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Is there a fan base in more denial than Sox fans. You think the Sox have been attempting to compete the last 3 years? They fill the roster with mediocre talent by doing busy work in the offseason making trades for mediocre players and signing mediocre free agents. The fans think they are building a major league roster to compete, but they are really just building a roster to keep ticket sales just good enough not hurt and not good enough so they have to pay the state money.

The Sox are not trying to win anything. Why people believe otherwise in the face of evidence to the contrary, I do not know. Ventura? LaRoche? Frazier? Whatever that loser from Oakland's name is? You think they were trying to win?!?!?

You don't try to win and continuously end up with one of the worst records in baseball. They don't care, but Sox fans just keep lying to themselves. Still blinded by 2005. Had Kenny not lucked into that roster, maybe the fans could see them for what they are. Con men.

Yeah, this is stupid. By your logic, every team that has been bad for more than one season in a row is purposely trying to lose. They clearly are *trying* to compete. Rick, Kenny, and whoever else are just lousy at their jobs.

Denial.

There is not a damned thing wrong with people who are bull shitters.

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It's not denial. There's no lack of criticism coming from the Sox fan base toward the front office. What you wrote is just patently stupid.

Sure, mathematically. But that's a shitty attempt at a "gotcha". It's clear to anyone who's paying attention that they are not going to make the playoffs, or even come close. As I said, they attempted to compete this year and failed.

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It's not a difficult difference to grasp. I believe it's ok to tank the last 70 games of the season if you are out of the race. I would not be happy if they tore everything down so far that they publicly admitted the Sox wouldn't be competitive for the next 2-3 seasons.

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But they're not out of the race. Not even close. So who decides when it's okay to start tanking, from an ethical perspective?

I don't really think it's an ethical situation as much as a practical one. If the Sox tried to do what the Cubs did there would be almost no one at the ballpark. Now, I guess Reinsdorf's lease makes such a thing doable in the same way the specialness of Wrigley made it doable for the Cubs. But hell, twenty years later, fucking Sox fans still whine about the "White Flag" trade. That didn't make me mad at the time. I agreed with Reinsdorf that they were never gonna catch Cleveland. Plus, you see that the Sox aren't gonna catch a break from the media. They tank, it's "White Flag". The Cubs tank, it's a necessary act of sheer genius.

Laurence Holmes is a fucking weirdo, a nerd in denial, and a wannabe. Not a very good radio host either.

It would be comparable if the sox now tanked for 3 straight years like the cubs did after trying to compete and failing to do so. If they get new gm who does that then we can talk about this subject.

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Yeah, this is stupid. By your logic, every team that has been bad for more than one season in a row is purposely trying to lose. They clearly are *trying* to compete. Rick, Kenny, and whoever else are just lousy at their jobs.

So, what is an acceptable amount of "tanking"?

Going into the season not wanting to win? 1 year at most with a plan to compete the next year.

Selling at the deadline when it doesn't work out in a given year is fine though.

I mean, it has worked out pretty well for the Cubs, though a lot of that is just them finally spending like a big market team, but plenty of teams do one year rebuilds too.

Laurence Holmes is a fucking weirdo, a nerd in denial, and a wannabe. Not a very good radio host either.

But they're not out of the race. Not even close.

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Trading pieces now to build for next year is not even remotely similar to what the Cubs did. Besides the Sox have "tried" to win for the last few years and failed, so why not try something different.

That's not trying something different.

No one other than Quintana/Sale/Eaton will yield a player that'll build for next year.

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The Sox are 46-50. 10 game back in the divsion, and 7 games back of the Wild Card with 5 teams in front of them. Since their hot start over the first 33 games, they are 23-40.

I know you are used to following losing Cubs teams, but the Sox are out of it. Trading pieces now to build for next year is not even remotely similar to what the Cubs did. Besides the Sox have "tried" to win for the last few years and failed, so why not try something different.

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The fact that the President of baseball operations said that "every season is sacred"

And then he went out to the intention of losing for at least 2, probably 3 seasons in a row.


Kirkwood, you are not a GM so you dont know diddley.

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Think of it like going to college. You're poor for 4 years. But long term...you're likely to be in a much better position.

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