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Schwarber for any relief pitching is ridiculous. End of story.





Schwarber for Mariano Rivera?

I never would trade a player with Schwarbers upside for a relief pitcher. Especially when the kid has 86 days of MLB service time. Not today not ever.


Agreed. I would take a Chris Sale though.

Agree. Starters are a different deal.
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I wouldn't trade Schwarber straight up for a Chapman rental.

I would consider a deal for Andrew Miller. The Yankees value Schwarber highly, as they should. He would be their DH and that porch would be extremely attractive to him.

Schwarber could be their Big Papi. They should give the Cubs two of their titles for him.

Good for them. He could never be the Cubs' Big Papi.

I'm sure he will be a decent to great hitter throughout his career. But there just isn't an obvious spot for him on this team. You know what would be welcome? Some support for Rondon / Strop / Edwards / Wood.

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Schwarber for any relief pitching is ridiculous. End of story.



Schwarber for Mariano Rivera?

I never would trade a player with Schwarbers upside for a relief pitcher. Especially when the kid has 86 days of MLB service time. Not today not ever.

And you wouldn't have traded Corey Patterson for Trevor Hoffman.

The Cubs are trying to win a World Series. The Cubs are a .609 team without him this season. He does not play a position of need for the Cubs. In fact, you can argue he doesn't play a position that exists in the National League.

Kyle Schwarber should not be untouchable. He should be a very valuable piece that could be moved in a trade where the Cubs receive equal value back...in positions that are more important for the near future. Back end of the bullpen is one of those needs.

I said no. Not for any reliever. No. Not Rivera and not Hoffman. Not for untapped talent under my control for four years or more.
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You make Cubs fans sound silly.

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IMU wrote:
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I wouldn't trade Schwarber straight up for a Chapman rental.

I would consider a deal for Andrew Miller. The Yankees value Schwarber highly, as they should. He would be their DH and that porch would be extremely attractive to him.

Schwarber could be their Big Papi. They should give the Cubs two of their titles for him.

Good for them. He could never be the Cubs' Big Papi.

I'm sure he will be a decent to great hitter throughout his career. But there just isn't an obvious spot for him on this team. You know what would be welcome? Some support for Rondon / Strop / Edwards / Wood.

You do not have to give up your best pure hitter for a dream chasing bullpen quick fix. Strop blows at every phase of relief anyway so trade his cock hat ass for anybody that wants him.
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Trading Schwarber for a reliever would be a disaster.

You use a chip like that for something FAR SUPERIOR.
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IMU wrote:
You make Cubs fans sound silly.

Quit editing posts douche. You know what I am talking about purple boy.
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You do not have to give up your best pure hitter

How was this determined?

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I'm sure he will be a decent to great hitter throughout his career. But there just isn't an obvious spot for him on this team. You know what would be welcome? Some support for Rondon / Strop / Edwards / Wood.

Your post shows SOLID to excellent can be found for cheap.

None of those were acquired in exchange of significant value.


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Scooter wrote:
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You make Cubs fans sound silly.

Quit editing posts douche. You know what I am talking about purple boy.

What?

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I'm sure he will be a decent to great hitter throughout his career. But there just isn't an obvious spot for him on this team. You know what would be welcome? Some support for Rondon / Strop / Edwards / Wood.

Your post shows SOLID to excellent can be found for cheap.

None of those were acquired in exchange of significant value.

And none of those were acquired this year, or even last year, or even the year before.

The Cubs are trying to win in 2016. Who cares about the next CJ Edwards move...or the next Rule 5 pick.

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IMU wrote:
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You make Cubs fans sound silly.

Quit editing posts douche. You know what I am talking about purple boy.

What?

Now that I have your attention you do not trade Schwarber for relief pitching. Understand?
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Ask Billy Beane

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Scooter wrote:
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You make Cubs fans sound silly.

Quit editing posts douche. You know what I am talking about purple boy.

What?

Now that I have your attention you do not trade Schwarber for relief pitching. Understand?

You wouldn't.

Reasonable brass would.

Value for value.

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IMU wrote:
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Schwarber for any relief pitching is ridiculous. End of story.



Schwarber for Mariano Rivera?

I never would trade a player with Schwarbers upside for a relief pitcher. Especially when the kid has 86 days of MLB service time. Not today not ever.

And you wouldn't have traded Corey Patterson for Trevor Hoffman.

The Cubs are trying to win a World Series. The Cubs are a .609 team without him this season. He does not play a position of need for the Cubs. In fact, you can argue he doesn't play a position that exists in the National League.

Kyle Schwarber should not be untouchable. He should be a very valuable piece that could be moved in a trade where the Cubs receive equal value back...in positions that are more important for the near future. Back end of the bullpen is one of those needs.


I find myself to be in agreement with IMU very often lately

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good dolphin wrote:
IMU wrote:
Scooter wrote:
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Schwarber for any relief pitching is ridiculous. End of story.



Schwarber for Mariano Rivera?

I never would trade a player with Schwarbers upside for a relief pitcher. Especially when the kid has 86 days of MLB service time. Not today not ever.

And you wouldn't have traded Corey Patterson for Trevor Hoffman.

The Cubs are trying to win a World Series. The Cubs are a .609 team without him this season. He does not play a position of need for the Cubs. In fact, you can argue he doesn't play a position that exists in the National League.

Kyle Schwarber should not be untouchable. He should be a very valuable piece that could be moved in a trade where the Cubs receive equal value back...in positions that are more important for the near future. Back end of the bullpen is one of those needs.


I find myself to be in agreement with IMU very often lately

So you enjoy being wrong?
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Trading Schwarber for a reliever would be a disaster.

You use a chip like that for something FAR SUPERIOR.


Agreed

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Colonel Angus wrote:
Schwarber could be their Big Papi.


yeah but don't they have their top prospect aaron judge in that "big lug who can be 1B/DH after teixeira fucks off" role?

i was thinking about how schwarber for miller would make sense for both sides involved, problem is that whole "the big dummy done gone and blew out his ACL" thing. but hey maybe you can just stick aaron judge in left and jump on schwarber b4 he can come back and prove to be a 40HR masher and therefore he's on the "cheap" cuz no way is even a great reliever worth a big 30-40HR mashing DH, right?

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Nas wrote:
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Trading Schwarber for a reliever would be a disaster.

You use a chip like that for something FAR SUPERIOR.


Agreed


So you agree that The Plan is to compete

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Nas wrote:
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Schwarber for any relief pitching is ridiculous. End of story.





Schwarber for Mariano Rivera?

I never would trade a player with Schwarbers upside for a relief pitcher. Especially when the kid has 86 days of MLB service time. Not today not ever.


Agreed. I would take a Chris Sale though.



I think Scwarber would be the start of the package, not the only thing.
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Cashman wrote:
Nas wrote:
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312player wrote:
Scooter wrote:
Schwarber for any relief pitching is ridiculous. End of story.





Schwarber for Mariano Rivera?

I never would trade a player with Schwarbers upside for a relief pitcher. Especially when the kid has 86 days of MLB service time. Not today not ever.


Agreed. I would take a Chris Sale though.



I think Scwarber would be the start of the package, not the only thing.


Of course. I'm not trading Sale for Scwarber. I would damn near want your entire minor league system for Sale.

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Trading Schwarber for a reliever would be a disaster.

You use a chip like that for something FAR SUPERIOR.


Agreed


So you agree that The Plan is to compete


I don't think it's trying to win for 1 year. You don't trade a young power bat for a relief pitcher.

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Schwarber is a main piece for a guy like Sonny Gray or Chris Archer.
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Nas wrote:
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Nas wrote:
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Trading Schwarber for a reliever would be a disaster.

You use a chip like that for something FAR SUPERIOR.


Agreed


So you agree that The Plan is to compete


I don't think it's trying to win for 1 year. You don't trade a young power bat for a relief pitcher.



I get big picture, but I would trade him for Chapman and Miller. I don't think the Cubs will have a position for him, and winning a World Series would be a big thing.
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Nas wrote:
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Nas wrote:
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Trading Schwarber for a reliever would be a disaster.

You use a chip like that for something FAR SUPERIOR.


Agreed


So you agree that The Plan is to compete


I don't think it's trying to win for 1 year. You don't trade a young power bat for a relief pitcher.


right, "just a relief pitcher"

the window is open to win a world series and you are still in save for the future mode

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[I would trade him for Chapman and Miller. .


of course you would. So would anybody but the Yankees. I don't want to single you out because I have seen this type of talk bandied about by several Cub fans.

You are both overvaluing Schwarber and undervaluing the other two

That's ok. The Cubs can sit there with their competitive prospects while some other GM makes the championship move. Then you can do the same again next year.

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You don't use Schwarber for relievers.
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[I would trade him for Chapman and Miller. .


of course you would. So would anybody but the Yankees. I don't want to single you out because I have seen this type of talk bandied about by several Cub fans.

You are both overvaluing Schwarber and undervaluing the other two

That's ok. The Cubs can sit there with their competitive prospects while some other GM makes the championship move. Then you can do the same again next year.


The Cubs have other prospects to trade.

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You don't use Schwarber for relievers.


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