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Who will it be?
Trump 24%  24%  [ 10 ]
Clinton 27%  27%  [ 11 ]
Stein 12%  12%  [ 5 ]
Johnson 24%  24%  [ 10 ]
Other 12%  12%  [ 5 ]
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I plan on writing in President Elizabeth Warren in all three states I'm registered to vote in.


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I've voted 8n every election since my 18th. I can't in good conscious vote for either of these bozos.
I'd prefer to not vote for president. However... to those of us in illinois... your vote doesn't fucking matter anyway.

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in that case, use your vote to help keep 3rd parties viable:

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voting for third-party presidential candidates will help third parties reach the critical threshold of 5% of the popular vote — at which point they will qualify for public campaign funding assistance.


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I've voted 8n every election since my 18th. I can't in good conscious vote for either of these bozos.
I'd prefer to not vote for president. However... to those of us in illinois... your vote doesn't fucking matter anyway.

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I've voted 8n every election since my 18th. I can't in good conscious vote for either of these bozos.
I'd prefer to not vote for president. However... to those of us in illinois... your vote doesn't fucking matter anyway.

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I've voted 8n every election since my 18th. I can't in good conscious vote for either of these bozos.
I'd prefer to not vote for president. However... to those of us in illinois... your vote doesn't fucking matter anyway.

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However... to those of us in illinois... your vote doesn't fucking matter anyway.

I've never voted until this primary. My wife was shocked, but this is the reason why -- it doesn't matter what you vote since the state is going to vote for Clinton.

That being said, I probably should have voted for local people.

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I'm loving seeing my guy Gary Johnson leading this so far. We need to kill the two party system. I feel like I was close to getting Leash on board yesterday.

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I'm loving seeing my guy Gary Johnson leading this so far. We need to kill the two party system. I feel like I was close to getting Leash on board yesterday.


For a third party? I've always been on board for that. My third party just wouldn't be a Libertarian candidate, though I don't rule out voting for him this year. I don't align enough with the Green Party to vote Stein.

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I have been voting since Nixon.....but since both parties have insulted my intelligence I will not vote for President. A vote for either Stein or Johnson is like a not voting at all....meaningless. The part I hate most is those who endorse the loser bitching about the winner for 4 fucking years :(

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I have been voting since Nixon.....but since both parties have insulted my intelligence I will not vote for President. A vote for either Stein or Johnson is like a not voting at all....meaningless. The part I hate most is those who endorse the loser bitching about the winner for 4 fucking years :(



3rd parties have long played the role of early/earliest adopters and pioneers in the nation's political conversation. e.g., Libertarian Party's national platform supported the legalization of marijuana as far back as 1988.

Look at the various reforms that happened in the first half of the last century: they were all bullet points from the Progressive Party's platform.

The Progressive Party was in effect an amalgamation of all the minor 3rd parties that sprung up in the late 19th century, mostly in the midwest. People's Party, Farmer-Labor Party, etc. These late 19th century Midwestern political movements, of course, inspired the Wizard of Oz. Silver slippers on a road of Gold leading to East Coast bankers/wizards, all metaphors for the currency dispute at the heart of many political beefs at the time.

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The Progressive Party's 1912 platform called for

Strict limits and disclosure requirements on political campaign contributions
Registration of lobbyists
Recording and publication of Congressional committee proceedings
In the social sphere the platform called for

A National Health Service to include all existing government medical agencies.
Social insurance, to provide for the elderly, the unemployed, and the disabled
Limited the ability of judges to order injunctions to limit labor strikes.
A minimum wage law for women
An eight-hour workday
A federal securities commission
Farm relief
Workers' compensation for work-related injuries
An inheritance tax
The political reforms proposed included

Women's suffrage
Direct election of Senators
Primary elections for state and federal nominations
The platform also urged states to adopt measures for "direct democracy", including:

The recall election (citizens may remove an elected official before the end of his term)
The referendum (citizens may decide on a law by popular vote)
The initiative (citizens may propose a law by petition and enact it by popular vote)
Judicial recall (when a court declares a law unconstitutional, the citizens may override that ruling by popular vote).[11]
Besides these measures, the platform called for reductions in the tariff, and limitations on naval armaments by international agreement.

The biggest controversy at the convention was over the platform section dealing with trusts and monopolies. The convention approved a strong "trust-busting" plank, but Perkins had it replaced with language that spoke only of "strong National regulation" and "permanent active [Federal] supervision" of major corporations. This retreat shocked reformers like Pinchot, who blamed it on Perkins. The result was a deep split in the new party that was never resolved.[12]

In general the platform expressed Roosevelt's "New Nationalism", An extension of his earlier philosophy of the Square Deal. He called for new restraints on the power of federal and state judges along with a strong executive to regulate industry, protect the working classes, and carry on great national projects. This New Nationalism was paternalistic, in direct contrast to Wilson's individualistic philosophy of "New Freedom". However one selected, Wilson's actual program resembled Roosevelt's ideas, apart from the notion of reining in judges.[13]

Roosevelt also favored a vigorous foreign policy, including strong military power. Though the platform called for limiting naval armaments, it also recommended the construction of two new battleships per year, much to the distress of outright pacifists such as Jane Addams.[14]


Green Party and Libertarian Party consolidated ranks, they could make some real noise.


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Walt Williams Neck wrote:
I have been voting since Nixon.....but since both parties have insulted my intelligence I will not vote for President. A vote for either Stein or Johnson is like a not voting at all....meaningless. The part I hate most is those who endorse the loser bitching about the winner for 4 fucking years :(



3rd parties have long played the role of early/earliest adopters and pioneers in the nation's political conversation. e.g., Libertarian Party's national platform supported the legalization of marijuana as far back as 1988.

Look at the various reforms that happened in the first half of the last century: they were all bullet points from the Progressive Party's platform.

The Progressive Party was in effect an amalgamation of all the minor 3rd parties that sprung up in the late 19th century, mostly in the midwest. People's Party, Farmer-Labor Party, etc. These late 19th century Midwestern political movements, of course, inspired the Wizard of Oz. Silver slippers on a road of Gold leading to East Coast bankers/wizards, all metaphors for the currency dispute at the heart of many political beefs at the time.

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The Progressive Party's 1912 platform called for

Strict limits and disclosure requirements on political campaign contributions
Registration of lobbyists
Recording and publication of Congressional committee proceedings
In the social sphere the platform called for

A National Health Service to include all existing government medical agencies.
Social insurance, to provide for the elderly, the unemployed, and the disabled
Limited the ability of judges to order injunctions to limit labor strikes.
A minimum wage law for women
An eight-hour workday
A federal securities commission
Farm relief
Workers' compensation for work-related injuries
An inheritance tax
The political reforms proposed included

Women's suffrage
Direct election of Senators
Primary elections for state and federal nominations
The platform also urged states to adopt measures for "direct democracy", including:

The recall election (citizens may remove an elected official before the end of his term)
The referendum (citizens may decide on a law by popular vote)
The initiative (citizens may propose a law by petition and enact it by popular vote)
Judicial recall (when a court declares a law unconstitutional, the citizens may override that ruling by popular vote).[11]
Besides these measures, the platform called for reductions in the tariff, and limitations on naval armaments by international agreement.

The biggest controversy at the convention was over the platform section dealing with trusts and monopolies. The convention approved a strong "trust-busting" plank, but Perkins had it replaced with language that spoke only of "strong National regulation" and "permanent active [Federal] supervision" of major corporations. This retreat shocked reformers like Pinchot, who blamed it on Perkins. The result was a deep split in the new party that was never resolved.[12]

In general the platform expressed Roosevelt's "New Nationalism", An extension of his earlier philosophy of the Square Deal. He called for new restraints on the power of federal and state judges along with a strong executive to regulate industry, protect the working classes, and carry on great national projects. This New Nationalism was paternalistic, in direct contrast to Wilson's individualistic philosophy of "New Freedom". However one selected, Wilson's actual program resembled Roosevelt's ideas, apart from the notion of reining in judges.[13]

Roosevelt also favored a vigorous foreign policy, including strong military power. Though the platform called for limiting naval armaments, it also recommended the construction of two new battleships per year, much to the distress of outright pacifists such as Jane Addams.[14]


Green Party and Libertarian Party consolidated ranks, they could make some real noise.

Hello....it's 2016

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Green Party and Libertarian Party consolidated ranks, they could make some real noise.

Might not be as hard as it looks on paper considering folks on both sides tend to go in for pseudoscience as-seen-on-TV woo-woo bullshit. Call 'em the Supplement Party.

But I think we need to (and will) end up with a breakdown roughly similar to Canada's NDP-Liberal-Tory alignment, with social democrats, doves, and rural progressives forming a new populist party. The Democrats will be a pro-corporate, pro-war cult of personality for nice polite professionals, and the Republicans will be whatever right-wing nuts are still standing after the last of the big money goes to the Dems.

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Much as I dislike her, this is why I feel I must vote for Hillary.

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Let's be honest: Donald Trump is the worst presidential candidate since Mitt Romney.

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