cops.

I also think it is presumptuous to suggest that it is a domestic act of terrorism, as a guy from the Fraternal Order of Police called it.


I agree that it would be presumptuous to assume it for an individual... however, I think some subscribe to the belief that anyone who murders on purpose is mentally ill.

Ultimately, I think it may be semantics. Our definition of "mentally ill" seems to keep growing by the day. Regardless, the murderers are certainly outliers. I assume most properly socialized Americans would not conduct pre-meditated murder.

It's an extremely complex issue with many tentacles. Sociology plays a large part as well. I just think that, ultimately, no matter what state they are in, there has to be consequences. Using it as an excuse or justification is where it starts to get dangerous.



I agree. Mental illness should not be used to absolve people whenever they commit heinous acts. I also agree that it should be viewed as an outlier. Mental illness in of itself is a generalization too. Not all forms of mental illness involves violence. He could be mentally ill yet not be prone to commit violence.

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Correct. MANY of us could probably be categorized as "mentally ill." Actually, probably everyone here.

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BLM people probably have good intensions, but they are pushing the idea that the cops are randomly killing black men. And it simply is not true based on the data. The police are much more likely to be killed by a black man than vice versa based on statistics.

The media has to quit pushing this idea that the police are killing black man at random. It's not true, and it's having terrible consequences.



from what i understand from listening to their message, there's more to it than killing. it's the default hostile character of the interaction when the police engage black males vs the rest of the population.


They do not have a coherent message. And if you look at the police shooting stats there are plenty of white people shot as well. I don't believe that the cops nationwide want to randomly kill black people. It appears that many believe that there is an open war out there, and that belief needs to stop.

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BLM people probably have good intensions, but they are pushing the idea that the cops are randomly killing black men. And it simply is not true based on the data. The police are much more likely to be killed by a black man than vice versa based on statistics.

The media has to quit pushing this idea that the police are killing black man at random. It's not true, and it's having terrible consequences.



from what i understand from listening to their message, there's more to it than killing. it's the default hostile character of the interaction when the police engage black males vs the rest of the population.


They do not have a coherent message. And if you look at the police shooting stats there are plenty of white people shot as well. I don't believe that the cops nationwide want to randomly kill black people. It appears that many believe that there is an open war out there, and that belief needs to stop.


If the information about Soros involvement is accurate, then expect the all out verbal assault on police from Black Lives Matter to continue.

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BATON ROUGE, La. -- The deceased suspect in the deadly shooting of Baton Rouge law enforcement officers appeared to have attacked police on his 29th birthday, CBS News has learned.

The suspect has been identified as a black male named Gavin Eugene Long of Kansas City, Missouri, sources tell CBS News. He was born on July 17, 1987.

One suspect was killed and two others might still be at large, Casey Rayborn Hicks, a spokeswoman for the East Baton Rouge Sheriff's Office, previously said. However, Louisiana state police said Sunday afternoon there is "no active shooter" in Baton Rouge.

The Baton Rouge Advocate reported that two other men were picked up across the Mississippi River in Addis and were being questioned by police as "persons of interest."


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