Agreed.

I have actually been impressed with all of Trumps kids.

This has been quite the show.

I thought Pence handled himself pretty well in his speech.

Can't wait to see Trump in the spotlight tonight.

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I think the debates will be the most entertaining piece leading up to election night.

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Honestly I'm having a hard time not envisioning them as so-called 'squash matches' ... dicking around with dopes like Carson, JEB!, and Cruz, as we've seen, clearly takes no particular level of talent or ability ... how that suggests that he's even remotely prepared to not get chewed up by the teeth of the machine he's getting ready to stand very close to is, frankly, well beyond my ability to suspend disbelief at the moment.

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Absolutely. That will be appointment TV.

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"He is a loathsome, offensive brute
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I don't see how Trump will lose the debates from the perspective of the public at large. He doesn't acknowledge the rules and he will figure out how to create a moment where it's like he's playing the dozens on her and the crowd is going "OOOOOOOH!" And regardless of how it plays out, the media outside of Fox will spin it into a win for Clinton. But the sound bites are likely to be Trump's. If there is going to be a "Where's the beef?" moment it won't be coming from Clinton.

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I think that is a pretty good read on them. I have to think Clinton is absolutely dreading the debates. That is not her strong point. She struggled with Bernie in debates. Trump is a whole different animal. He will excel in the moment. They could be the push he needs in the swing states to win the whole thing.

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"He is a loathsome, offensive brute
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JORR story.

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You know me like that.

A disjointed, largely inappropriate Pixar movie. of

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On policy I think she will murder Trump in the debates. She held back on Bernie. I think Trump wins on style and style may be all the public cares about.

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GO BEARS!!!

That was my point. How could Trump win on policy? He has none besides "Make America Great Again".

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Tough to prepare for someone who doesn't play by conventional rules, and who isn't help to the same standard by the media and public.

Forget Fox. They already have the right wing vote locked up. It is CNN that is legitimizing him. They give him endless coverage. I consume a lot of media, and it seems like he has 90% of the air time to Clinton's meager 10%.

People hate Clinton so much that they just have to convince themselves that it is ok to vote for Trump. I had a conversation with a friend about a month ago. I don't think he usually votes, and we have never talked politics. He starts the conversation about how much he dislikes Trump, but that he is about 80% right. By the time we were done talking, he was trying to sell me on voting for Trump. "I mean look at all these attacks by Muslims. Trump is onto something." I've literally had five conversations with family and friends where they are trying to guilt me into voting for Trump either to prevent Clinton from getting in or because of fear of immigration.

I don't have a political family at all. It's all people talk about at parties anymore.

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Hillary Clinton will not have to handle Trump with kit gloves because she really won't be seeking the Trump vote. She has hammered Trump on the stump in a way that she never did with Sanders and Obama.

Trump and his campaign devoid of substance isn't really resonating outside of working class white guys. His own party doesn't support him. His path to victory ended once the email stuff proved to be frivolous.

She destroys him in a debate. As long as she and the moderators hold him accountable for the stupid shit that he says.

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Christie killed Clinton on policy two days ago in his mock trial. What does Hillary have to stand on as far as her own policy history, except failures?

The only thing Hillary has to stand on is her gender, when she's the poster child for wife enablers of cheating husbands.

I think Clinton will beat Trump soundly in the debates. His fulminations are more effective in a larger group setting--such as most of the Republican forums--than they will prove in a one-on-one setting where his opponent will be able to thoroughly cross-examine him and expose his ignorance on most issues. That said, it's quite possible that the public will still view Trump as the victor.

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Obviously if the debates are based on policy Hillary would win them. But they aren't.

Hillary will be fine on policy in the debates and still lose them to Trump.

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"He is a loathsome, offensive brute
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Actually, if Trump hammers Clinton on trade and defines her as a member of the transnational elite who is loyal to corporate interests rather than her country,he could do quite well. But he'd actually need to prepare to execute that argument.

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And what exactly will Trump be able to stand on? Numerous bankruptcies and a rigged financial system that has allowed him to keep his cash.

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I wouldn't be so sure of that. Hillary can be just as mean and aggressive as Trump.

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This is why I don't think the polling data holds up with regard to Trump and why Nate Silver's world is collapsing. A friend of mine was just telling me he doesn't like Trump but he's going to vote for him because he hates Clinton. And then he said, he would never say that to a pollster because it's too embarrassing.

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Guess we will see. Get your popcorn ready.

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"He is a loathsome, offensive brute
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He answered that line of attack numerous times in the Republican debates. "I use the laws to my advantage."


Trump will make the case that he knows how to negotiate better deals than anyone else. Given all the noise about how he hard-balled paying small contractors, I actually believe he is good at a game of chicken.

The country doesn't need more confrontation with China/Russia or internally with Congress. It needs compromise and healing. Trump can't do that.

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As Chus said earlier this week- remote in one hand and yourself in the other.

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You should be right, but Hillary went one-on-one with Bernie and had to have the media rescue her from Bernie raising his finger to the moderators and not letting her cut him off. If she gets the Trump Treatment and the media does the same act, it could make her look pretty pathetic.



Nigel Farage all over again.

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Yeah I know people like this as well.

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"He is a loathsome, offensive brute
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The "Why do you hate math?" people from 2008 and 2012 sure are quiet now.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

One thing Trump can't do obviously in a debate is to appear to be roughing up or beating up Clinton. What I suspect he will do because he is the way he is is he will smile right in her face and actually call her a liar and all those variants. I do not think other than softening some optics he cares one lick about political debate decorum.

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Elections have consequences.

He touts the fact that he uses the laws to his advantage yet he consistently bemoans the fact that the system is rigged. He has no problem with it being rigged as long as it benefits guys like him apparently.

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But a lot of people who hate Hillary are going to vote for her anyway (not me, though) because they hate Trump even more.

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Valid points, but people haven't died because of his actions. Just like with Bush, Hillary lied and people died or vice versa.

Regardless of how he achieved his success, Trump will have an edge talking about economic and military policy. He's said the right things so far being against globalism, against the out-of-control national debt and trade deficits, and for punishing companies that ship their jobs overseas. On military and foreign policy, he wins points for being against the Iraq war, when Hillary was for it, and for leaving Iraq and not having a plan to control it, which allowed Isis to grow.

But I disagree with Trump on building the military back up. You have the likes of Russia, China and even North Korea, saber-rattling, and you want to stoke the flames more by expanding the military? No, Noam Chomsky was right on this point and on the prospect of nuclear war. You don't make the world more safe by creating more weapons. Gingrich totally wrong on this point too, a stronger military does not bring peace in the current geopolitical climate. It will only bring war.

yes on the first thought, maybe on the second thought but again, it doesn't matter. Hillary is already picking out the paint colors for some bedrooms. Trump only wins if Hillary announces her support for Hitler.

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